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longtiimelurker
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  Message Not Read  Portal. on steroifds.
   Posted: 4/1/2022 7:30:27 PM 
A whole team in the Portal? All the plaers? That is cruel. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/entire-lsu-basketball-roste... /

Will Wade wake ....ripples never come back.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Portal. on steroifds.
   Posted: 4/1/2022 7:41:03 PM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
A whole team in the Portal? All the plaers? That is cruel. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/entire-lsu-basketball-roste... /

Will Wade wake ....ripples never come back.


Ouch. Probably because LSU is likely facing postseason bans / sanctions. Sears would likely get automatic playing time if he decides to transfer there.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Portal. on steroifds.
   Posted: 4/1/2022 8:20:26 PM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
A whole team in the Portal? All the plaers? That is cruel. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/entire-lsu-basketball-roste... /

Will Wade wake ....ripples never come back.


They aren't even the only team that has the entire roster in the portal. In fact, I count up to 6 full rosters. You had to have 7 transfers to even the top list.

Full Teams In Portal:

LaSalle (12 players)
LSU (11 players)
Alabama State (11 players)
Murray State (10 players)
UT Rio Grande Valley (10) (Who?)
Hartford (9)
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Others of mention:

Prairie View A&M (9)
Green Bay (8)
New Hampshire (8)
Southern Miss (8)
Tarleton State (8) (Who?)
Binghampton (7)
George Mason (7)
IUPUI (7)
Northeastern (7)
Pitt (7)
Radford (7)
South Dakota (7)
Citadel (7)
Western Carolina (7)
William & Mary (7)







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  Message Not Read  RE: Portal. on steroifds.
   Posted: 4/1/2022 8:27:01 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
longtiimelurker wrote:
A whole team in the Portal? All the plaers? That is cruel. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/entire-lsu-basketball-roste... /

Will Wade wake ....ripples never come back.


They aren't even the only team that has the entire roster in the portal. In fact, I count up to 6 full rosters. You had to have 7 transfers to even the top list.

Full Teams In Portal:

LaSalle (12 players)
LSU (11 players)
Alabama State (11 players)
Murray State (10 players)
UT Rio Grande Valley (10) (Who?)
Hartford (9)
-----

Others of mention:

Prairie View A&M (9)
Green Bay (8)
New Hampshire (8)
Southern Miss (8)
Tarleton State (8) (Who?)
Binghampton (7)
George Mason (7)
IUPUI (7)
Northeastern (7)
Pitt (7)
Radford (7)
South Dakota (7)
Citadel (7)
Western Carolina (7)
William & Mary (7)









And I thought the portal has hit the MAC hard. Jeez!


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   Posted: 4/1/2022 9:51:13 PM 
Not surprised about Hartford, they were an NCAA team in 21 and are about to go D3.....can't blame em.

As to one on that list that got my eyebrows raised, shocked to see Green Bay on there (former asst. Will Ryan is HC there)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Portal. on steroifds.
   Posted: 4/2/2022 10:43:33 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
longtiimelurker wrote:
A whole team in the Portal? All the plaers? That is cruel. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/entire-lsu-basketball-roste... /

Will Wade wake ....ripples never come back.


They aren't even the only team that has the entire roster in the portal. In fact, I count up to 6 full rosters. You had to have 7 transfers to even the top list.

Full Teams In Portal:

LaSalle (12 players)
LSU (11 players)
Alabama State (11 players)
Murray State (10 players)
UT Rio Grande Valley (10) (Who?)
Hartford (9)
-----

Others of mention:

Prairie View A&M (9)
Green Bay (8)
New Hampshire (8)
Southern Miss (8)
Tarleton State (8) (Who?)
Binghampton (7)
George Mason (7)
IUPUI (7)
Northeastern (7)
Pitt (7)
Radford (7)
South Dakota (7)
Citadel (7)
Western Carolina (7)
William & Mary (7)




Rio Grande Valley and Tarleton are in what became of the "WAC"

You know, they also have "Grand Canyon" - the only "college" to be made fun of in a Borat movie. (the only NCAA for-profit member "school")

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   Posted: 4/2/2022 10:56:19 AM 
It's interesting to me that now when a coach leaves the majority (and in some cases entire) team ends up in the portal.

