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Topic: RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

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FJC31
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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:09:33 PM

We’ll be fine.

We all pegged this as a loss. First half was ugly. We ourscored JMU 52-47 second half, but the deficit was just too big.

FT and preventing 2nd chance baskets remain a concert, but this was a long JMU team.

Love the downhill toughness Reef and Pav play with. Strong second half from Hadaway.

Still no box score. On to Asheville and the home opener.

Last Edited: 11/4/2024 9:10:17 PM by FJC31

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:12:17 PM

No rebounds.
No made free-throws.
You sit AJ Brown during the two crucial stretches of the halves where JMU extended the lead to 13-17 points? Huh? If you want to compete on the road and have a chance to win quality non-con games, don't you want your best players on the floor for 30+ minutes?
We don't foul down 7 with one minute left to extend the game. That is a head-scratcher.

Elmore 22 minutes. AJ Brown 22 minutes...huh?

And with all that it got interesting with 80 seconds left.

Emphasis in practice this week.

Free throws.
Rebounding.
Stop dribble penetration.

Last Edited: 11/4/2024 9:26:28 PM by FearLeon

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:13:31 PM

FJC31 wrote:

Can’t bury yourself in a hole like that, but they had some chances. If they can figure out how to rebound - 7 total between our 4 and 5 man, they’ll be alright.

JP can’t lead the team in rebounds if we’re going to win many games.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:14:09 PM

James Madison has been bringing in some quality players both in Football and Basketball. The new coach seems to be a quality hire too. Apparently, their basketball facility is "NBA quality," whatever that means. Ohio has got potential, but I feel that they lost this game in the first half and spent the rest of the game trying to get back into it. Same old problem at this level, which is inconsistency. If we can tackle that, this team should be competitive throughout the year. It's early in the season, mind you, but James Madison looks really good.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:18:32 PM

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How many turnovers? How many times beaten off the dribble?

With the additional sample size?

Only the first game and we all want for him to be successful, obviously. However, you and I were watching the same game. His ability to correct those things will be key.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:22:36 PM

If JM had such size superiority why not play Hadaway, Searls and Clayton and two guards?

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:28:23 PM

AlumDadDad wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

How many turnovers? How many times beaten off the dribble?

With the additional sample size?

Only the first game and we all want for him to be successful, obviously. However, you and I were watching the same game. His ability to correct those things will be key.

He had 3 turnovers (same as Reef). And nearly led the team in scoring and rebounding. Lol Go outside

Last Edited: 11/4/2024 9:28:54 PM by M.D.W.S.T

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 9:58:55 PM

Was in the arena tonight. "NBA Quality"??, not really. Reminds me of Toledo with better seating. Had an ok crowd there. Nice they put the students behind both baskets. For an 8,000 seat arena, almost the entire 2nd level was empty. Maybe 5,000 in attendance for a 32-4 team from last year.

Our bench, all 3 players, didn't do too much tonight. Our front court shut down their 2 6-11 Centers for the 1st half. Searls lone bucket on the block looked great, but not much else.

Paveletzke and Mitchell looked very good on Defense. Need more minutes from AJ Brown. Once he got going in the 2nd half he looked very good. Kind of absent in the 1st half.

Last Edited: 11/4/2024 10:03:01 PM by OUbobcat9092

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 10:28:58 PM

OUbobcat9092 wrote:

I expect Searls to be better as season goes on. Tommy Schmock had the same D2 to D1 transition period. I also think Elliott and Evans are ready to bust in.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 10:46:23 PM

BIG PICTURE ...

Not a bad road night overall for the MAC in the challenge getting 4 road wins w/Akron just missing a 5th in OT.

Miami, Central, Kent winning indicates MAC middle might be pretty tough this season. Buffalo getting a road win is HUGE considering they are likely worst team in the league.

If MAC can win 6 or 7 when the series flips in February, then all should be good. Should expect the Cats, Toledo and Akron to win returns at home. Add CMU, Miami and Kent and that's six. Anything after that is gravy.

Good job, MAC.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/4/2024 10:52:19 PM

1st half posts were entertaining.

I think that was a really solid basketball game. I think JMU is good. I think we are good. Of the 8 players who played, 7 looked pretty solid to me.

