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L.C.
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   Posted: 11/21/2024 7:08:41 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
We are very one deminsional. But it’s the best demension we have and kudos to the staff for playing to our strengths.

Exactly. Ohio is not an offensive powerhouse, but they do have some strengths, notably Navarro's mobility, and Tyus is a very good running back. Ohio has done of good job of leveraging those strengths into enough points to win convincingly when combined with the best defense in the MAC.

Next up will be Ball State, the protypical opposite of Ohio. Ohio wins with defense and a solid running game. Ball State attempts to win via MACtion, and leads the conference in Offense, Scoring, and Passing.

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   Posted: 11/21/2024 9:01:34 AM 
I always enjoy reading thru the game threads, so many end up looking like fools but just keep coming back for more.

3rd year in a row that Tim Albin and crew have gotten this team improving throughout the year and overall exceeding expectations after significant turnover. So impressed with the defense, and just enough playmakers on offense to get it done. A win Friday takes us to 20-4 in the MAC in this 3 year run, have we ever done better than that?

Anxiously awaiting Coleman Owen injury update. In the meantime hats off to Caleb Gossett on a great game. Seems like a great weapon, almost a TE/WR combo who can run good routes, block or make great catches like we saw last night.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 9:09:10 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I always enjoy reading thru the game threads, so many end up looking like fools but just keep coming back for more.

3rd year in a row that Tim Albin and crew have gotten this team improving throughout the year and overall exceeding expectations after significant turnover. So impressed with the defense, and just enough playmakers on offense to get it done. A win Friday takes us to 20-4 in the MAC in this 3 year run, have we ever done better than that?

Anxiously awaiting Coleman Owen injury update. In the meantime hats off to Caleb Gossett on a great game. Seems like a great weapon, almost a TE/WR combo who can run good routes, block or make great catches like we saw last night.


Hell yeah. Gossett gave us the balance we needed to get the run game rolling yesterday. Huge performance.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 9:32:07 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
El Gato Roberto wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
Not having a QB kinda sucks


Really?


Love Navarro. Leader. Tough. Resilient


I don’t have anything personally against him but as soon as we aren’t picking up yards on the ground, we sputter. He’s a scrambler so we’re kinda one dimensional. He just hasn’t shown me enough that he can throw accurately and make good decisions in the passing game. Running wise, he’s one of the best in the NCAA


We are very one deminsional. But it’s the best demension we have and kudos to the staff for playing to our strengths.


1000%

How many times have we watched them try to shove a square peg in a round hole?

You know what? We can't really throw the ball too much, but we can still hit some short passes to move the chains. We still take shots. But more importantly we can run it down your face and you can't stop it. I love that. I've been screaming about that for years. YOU stop ME. Don't let the team dictate what you do. Play your game and adjust.

The first half we couldn't get anything going at all. Not much on the ground, despite a few tough runs by Tyus. They kept pounding. I think Tyus had 15 carries or more before he finally broke that big one and then it was off to the races. I still haven't seen a half-time stat sheet, but I bet we had close to 200 yards rushing in the 2nd half. Tyus had 33 carries. He broke them down, broke their spirit, just kept hammering 4-5 yard runs. They wore out. Then Parker used that to his advantage to break off some big ones too. Parker is so shifty and really does make good decisions when running the ball.

I'm feeling confident, which is scary. I need to get back to my critical nature.

BryanHall wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
ExCat21 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Mannnnn they came to play in the 2nd half.

About jumped through the wall on that sack. Hoping for a fumble scoop and score.


That half-time speech must've been wild.


Tim earned that extension tonight.

I didn’t catch the first half stats, but they have 219 yards rushing. Most of that had to have come in the 2nd. Toledo doesn’t have 200 total.


He may have won MAC Coach of the Year in the second half. Just don't choke vs BSU.


I think you may be right. If they go to the MACC, I don't know how you give it to anyone else. 54 new players. Their former QB is putting himself into the Heisman race this weekend with someone else... Only 2 players selected 1/2/3 team pre-season All-MAC.

And we have a chance at another 10-win season. Wild.