The implication there is that prior to the one time free transfer rule, far more players would have left after coaching changes. Puts the inconsistency between how the NCAA treated coaches and players in pretty pretty stark contrast. Basically means there were a lot of guys staying at a place they didn't want to be because of restrictive rules.
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   Posted: 4/2/2022 11:05:28 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
It's interesting to me that now when a coach leaves the majority (and in some cases entire) team ends up in the portal.

The implication there is that prior to the one time free transfer rule, far more players would have left after coaching changes. Puts the inconsistency between how the NCAA treated coaches and players in pretty pretty stark contrast. Basically means there were a lot of guys staying at a place they didn't want to be because of restrictive rules.


Tells me that recruits are weighing the coach much much heavier than everything else about the program and school.
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   Posted: 4/2/2022 12:24:50 PM 
Now imagine a world where Tillman, TFree and Devaughn transfer out when OShea leaves.
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   Posted: 4/2/2022 12:38:53 PM 
The NCAA, at this point, is just AAU ball played in front of cheerleaders and TV cameras.
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   Posted: 4/2/2022 1:00:55 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
The NCAA, at this point, is just AAU ball played in front of cheerleaders and TV cameras.


And folks willing to shell out big bucks to watch it live.

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   Posted: 4/2/2022 1:16:17 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
It's interesting to me that now when a coach leaves the majority (and in some cases entire) team ends up in the portal.

The implication there is that prior to the one time free transfer rule, far more players would have left after coaching changes. Puts the inconsistency between how the NCAA treated coaches and players in pretty pretty stark contrast. Basically means there were a lot of guys staying at a place they didn't want to be because of restrictive rules.


Tells me that recruits are weighing the coach much much heavier than everything else about the program and school.


Yep, doesn't surprise me at all. There's an old adage that people don't leave companies, they leave their boss. The reverse is true, too. Who your "manager" is has the single biggest impact on your how you like your job, and in a coach has such a huge impact on every component of a program that it makes sense players weigh that heavily.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Portal. on steroifds.
   Posted: 4/2/2022 1:30:57 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
It's interesting to me that now when a coach leaves the majority (and in some cases entire) team ends up in the portal.

The implication there is that prior to the one time free transfer rule, far more players would have left after coaching changes. Puts the inconsistency between how the NCAA treated coaches and players in pretty pretty stark contrast. Basically means there were a lot of guys staying at a place they didn't want to be because of restrictive rules.


But track how many of those 11-12 who hit the portal end up in a worse situation, smaller division and paying for part of their schooling. Grass ainít always greener and these kids are often getting poor advice.
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   Posted: 4/2/2022 2:46:24 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
It's interesting to me that now when a coach leaves the majority (and in some cases entire) team ends up in the portal.

The implication there is that prior to the one time free transfer rule, far more players would have left after coaching changes. Puts the inconsistency between how the NCAA treated coaches and players in pretty pretty stark contrast. Basically means there were a lot of guys staying at a place they didn't want to be because of restrictive rules.


But track how many of those 11-12 who hit the portal end up in a worse situation, smaller division and paying for part of their schooling. Grass ainít always greener and these kids are often getting poor advice.


Ah, yes, the ol' "this is for your own good" approach to restricting personal choice.

These are adults. Whether they're worse off of relative, and I don't think the right approach is to try and legislate the choice.
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   Posted: 4/4/2022 4:38:51 PM 
OVC star enter portal today.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/...

Had 32 points vs Murray, 18 rebounds vs Belmont, 15 blocked shots vs ut-Martin.

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   Posted: 4/4/2022 4:51:41 PM 
How many years does the NCAA, as we know it, have left?

The inevitable P5/G5 split seems to be closer than I initially thought.

Does the NCAA create a new division?

Do all the power houses leave the NCAA altogether?

Does the NCAA even have a purpose at this point as it relates to D1?
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   Posted: 4/4/2022 5:24:51 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
How many years does the NCAA, as we know it, have left?

The inevitable P5/G5 split seems to be closer than I initially thought.

Does the NCAA create a new division?

Do all the power houses leave the NCAA altogether?

Does the NCAA even have a purpose at this point as it relates to D1?