Elmore struggled, and continued to look like the 2nd half of last season where he just has lost the touch around the rim. I would agree he should not keep AJB from being a regular 30 min guy. AJB looked really smooth, confirming the excitement.

Clayton didn't get going with scoring but he still looked solid overall.

Paveletzke has some skills for sure and some really good play around the rim, but he did not impress me with ball distribution, and only 1 3 point attempt (a miss). Hopefully the assists come.

I still think Ajay Sheldon could absolutely be the regular point guard of this team. I thought he looked good with the ball as usual.

Hadaway was just like last year, he was great and always love the energy. Reef looked great too.

It took 2 seconds to declare Searls is a vast improvement over Wiz. He can actually catch a basketball, dribble it a few times and run down the court and look like he belongs. And he had a great take to the hoop in the 2nd half.

Kneejerk I'd say Searls big improvement over Wiz, and healthy AJB big improvement over Miles Brown. TBD on Paveletzke taking over for Hunter, but early indication is we'll see an improvement in going to the hoop but decline in distribution.

I absolutely still believe we are the best team in the MAC.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 7:59:01 AM

My biggest takeaway is AJ Brown absolutely is the X-factor to this season's success. He looked easily the most ready for the moment. Maybe the limited minutes were due to conditioning, but if they aren't, he needs to be a 30 minute guy.

To a lesser extent Hadaway also appeared up for the moment. I thought he got a raw deal on some foul calls. I made the BOLD prediction he would begin the season on a tear and I stand by that. Gotta make the free throws...

With a little over a minute left, we were down 10. I looked at the box score and at that point we were 7/15 from the line. Unacceptable for D1 scholarship players. Loud arena or not. If we're 11/15 at that point, it's an entirely different ball game.

Impressed with Jackson's ability to get to the paint, but I didn't see anything to indicate he can consistently set up the rest of the offense. And can our little guards stop trying to be post players when they get too far in? Can't stand watching us try to weasel up off balance scoop layups. Jackson tried that against their Demarcus Cousins look-alike in the first half and that went about as you'd expect.

On that note, as it stands now, our "bigs" next season are Hadaway, three guys not currenty in the rotation - two of which are hovering around only 200 pounds, and an incoming 6'7'' freshman. Are we going to honor a 14th scholarship? If not, we are going to have to drastically change our philosophies.

0 minutes for Nicol. That's not a good sign after a healthy redshirt year. If he can't establish himself in the rotation, it very well could be a portal entry in April.

Was Burris in a boot?

I'm not so hard on Elmore, physically. He had a good drive in the second half that just rolled off. I don't like the contested mid range jumpers. I hope he's healthy enough for a better shot selection. And we should not be sacrificing AJB minutes just so Elmore can play.

Would it have helped to get in an exhibition game against a D3? Why didn't that happen. Anyway, it was encouraging to not roll over and die after JMU went on their runs. In a way this game reminded me of the LSU game a few years ago. Shake it off for Asheville. I think we win that one comfortably.

Last Edited: 11/5/2024 9:07:22 AM by shabamon

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 8:55:27 AM

shabamon wrote:

Shake it off for Asheville. I think we win that one comfortably.

I hope so. They lost by 56 last night.

Yes, they were playing a great team but that great team only played starters between 19 and 24 minutes. Grant Nelson didn't even start and he was only in for 15 minutes. In other words, Bama could have won by 80 if they wanted.

TeamRankings . com says Ohio with around a 75% chance of winning.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:16:09 AM

Thought I would give out some grades for last nights game.

Hadaway - B+
Solid game from Captain Chaos. shot efficiently from the floor and from 3, competed on defense, no turnovers, needs to be stronger on the boards if he's going to play the 4, also 0-4 from the charity stripe isn't going to get it done. I think he'll get that turned around though.

Clayton - D-
Really rough showing from our preseason all team MAC guy, never settled in and looked comfortable, got taken advantage of defensively by JMU's bigs, looked super passive on offense, wasn't strong on the boards. 4 assists is encouraging and could be a nice wrinkle to his game, but I'll look for him to bounce back on Saturday.

AJ Brown - B
Didn't miss a shot from the floor and was 2-3 from the stripe, only problem is that he only took 5 shots, I think he'll be more aggressive offensively as the season wears on and he gets more comfortable after his injury.