Last Edited: 11/21/2024 9:40:39 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 9:38:40 AM 
I am with you Andrew on going back in the threads and seeing the negative posts that usually pop up from the same negative sometime Bobcat fans. All you can do is laugh at them and feel sorry for their lack of understanding of the sports that
that we are watching.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 9:41:40 AM 
Tim Burke wrote:
am i off base in thinking that's one of the program's biggest wins ever? only our second win in Toledo in, what, 50 years? and against a Toledo team that's its usual strength, and to stay alive for the MACC, a week to Thanksgiving?

outside of milestones like the 2011 Potato Bowl I'm trying to think of a bigger and more meaningful win than this, in a long time.


It certainly is in my opinion.

I was definitely was nervous going into the game last night as Ohio has dropped its fair share of November games with a trip to Detroit on the line. Toledo is a tough place to win for any MAC school but so impressed and prOUd that the Cats showed up and took care of business. Definitely didn't hurt to play on a week night with less than ideal weather to keep the home crowd small and not be much of a factor in the game.

The second half was one of the most satisfying two quarters of Ohio Football I have personally ever watched. Bobcats asserted their will on a good team playing for their lives, on their home turf, and lined up and hit them in the mouth time and time again. The running game in the second half was great smash mouth ball. My heart sank when Navarro threw that pick in the end zone. But then I thought it just might be old Ohio's night when they got the ball right back on Toledo's first play. Turning two of Toledo's second half fumbles into 14 points was great to see and really set the tone for the rest of the game IMHO.

While the rosters for both teams are significantly different now, it was nice to get a little retribution for the 2022 MACC loss.

Last, huge shoutout to Gossett for stepping up! Had 86 of PN's 129 passing yards.

Last Edited: 11/21/2024 9:49:59 AM by OUcats82

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 9:45:30 AM 
doubledribble wrote:
I am with you Andrew on going back in the threads and seeing the negative posts that usually pop up from the same negative sometime Bobcat fans. All you can do is laugh at them and feel sorry for their lack of understanding of the sports that
that we are watching.
D.D.


Man, I don't agree with that at all. I like the engagement during games, and I wish we had more folks jumping in, cause often I'm watching them alone or with my wife. Reacting to plays in real-time doesn't mean you're being negative. After that 2nd hold on 57 that wiped out a big run by Tyus I would've fired him into the sun. Doesn't mean I was wrong or that I don't think he can block.

Keep up the "negativity" cause I for one like discussing the plays as they happen and the game as it unfolds.

Last Edited: 11/21/2024 9:46:12 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 9:57:32 AM 
I would put this game even with several games in MACCG appearance seasons that didn't actually clinch anything, provided we actually beat Ball State next week.

2006 NIU and Kent
2009 NIU
2011 Temple
2016 Toledo
Nothing comes to mind for 2022, though @WMU was entertaining watching the defense eat.

If we don't beat Ball State, this goes right next to winning at Temple in 2010 right before blowing it at Kent.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 10:02:34 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
doubledribble wrote:
I am with you Andrew on going back in the threads and seeing the negative posts that usually pop up from the same negative sometime Bobcat fans. All you can do is laugh at them and feel sorry for their lack of understanding of the sports that
that we are watching.
D.D.


Man, I don't agree with that at all. I like the engagement during games, and I wish we had more folks jumping in, cause often I'm watching them alone or with my wife. Reacting to plays in real-time doesn't mean you're being negative. After that 2nd hold on 57 that wiped out a big run by Tyus I would've fired him into the sun. Doesn't mean I was wrong or that I don't think he can block.

Keep up the "negativity" cause I for one like discussing the plays as they happen and the game as it unfolds.


I, too, like the in-game comments. and yes, I occasionally post when I lose the faith. But I return with my Bobcat Positivity intact. I think we should all be allowed to "clutch out pearls" every now and then. I like coming on here to be with a community of dedicated fans of Ohio University. Thanks to Ted and Ryan for keeping it going.

Last Edited: 11/21/2024 10:03:36 AM by El Gato Roberto

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   Posted: 11/21/2024 10:07:37 AM 
OUcats82 wrote:
Tim Burke wrote:
am i off base in thinking that's one of the program's biggest wins ever? only our second win in Toledo in, what, 50 years? and against a Toledo team that's its usual strength, and to stay alive for the MACC, a week to Thanksgiving?

outside of milestones like the 2011 Potato Bowl I'm trying to think of a bigger and more meaningful win than this, in a long time.


It certainly is in my opinion.