As time goes by Iím beginning to think Iíd like to see the G5 break off completely from the NCAA and start their own division with a name something along the lines of the American Universities Amateur Athletic Association. Not totally different from the three division concept mentioned elsewhere but with no NCAA affiliation whatsoever. Go back to amateur status for athletes with coaching and administration pay scales more in line with where they should be. Let the P5 more so go head to head against the NFL instead of trying to minimize the G5. The G5 can market being ďyour universityís sports team with real student athletesĒ. I basically cheer for the name on the shirt anyway.
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   Posted: 4/10/2022 5:00:48 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
longtiimelurker wrote:
A whole team in the Portal? All the plaers? That is cruel. https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/entire-lsu-basketball-roste... /

Will Wade wake ....ripples never come back.


They aren't even the only team that has the entire roster in the portal. In fact, I count up to 6 full rosters. You had to have 7 transfers to even the top list.

Full Teams In Portal:

LaSalle (12 players)
LSU (11 players)
Alabama State (11 players)
Murray State (10 players)
UT Rio Grande Valley (10) (Who?)
Hartford (9)
-----

Others of mention:

Prairie View A&M (9)
Green Bay (8)
New Hampshire (8)
Southern Miss (8)
Tarleton State (8) (Who?)
Binghampton (7)
George Mason (7)
IUPUI (7)
Northeastern (7)
Pitt (7)
Radford (7)
South Dakota (7)
Citadel (7)
Western Carolina (7)
William & Mary (7)



Updated list of teams with most players in the portal (1255 players now)

LaSalle (12)
LSU (11)
Alabama St (11)
UT Rio Grande Valley (10)
Hartford (10)
Prairie View A&M (10)
Murray St (9)
Green Bay (9)
Georgia (9)
Kansas St (9)
---

New Hampshire (8)
Southern Miss (8)
Tarleton St (8)
Binghampton (8)
Pittsburgh (8)
Coastal Carolina (8)
Northern Arizona (8)
San Jose St (8)
UTEP (8)

Then these have "only" lost 7

George Mason (7)
IUPUI (7)
Northeastern (7)
Radford (7)
Citadel (7)
Western Carolina (7)
William & Mary (7)
Arkansas Pine Bluff (7)
Tennessee Tech (7)
Wichita St (7)



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  Message Not Read  RE: Portal. on steroifds.
   Posted: 4/10/2022 9:35:18 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The NCAA, at this point, is just AAU ball played in front of cheerleaders and TV cameras.


And folks willing to shell out big bucks to watch it live.




I have been thinking about this for a week. What is AAU basketball in your mind? Have you been to a lot of AAU tournaments? Would you be able to sit at a table with Bill Self, Hubert Davis or even Jeff Boals and make that case? How does that statement track to those coaches who game plan, watch hours of film, and review the scouting report with their assistants and players? Even at the High School level, there is advanced scouting and game planning that does not seem to correlate with what the term AAU ball connotes.

It is absolutely staggering to hear fans' opinions and try and figure out how they come to see basketball in such finite terms. The statement above makes me want to go find a weekend of AAU games and see if what you have commented on and observed is close to what we see as we watch games in the Convo.
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   Posted: 4/10/2022 9:57:06 PM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The NCAA, at this point, is just AAU ball played in front of cheerleaders and TV cameras.


And folks willing to shell out big bucks to watch it live.




I have been thinking about this for a week. What is AAU basketball in your mind? Have you been to a lot of AAU tournaments? Would you be able to sit at a table with Bill Self, Hubert Davis or even Jeff Boals and make that case? How does that statement track to those coaches who game plan, watch hours of film, and review the scouting report with their assistants and players? Even at the High School level, there is advanced scouting and game planning that does not seem to correlate with what the term AAU ball connotes.

It is absolutely staggering to hear fans' opinions and try and figure out how they come to see basketball in such finite terms. The statement above makes me want to go find a weekend of AAU games and see if what you have commented on and observed is close to what we see as we watch games in the Convo.


I haven't been to an AAU tournament since I played in them myself in the late 90s. Obviously the level of coaching and game planning is on two different levels as you alluded above.

What has changed in NCAA, to reflect AAU ball, is the "It's all about me and my brand" mentality where the team/university you play for is nothing more than finding a stepping stone or opportunity to "showcase my talent so I can get recognized by the next level". In AAU it's all about getting in front of eyes of NCAA coaches. In NCAA it's all about getting in front of TV cameras and eyes of NBA scouts.