Paveletzke - B-
Finished with a nice enough stat line but there is certainly some room for improvement. Good touch around the rim with a good handle but he was definitely bothered by JMUs size inside. 1 assist to 3 TOs isn't super promising if he's supposed to be running point but I'm a wait and see on his passing potential right now. I think his defensive potential as a small short armed guard is going to be a concern for most of the year. Seemed to have a lot of trouble fighting over screens.

Shereef - B
Efficient night, pesky on defense, tossed in some tough buckets, 4 steals, 3 assists but with 3 TOs as well. pretty normal Shereef game. Would like to see him and Pav shoot some more 3s.

Searls - C+
Nothing he did will jump out at you but if you can't tell that he's better than the Wiz already we were watching a different game. Set good screens, minimal boneheaded plays. Would like to see him be stronger on the glass but it's only one game so far. His post bucket was nice, curious to see how much they look to him to score. I'd expect him to improve throughout the year as he adjusts from D2 to D1.

Elmore - F
Didn't provide much of anything out there, love the guy, but as others have mentioned, shot selection is key. Would love to see him be more of a catch and shoot guy, as it seems he often barrels downhill without a plan and has to throw up a tough look. If he doesn't improve quickly, he's the most likely candidate to have a freshman eat into his minutes in my opinion.

Sheldon - B
Played well in limited minutes, seemed more comfortable with the ball in his hands than last year, scrapped and competed on defense, no turnovers, solid all around.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:21:13 AM

I echo similar thoughts as Shabamon around philosophy and Nicol.

Boals has shown a tendency to ease most players into the rotation/PT, but I really expected to see Nicol tonight. He's an inch shorter, but 5lbs heavier than Hadaway. Is he really not ready after redshirting to contribute in anyway?

We have the personnel with him and Ayden to create bigger lineups as the season goes on and mix/match more. I really hope those two start getting their feet wet and can contribute by the time MAC play gets here.

Last Edited: 11/5/2024 9:21:38 AM by FJC31

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:21:22 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

You saw what I saw. A month from now we won’t have any memory of this game. But the potential looks great. Two capable point guards, a couple of explosive shooting guards, two excellent front court guys and a center who looked at home in his first division 1 game. The hustle on defense was there, we just need to tighten it up. Certainly no need to panic.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:25:25 AM

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FJC31 wrote:

Yea. I hope we see more of a "killer instinct" from AJC in his last year. He can be the guy, but sometimes I can't tell if he truly wants to be the guy.

He still doesn't summon for the ball the way BVP did when the team needs/needed a basket. His proactive involvement offensively is going to be needed in these bigger games.

Last Edited: 11/5/2024 9:26:21 AM by FJC31

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:36:23 AM

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Andrew Ruck wrote:

Agreed on all points.

The 1st half was bad - they went ice cold and JMU went red hot from 3 to bury OU early and they had to climb out the rest of the way. I'm sure that effected a lot of what Boals had hoped to do rotationally, but Nicol and Evans not seeing the floor was a bit of a surprise - but to me that says they aren't ready to "figure it out" when you're down 15-20 and fighting to get back.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Evans in the rotation next game. SOMEONE has to rebound and it can't be the 6'1" PG. Hadaway had one rebound until the final possession of the game. AJC was fairly non-existent, but managed 5 rebounds. He's just not a tough guy inside and never has been. Was hoping to see Searls camp out, but we didn't get that either. He'll hopefully find his footing and his place. Like we screamed about all last season - we literally just need someone to rebound, set screens, and put your hands in the air to adjust shots.

And for the millionth time, we need someone with a killer instinct - like Brown was for JMU, just stepping up and burying shots every time they needed one. Hopefully someone can shake AJB and tell him how good he is, kid needs the greenlight to do whatever he wants. Shoot it 15-20 times. Just get to the hoop. Kid went 5-5 in 20 mins. UNLEASH.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:50:26 AM

As for Pav being able to run the offense and facilitate, Jaylin had 1 assist in his Bobcat debut.

Our starting PG's to date have figured it out under Boals and I expect Pav to be no different.