I was definitely was nervous going into the game last night as Ohio has dropped its fair share of November games with a trip to Detroit on the line. Toledo is a tough place to win for any MAC school but so impressed and prOUd that the Cats showed up and took care of business. Definitely didn't hurt to play on a week night with less than ideal weather to keep the home crowd small and not be much of a factor in the game.

The second half was one of the most satisfying two quarters of Ohio Football I have personally ever watched. Bobcats asserted their will on a good team playing for their lives, on their home turf, and lined up and hit them in the mouth time and time again. The running game in the second half was great smash mouth ball. My heart sank when Navarro threw that pick in the end zone. But then I thought it just might be old Ohio's night when they got the ball right back on Toledo's first play. Turning two of Toledo's second half fumbles into 14 points was great to see and really set the tone for the rest of the game IMHO.

While the rosters for both teams are significantly different now, it was nice to get a little retribution for the 2022 MACC loss.

Last, huge shoutout to Gossett for stepping up! Had 86 of PN's 129 passing yards.


Tim and OUcats82....I was thinking all night how clutch this win would be in terms of losing so many players and winning in Toledo. I didn't want to jinx the boys just from the thought. Crazy man. I have a group of 80's OG's in a messaging chain. Each one shared your thoughts on this win.

Now let's please beat Testicle Tech.

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   Posted: 11/21/2024 11:33:38 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
doubledribble wrote:
I am with you Andrew on going back in the threads and seeing the negative posts that usually pop up from the same negative sometime Bobcat fans. All you can do is laugh at them and feel sorry for their lack of understanding of the sports that
that we are watching.
D.D.


Man, I don't agree with that at all. I like the engagement during games, and I wish we had more folks jumping in, cause often I'm watching them alone or with my wife. Reacting to plays in real-time doesn't mean you're being negative. After that 2nd hold on 57 that wiped out a big run by Tyus I would've fired him into the sun. Doesn't mean I was wrong or that I don't think he can block.

Keep up the "negativity" cause I for one like discussing the plays as they happen and the game as it unfolds.


Could create a BA Discord and have in-game chats. It uses your phone as a mic.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 11:48:27 AM 
ExCat21 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
doubledribble wrote:
I am with you Andrew on going back in the threads and seeing the negative posts that usually pop up from the same negative sometime Bobcat fans. All you can do is laugh at them and feel sorry for their lack of understanding of the sports that
that we are watching.
D.D.


Man, I don't agree with that at all. I like the engagement during games, and I wish we had more folks jumping in, cause often I'm watching them alone or with my wife. Reacting to plays in real-time doesn't mean you're being negative. After that 2nd hold on 57 that wiped out a big run by Tyus I would've fired him into the sun. Doesn't mean I was wrong or that I don't think he can block.

Keep up the "negativity" cause I for one like discussing the plays as they happen and the game as it unfolds.


Could create a BA Discord and have in-game chats. It uses your phone as a mic.


That sounds like fun. I'd join.

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   Posted: 11/21/2024 12:23:30 PM 
Good win…maybe this is the year I see my second MACC!

Why doesn’t anyone follow games from the Chat room anymore?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 11 Thread: Toledo
   Posted: 11/21/2024 12:49:03 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Good win…maybe this is the year I see my second MACC!

Why doesn’t anyone follow games from the Chat room anymore?


Fallen out of favor. It's the Myspace of bobcatattack.
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   Posted: 11/21/2024 12:56:32 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Good win…maybe this is the year I see my second MACC!

Why doesn’t anyone follow games from the Chat room anymore?


Fallen out of favor. It's the Myspace of bobcatattack.


It works tho
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   Posted: 11/21/2024 3:15:46 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Victory wrote:
Ohio69 wrote:
Tim Albin !!!!!

Good for you dude…..



Let's hope he is still OUr coach next year. Win or lose next week, and I believe we'll win but I suspect we'll be without Owen, at least 8 wins with what happened in the portal is one heck of a coaching job.


Amen. Dude can run a program. Honestly I had my doubts when he took over like everyone else.

I’m I’mpressed no matter what happens next. Respect….



Not everyone


That is 100% correct BTC! Not everyone doubted Coach Albin. The guy is one outstanding football coach.

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   Posted: 11/21/2024 8:45:11 PM 
Coach Albin is the nicest human being I've ever met. An amazing person to have leading the program and as a representative for the school.

