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Bobcat Jerry
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  Message Not Read  Everyone gets a ribbon !
   Posted: 12/2/2022 7:55:54 PM 
12 team college playoff seems a bit much. It can't be about the money right ?
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   Posted: 12/3/2022 6:02:23 AM 
Bobcat Jerry wrote:
12 team college playoff seems a bit much. It can't be about the money right ?


The thing that Iím curious about is how this impacts the lower tier bowls (MAC)? The first round playoff games will evidently be played during the weekend before Xmas (Dec 16-22), which is when most of the MAC bowls were programmed. The MAC bowls would lose purpose now as kind of filler games.
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   Posted: 12/3/2022 8:01:02 AM 
Bobcat Jerry wrote:
12 team college playoff seems a bit much. It can't be about the money right ?


Yep, another 450 million. Itís for sure just not about the ribbons
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   Posted: 12/3/2022 2:56:54 PM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
Bobcat Jerry wrote:
12 team college playoff seems a bit much. It can't be about the money right ?


The MAC bowls would lose purpose now as kind of filler games.


Thanks for the chuckle. I donít think anyone outside of the MAC (or SBC, etc) thinks of those as anything but filler now. May as well make it official.
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   Posted: 12/3/2022 4:43:07 PM 
I'm sure the Asparagus Bowl presented by Larry's Mower Repair is at the forefront of these CFP discussions.

Welcome to reality. I don't like it any more than any of you but the reality is the MAC is playing for a chance at irrelevant filler already. But hey, we're a football conference because we have prime time Tuesday night games.
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   Posted: 12/4/2022 1:39:32 AM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
Bobcat Jerry wrote:
12 team college playoff seems a bit much. It can't be about the money right ?


The thing that Iím curious about is how this impacts the lower tier bowls (MAC)? The first round playoff games will evidently be played during the weekend before Xmas (Dec 16-22), which is when most of the MAC bowls were programmed. The MAC bowls would lose purpose now as kind of filler games.


They are literally all filler games. Like Iím legitimately confused by this take. Is the Dollar General Bowl held in high esteem?
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   Posted: 12/4/2022 6:23:38 PM 
I'd like to see other tourneys pop up for fun all at the same place. Maybe 8 team tourneys over the course of 8 days? Is it really that unreasonable to play football games Saturday, Wednesday, Sunday? Bringing multiple fan bases into the fold for the event could help make these destination events for viable. I know it's way outside the box but I'd totally make a vacation out of something like this. I've just never been able to get excited for a bowl game.


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   Posted: 12/4/2022 10:58:32 PM 
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Is it really that unreasonable to play football games Saturday, Wednesday, Sunday?


Yes. It takes a full week to fully recover. The NFL already complains bigly about making guys play Sunday/Thursday. You see more injuries in short weeks. If you tried this, while it would be awesome for fans, it would absolutely suck for the players. Player safety would dictate that you couldn't. You already see guys opting out of bowl games. You'd have half the team opt out of this I imagine.

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   Posted: 12/5/2022 7:21:34 AM 
Bar Stool TV network ? Where do I get a bar stool for my TV ?
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   Posted: 12/8/2022 11:13:28 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Is it really that unreasonable to play football games Saturday, Wednesday, Sunday?


Yes. It takes a full week to fully recover. The NFL already complains bigly about making guys play Sunday/Thursday. You see more injuries in short weeks. If you tried this, while it would be awesome for fans, it would absolutely suck for the players. Player safety would dictate that you couldn't. You already see guys opting out of bowl games. You'd have half the team opt out of this I imagine.



Just seems soft to me. But I come from a baseball play games constantly perspective. I realize football is a physical game. But it'd be only 2 of the 8 teams playing the 3 games and it would be to end their season. They practice throughout the week and are constantly active. I know the scrutiny and whining would be there no question, I just think it's overstated.


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   Posted: 12/8/2022 9:19:49 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Is it really that unreasonable to play football games Saturday, Wednesday, Sunday?


Yes. It takes a full week to fully recover. The NFL already complains bigly about making guys play Sunday/Thursday. You see more injuries in short weeks. If you tried this, while it would be awesome for fans, it would absolutely suck for the players. Player safety would dictate that you couldn't. You already see guys opting out of bowl games. You'd have half the team opt out of this I imagine.



Just seems soft to me. But I come from a baseball play games constantly perspective. I realize football is a physical game. But it'd be only 2 of the 8 teams playing the 3 games and it would be to end their season. They practice throughout the week and are constantly active. I know the scrutiny and whining would be there no question, I just think it's overstated.


Let's have a playoff where everyone makes it. Make it a true national championship tournament.
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   Posted: 12/9/2022 8:51:38 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:

Let's have a playoff where everyone makes it. Make it a true national championship tournament.


Great irrelevant sarcastic insight BTC. Appreciated as always.


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   Posted: 12/9/2022 9:44:20 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Let's have a playoff where everyone makes it. Make it a true national championship tournament.


Great irrelevant sarcastic insight BTC. Appreciated as always.


Nah, that is not sarcasm, its the only way there will ever be a true national championship.
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   Posted: 12/9/2022 9:49:31 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Let's have a playoff where everyone makes it. Make it a true national championship tournament.


Great irrelevant sarcastic insight BTC. Appreciated as always.


Nah, that is not sarcasm, its the only way there will ever be a true national championship.