Last Edited: 11/5/2024 9:50:43 AM by FJC31

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:57:58 AM

For those who watch Netflix documentaries, I can't get over Pav's resemblance to Paul ("Paw Paw") Murdaugh of the infamous South Carolina Murdaugh clan.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 10:08:19 AM

If we get the team that played in the second half, we’ll be good for the rest of the season. When JMU got on runs and started to pull away, we were able to come back and get it to single digits. Teams in the past would’ve laid down and waved the white flag. Offensively, first half showed it was the first game. We still had great sets that got open shots/layups. Defensively, sole missed assignments but most shots were contested. JMU just hit them tonight. They’re a good team but idk if they can shoot 54% FG and 50 from 3 again this year. Rebounding needs worked on and I’d have them shooting free throws until their arms give out. I’ve never seen so many spin and roll out like I did last night. Overall, I think we’ll be good. Clayton has a nice hook shot if he gets it to fall. Hadaway is public enemy number one in every gym he walks in and I think that fuels him lol

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 11:15:58 AM

shabamon wrote:

Would it have helped to get in an exhibition game against a D3? Why didn't that happen. .

Was curious about this and I can't find a season other than the Covid year where we didn't play at least one exhibition first. I'm sure there is one but it's been a while.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 11:18:41 AM

We stunk the joint up in the 1st half.
We stunk at the free throw line.
We got demolished on the boards.

That said we showed tremendous grit in the 2nd half and considering we were playing a good program on the road in our 1st game of the season, I’m not the least bit concerned about this team going forward. We’ll be fine. My key takeaway give AJB more minutes. Go Bobcats!!!

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 11:23:29 AM

Obviously not the results we wanted but overall I thought it was a decent night. We looked like it was our first game of the season and I suspect a much different result next game.

The offense needs some work but that is to be expected on opening night. JMU went off from 3 in the first half and we were sloppy with the ball, the perfect recipe to get down 20+. We really only played one bad half so its not all bad.

I am concerned about our 3 point shooting, we need to find ways to get Clayton open looks, he has the ability to lead the league from deep and we just didn't get him enough looks. He was 1 for 3 but needs to be taking 6-7 a night, IMO. Hadaway took 6 last night to add some perspective. Sheldon also only took 1 attempt, he needs at least 4-5 a night as well or his minutes are wasted.

We got dominated on the glass as well. I think we were a step slower and were out of position a lot of the night. JMU is quick and athletic so that was a tough test out of the gate, I'm not worried and think we see improvement there sooner than later.

Did the fans have it out for Hadaway? Thought I kept hearing them chanting "#10 you suck"

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 11:40:44 AM

Echoing most of the thoughts here. For a first game without an exhibition tune up, there were some issues, but not overly glaring "sky is falling" type things that can't be fixed.

Was the defense bad at times? Yeah, but from what I saw a lot of it was just slow rotations and miscommunications on screens. And the bigs need to stand their ground a little bit better. I was just waiting for Clayton, Hadaway or Searls to bait one of the JMU bigs into a charge and it never happened. We need some of that. I did like the ball pressure from Reef, Pav, and James when it got to nitty gritty time and we made a little run about midway through the 2nd half. Even Hadaway had some good perimeter D. Just gotta keep that up for a full game.

Speaking of Hadaway - love, love, love the aggressiveness on offense. I have a feeling we're going to have games with him that are head scratchers or games where he's our best player on the floor. Last night was a little of both; knocking down threes and getting to the cup, but then missing all of his free throws and a couple ticky tack fouls. Overall, I'll take what we got from him last night if he can shore up the litte things.

Timely rebounding was awful last night. Many times the defense forced JMU into a tough shot and they secured the offensive board and it completely flipped momentum. Seemed like it happened every time we got close on the scoreboard and the deficit jumped back up to double digits again.

Pav and Reef will be fine. If that's our starting backcourt moving forward I have no issues. I don't care which one takes the reins on any given night, because it's almost like having two PGs out there. Cut down on the TOs and they'll be dangerous with their scoring ability moving forward. Some of those drives by Pav in second half; I'll just say it was good stuff.

Definitely think Brown needs more minutes. He looks so fluid out there and completely comfortable. He might be "the" guy, but we won't know it until we see it.

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