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   Posted: 11/21/2024 10:29:26 PM 
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
We are very one dimensional. But it’s the best dimension we have and kudos to the staff for playing to our strengths.

Exactly. Ohio is not an offensive powerhouse, but they do have some strengths, notably Navarro's mobility, and Tyus is a very good running back. Ohio has done of good job of leveraging those strengths into enough points to win convincingly when combined with the best defense in the MAC.

Next up will be Ball State, the protypical opposite of Ohio. Ohio wins with defense and a solid running game. Ball State attempts to win via MACtion, and leads the conference in Offense, Scoring, and Passing.


I agree regarding the offense. It is clear Navarro has some weaknesses and pointing them out occasionally when discussing big picture is not a sin. They are obvious. But regardless, Ohio fans have to love Navarro's spirt. That guy gives you everything he has every game. With all the big names over the years at QB, Navarro just might be the guy to get the championship.
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   Posted: 11/21/2024 10:31:38 PM 
awrightdesigns wrote:
Coach Albin is the nicest human being I've ever met. An amazing person to have leading the program and as a representative for the school.


Very much agreed. He can run hot during gametime because he cares so much but he is a great ambassador for this team and he clearly knows how to win. With at least two, possibly three games left, he needs two wins to get to three 10-win seasons in a row?

We just gotta lock up this championship, hopefully before i die
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   Posted: 11/21/2024 11:02:25 PM 
Rufusbobcat94 wrote:
But regardless, Ohio fans have to love Navarro's spirt. That guy gives you everything he has every game. With all the big names over the years at QB, Navarro just might be the guy to get the championship.


Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I believe Navarro backed up Gabriel at UCF and K. Rourke at Ohio. Those two QBs lead 2 of the 3 remaining undefeated teams in FBS.
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   Posted: 11/22/2024 10:53:41 AM 
Sorry, I'm late to this party, but I had to watch this game from a hotel in Athens because we were having a sewer line repaired and it took 24 hours for the glue to dry that adheres the new liner to the ends of the old pipe. During that time, of course, we couldn't use showers, toilets, sinks, etc. in the house.

But, it was an enjoyable night despite all of the sewer hassle! In the second half Tyus looked like the 200-yard runner that we saw in the Syracuse game. I hope he can keep that intensity up the rest of the season. Unlike the basketball team, the players on this football team seem to know their roles and play to each others strengths. You can tell that they are well coached, and that they are executing a well-conceived game plan. And, any victory over Toledo is to be savored!

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   Posted: 11/23/2024 7:33:32 AM 
I woke up early this morning, and was bored, so I perused some other forums. In looking at the Toledo comments on this game, their comments included:
1. Their O-Line (and O-line coach) sucked, and needed to be replaced
2. Their QB sucked and needed to be replaced
3. Their RBs needed to be replaced
4. Their offensive coordinator needed to be replaced
5. Candle needed the be replaced

They had nothing to say about Ohio, or Ohio's defense having anything to do with their loss. By contrast, on ziggy.zoomba, they had but one comment on the Ohio-Toledo game:
bgsu33 wrote:
Ohio is smacking Toledo around in the second half in the Glass Bowl. Their defense is playing crazy good (best in the MAC) and they run the ball with their RB and QB all over the place. They’re headed to Detroit, mark my words.


Sometimes an independent observer can see things that more biased observers can not. That made me wonder, so I went back to look at the Ohio-Miami thread on BA. I found it was much like Toledo's loss to Ohio, with all the blame heaped on Ohio's offense, Ohio's QB, play calling, Ohio preparation, Ohio effort, Ohio's players, and Ohio's coaches. I did, however, find a 2-3 posters who gave Miami some credit for their win, especially credit for their experienced offensive and defensive lines.

When you lose, more often than not, it has something to do with how well the other team played. Just as Ohio was the main reason why Toledo lost, Miami was the main reason why Ohio lost to them. But, the good news, is that Ohio has improved a great deal since then, and in a rematch, the result may not be the same, which is a good thing, since a rematch seems likely.

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   Posted: 11/23/2024 8:43:59 AM 
That Miami at BG game is going to be a good one. BG better not be looking last Ball State, is all I want to say.