It was around my time that AAU ball started to take over from actual HS sports as the most important way to get recognized. Nobody cared what HS or program you came from. Shoot, don't even play for your HS if you don't want to (though that's generally a bad character look). All that mattered was getting on that big AAU team and traveling all summer.

This inevitably leads to players hopping and jumping from team to team (university to university) every year in search of that better platform for themselves - and therefore every team (university now) has to be rebuilt (re-recruited) from the ground up every single season. There is no comradery, there is no continuity, there is no culture, there is no team building. Honestly there is no TEAM. It's just a collection of individuals vying to "get theirs". There's no time to establish any of that - and what little there might be is strictly due to the name recognition/success of the current coach based on their ability to showcase their guys talents and get them to the next level (see paragraph above).

It's also rife with teams bringing in coaches/assistants in order to land that player (recruit now) - see: Sears, Mark. Considering how that all went down I'm 95% sure Sears never comes to Athens without Lee Martin on our staff. That's an AAU move that usually comes with guaranteed minutes/starts/chances to showcase.

Further, it's rife with exchange of...."goods"....to entice guys to certain teams. Now, with NIL payments, the NCAA teams can just full on hire the AAU guys who've been doing it under the table for years to now go legally find deals, donors and dollars for the ballers.

Those programs willing to bend their every whim and standard to hire the "right" assistants and the "right" promoters/managers, and embrace re-recruiting the entire team every season to help the guys move up and out - are those that will prosper - just like in AAU.

This is why I keep saying this is now big-time, pay-for-play, basketball. No more of this academics, or student athlete nonsense. Not if you want to compete. If it weren't for the crazy $$ the NCAA is making on basketball, my guess is they'd go the way of the dodo bird, just like HS basketball has, in favor of some college version of AAU / G-League hybrid.

In that sense. It's exactly like AAU ball.

Last Edited: 4/10/2022 10:05:23 PM by GraffZ06

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   Posted: 4/10/2022 10:17:18 PM 
^^^= Excellent discourse on the current state of things. This isnít going end well for college athletics.


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   Posted: 4/11/2022 10:43:38 AM 
greencat wrote:
OVC star enter portal today.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/...

Had 32 points vs Murray, 18 rebounds vs Belmont, 15 blocked shots vs ut-Martin.



We can forget this one. He's looking at Gonzaga and Auburn.

Still plenty guys looking for a school.
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   Posted: 4/11/2022 11:20:16 AM 
greencat wrote:
greencat wrote:
OVC star enter portal today.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/...

Had 32 points vs Murray, 18 rebounds vs Belmont, 15 blocked shots vs ut-Martin.



We can forget this one. He's looking at Gonzaga and Auburn.

Still plenty guys looking for a school.


Always plenty of guys looking for a school. That's why 60+% go down to DII, NAIA, JUCO.
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   Posted: 4/11/2022 1:23:23 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
How many years does the NCAA, as we know it, have left?

The inevitable P5/G5 split seems to be closer than I initially thought.

Does the NCAA create a new division?

Do all the power houses leave the NCAA altogether?

Does the NCAA even have a purpose at this point as it relates to D1?


The NCAA is as useful as flight attendants are on a flight from Detroit to Toledo
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   Posted: 4/11/2022 3:01:38 PM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The NCAA, at this point, is just AAU ball played in front of cheerleaders and TV cameras.


And folks willing to shell out big bucks to watch it live.




I have been thinking about this for a week. What is AAU basketball in your mind? Have you been to a lot of AAU tournaments? Would you be able to sit at a table with Bill Self, Hubert Davis or even Jeff Boals and make that case? How does that statement track to those coaches who game plan, watch hours of film, and review the scouting report with their assistants and players? Even at the High School level, there is advanced scouting and game planning that does not seem to correlate with what the term AAU ball connotes.

It is absolutely staggering to hear fans' opinions and try and figure out how they come to see basketball in such finite terms. The statement above makes me want to go find a weekend of AAU games and see if what you have commented on and observed is close to what we see as we watch games in the Convo.


At the higher levels of AAU ball, he's right on the money (no pun intended). Here in SE Ohio, not so much. Some of these higher level AAU "teams" have guys from different states on the same team.

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