If they play one game a week, they might crown the national champion before the next season starts.

My need to go to "flag football " and play a couple of games a week.
Then they could set it up like March Madness. :-)

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   Posted: 12/9/2022 9:55:00 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

Let's have a playoff where everyone makes it. Make it a true national championship tournament.


Great irrelevant sarcastic insight BTC. Appreciated as always.


Nah, that is not sarcasm, its the only way there will ever be a true national championship.


If they play one game a week, they might crown the national champion before the next season starts.

My need to go to "flag football " and play a couple of games a week.
Then they could set it up like March Madness. :-)



If anything, it should be larger because the system we currently have does NOT really give us a true representation - you have to win a popularity contest to get in. It's rigged from the get go.
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   Posted: 12/9/2022 10:03:23 AM 
Bobcat110 wrote:
Bobcat Jerry wrote:
12 team college playoff seems a bit much. It can't be about the money right ?


The thing that Iím curious about is how this impacts the lower tier bowls (MAC)? The first round playoff games will evidently be played during the weekend before Xmas (Dec 16-22), which is when most of the MAC bowls were programmed. The MAC bowls would lose purpose now as kind of filler games.


I think it will lessen the importance of what will most certainly considered even more conciliatory bowls - but how much of the national audience really cares about those bowls anyway? I don't really believe the viewing audience changes that much for them. Perhaps they become even more like football's version of the NIT but, they already kinda are. That said, as far as scheduling, you simply schedule the Quicklane, Frisco, and Wasabi bowls of the world on days where there isn't a playoff game. Pretty simple really.
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   Posted: 12/9/2022 12:32:55 PM 
Deion is big at the gate as he put 40,000 fans in the stands at Jackson St.

PAC-12 mostly isn't big recruiting so should be alright.


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   Posted: 12/11/2022 1:49:57 PM 
Bobcat Jerry wrote:
12 team college playoff seems a bit much. It can't be about the money right ?


One of the main arguments by the powers that be was that by expanding the playoff to 12 the possibility of more geographical representation than Ohio-Michigan or Georgia-Alabama than in the 4 team playoff. Top 6 conference champions are guaranteed and when the PAC-12 or ACC has that down year the G5 can very well get a second rep once in a while. There is a second vehicle of a G5 outright finishing in the Top 10-12 without winning the conference, unlikely unless they have a Heisman caliber player. Two G5s might happen once every 6-8 seasons.

Latest I read while they are using bowl games for quarterfinal sites in 2024 and 2025 there is momentum for having those games at home in 2026 and having the semifinals on New Years as its played today. That would mean the first round and semifinal round teams won't be playing in bowl games so the system will need 4 less games, not accounting for the FCS move ups. Then who do you put in the Fiesta, Cotton, Peach, Orange, Sugar when they aren't hosting a semifinal? The entire bowl system as we know it should be redesigned.


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   Posted: 12/11/2022 4:00:23 PM 
I think it should be noted that the first time a team seeded lower than 4 wins the CFP, there will be a resounding whine from fans of the top 4 that it doesnít really matter. The idea that you can make people satisfied with a ďdefinitiveĒ football national champ is naive. SEC doesnít respect a B1G champ who doesnít respect the Big 12 and no one respects the PAC 12 or the AAC. More TV is all that matters here.
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   Posted: 12/11/2022 5:43:09 PM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
I think it should be noted that the first time a team seeded lower than 4 wins the CFP, there will be a resounding whine from fans of the top 4 that it doesnít really matter. The idea that you can make people satisfied with a ďdefinitiveĒ football national champ is naive. SEC doesnít respect a B1G champ who doesnít respect the Big 12 and no one respects the PAC 12 or the AAC. More TV is all that matters here.


That college football fans became so used to a system where deciding who the best team is often didn't involve the best teams playing football against each other doesn't strike me as a good argument against an expanded playoff.

In fact, the opposite seems true to me. Deciding it on the field makes fans' perceptions of other conferences irrelevant.
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   Posted: 12/12/2022 2:18:56 PM 
In the minority and the horse has been beaten to death, but the FCS playoff game I watched this weekend between SDSU-Holy Cross was way more fun to watch compared to Larry's Tire Shop Cheez Whiz Bowl presented by Citizens Bank of Athens County.com.
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   Posted: 12/12/2022 3:04:17 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
In the minority and the horse has been beaten to death, but the FCS playoff game I watched this weekend between SDSU-Holy Cross was way more fun to watch compared to Larry's Tire Shop Cheez Whiz Bowl presented by Citizens Bank of Athens County.com.


It was a more meaningful game than Ohio has played in in the last, I dunno, 40 years? 50? Forever?

I'm in total agreement.
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   Posted: 12/12/2022 3:53:29 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
In the minority and the horse has been beaten to death, but the FCS playoff game I watched this weekend between SDSU-Holy Cross was way more fun to watch compared to Larry's Tire Shop Cheez Whiz Bowl presented by Citizens Bank of Athens County.com.


Any game OHIO is playing is categorically more important than any other game being played that day!


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   Posted: 12/13/2022 10:17:51 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
In the minority and the horse has been beaten to death, but the FCS playoff game I watched this weekend between SDSU-Holy Cross was way more fun to watch compared to Larry's Tire Shop Cheez Whiz Bowl presented by Citizens Bank of Athens County.com.


Any game OHIO is playing is categorically more important than any other game being played that day!


Boom.
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