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   Posted: 11/23/2024 10:23:28 AM 
L.C. wrote:
I woke up early this morning, and was bored, so I perused some other forums. In looking at the Toledo comments on this game, their comments included:
1. Their O-Line (and O-line coach) sucked, and needed to be replaced
2. Their QB sucked and needed to be replaced
3. Their RBs needed to be replaced
4. Their offensive coordinator needed to be replaced
5. Candle needed the be replaced

They had nothing to say about Ohio, or Ohio's defense having anything to do with their loss. By contrast, on ziggy.zoomba, they had but one comment on the Ohio-Toledo game:
bgsu33 wrote:
Ohio is smacking Toledo around in the second half in the Glass Bowl. Their defense is playing crazy good (best in the MAC) and they run the ball with their RB and QB all over the place. They’re headed to Detroit, mark my words.


Sometimes an independent observer can see things that more biased observers can not. That made me wonder, so I went back to look at the Ohio-Miami thread on BA. I found it was much like Toledo's loss to Ohio, with all the blame heaped on Ohio's offense, Ohio's QB, play calling, Ohio preparation, Ohio effort, Ohio's players, and Ohio's coaches. I did, however, find a 2-3 posters who gave Miami some credit for their win, especially credit for their experienced offensive and defensive lines.

When you lose, more often than not, it has something to do with how well the other team played. Just as Ohio was the main reason why Toledo lost, Miami was the main reason why Ohio lost to them. But, the good news, is that Ohio has improved a great deal since then, and in a rematch, the result may not be the same, which is a good thing, since a rematch seems likely.


This is the sort of thing that comes about due to the way sports is marketed and they way coach's motivate players. It isn't much different that the whole "clear champion" speak that we were talking about a few days ago. A lot of marketing is sports is to sell both a whole season to serious fans and one game to casual fans.

If you're a coach a big part of your game is to get players mentally ready yo give 100% through adversity in the game, pain, exhaustion. If Kent State plays Oregon both coaches have to get their team believing Kent State can win. And we get speak that acts as if you control the outcome of the game more than your opponents. Which of course, the other team is being sold the same bill of goods. Then both teams have in most games about equal say in the outcome. This type of stuff on the board is a result of that type of thinking. But analytical guys like me always say stuff like never consider a teams win-loss record and never consider a team's strength on schedule but only think of them as one entity because your opponent has as much say in the outcome of every game as you.

"Next man up" is another good one. A team has to believe it can win just the same. But in reality, they almost certainly won't. If the backup is as good he would have been playing. This list could go on and on. I say if you are a betting man, just the fact that you are willing to participate in a game where the person you are betting against makes all the rules, then you are probably a "mark". A lot of this speak is almost certainly helpful in getting teams at their best but if you analyzing sports and you don't want to think like all the marks that allow all the buildings on the Vegas Strip to exist then do your best to put that speak where it belongs.

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   Posted: 11/24/2024 3:47:37 PM 
L.C. wrote:
I woke up early this morning, and was bored, so I perused some other forums. In looking at the Toledo comments on this game, their comments included:
1. Their O-Line (and O-line coach) sucked, and needed to be replaced
2. Their QB sucked and needed to be replaced
3. Their RBs needed to be replaced
4. Their offensive coordinator needed to be replaced
5. Candle needed the be replaced

They had nothing to say about Ohio, or Ohio's defense having anything to do with their loss. By contrast, on ziggy.zoomba, they had but one comment on the Ohio-Toledo game:
bgsu33 wrote:
Ohio is smacking Toledo around in the second half in the Glass Bowl. Their defense is playing crazy good (best in the MAC) and they run the ball with their RB and QB all over the place. They’re headed to Detroit, mark my words.


Sometimes an independent observer can see things that more biased observers can not. That made me wonder, so I went back to look at the Ohio-Miami thread on BA. I found it was much like Toledo's loss to Ohio, with all the blame heaped on Ohio's offense, Ohio's QB, play calling, Ohio preparation, Ohio effort, Ohio's players, and Ohio's coaches. I did, however, find a 2-3 posters who gave Miami some credit for their win, especially credit for their experienced offensive and defensive lines.

When you lose, more often than not, it has something to do with how well the other team played. Just as Ohio was the main reason why Toledo lost, Miami was the main reason why Ohio lost to them. But, the good news, is that Ohio has improved a great deal since then, and in a rematch, the result may not be the same, which is a good thing, since a rematch seems likely.



No different than this place after a loss! I’d like a dollar for every time someone complained about our OC and play calling.
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