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   Posted: 12/26/2024 3:11:16 PM 
NIU? Door, butt, slam.
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   Posted: 1/2/2025 6:51:03 PM 
Still no official word from NIU? A friend told me he’d read some “online chatter” indicating that NIU was getting “hesitant about leaving the MAC.” I saw one article that said essentially this about ten days ago, but nothing since. Not sure what to make of the silence. Anybody with any insight?

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   Posted: 1/3/2025 9:57:23 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Still no official word from NIU? A friend told me he’d read some “online chatter” indicating that NIU was getting “hesitant about leaving the MAC.” I saw one article that said essentially this about ten days ago, but nothing since. Not sure what to make of the silence. Anybody with any insight?


I tried to dig into Mountain West finances and it might make sense for them financially, (still skeptical about the cost of all that travel, lodging, etc) because by a lot of accounts they currently operate at the largest deficit in the MAC. (-$3M)

Mountain West schools receive around $6 million annually, with nearly $4 million coming from media value. Median is about $5M, Boise pulls up the average. All but one Mountain West team — San Diego State with a deficit of -$1,348,615 — logged a fiscal profit. Fresno State was around $7M for comparison.

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/how-the-mounta...

MAC teams are paid about $1.5-2.5M from ESPN for MACtion. I'm guessing OU is at the high of that.

Combing through about a million articles it looks like, OU had around $80K in profit from football. They're always hovering around a net profit, though never enough to make any big spends. A lot of projections seem the same. $7M-8M revenue. Roughly $7M-$8M in spend.

NIU is currently operating at around a -$3M deficit. Only one of the schools who showed a profit from football, Ohio University, ended up showing an overall profit in the athletic department. $1.3M.

https://businessofcollegesports.com/finance/how-does-the-... /

So by my calculations, at the end of the day they might not be wearing diamonds and fur, but the additional $3M or so they could get from the MWC could at least get them out of an operational shit show.

Last Edited: 1/3/2025 10:04:31 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 10:24:24 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

MAC teams are paid about $1.5-2.5M from ESPN for MACtion. I'm guessing OU is at the high of that.


Is this right? That's higher than numbers I've seen in the past. I thought the per school payout was much lower -- something like $660k per school.
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 10:35:42 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

MAC teams are paid about $1.5-2.5M from ESPN for MACtion. I'm guessing OU is at the high of that.


Is this right? That's higher than numbers I've seen in the past. I thought the per school payout was much lower -- something like $660k per school.


https://forum.katfans.com/forum/bearkat-nation/fbs-footba...

You might be right. I'm not sure where the UMASS guy was getting their #'s, maybe it also includes basketball?

https://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/8/19/6045303/explaining-t...

"Since then, Brett McMurphy of ESPN (and several others) have reported that this 13-year deal with ESPN is worth more than $100 million, or roughly about $8 million a season."

That's much less.
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 10:49:51 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

MAC teams are paid about $1.5-2.5M from ESPN for MACtion. I'm guessing OU is at the high of that.


Is this right? That's higher than numbers I've seen in the past. I thought the per school payout was much lower -- something like $660k per school.


https://forum.katfans.com/forum/bearkat-nation/fbs-footba...

You might be right. I'm not sure where the UMASS guy was getting their #'s, maybe it also includes basketball?

https://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/8/19/6045303/explaining-t...

"Since then, Brett McMurphy of ESPN (and several others) have reported that this 13-year deal with ESPN is worth more than $100 million, or roughly about $8 million a season."

That's much less.


He was probably including the MAC's cut of CFP money in his total. Just a guess.

NIU needs to consider that the MWC next contract will undoubtedly be for much less because of the defections of its top schools.

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   Posted: 1/3/2025 11:02:04 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

MAC teams are paid about $1.5-2.5M from ESPN for MACtion. I'm guessing OU is at the high of that.


Is this right? That's higher than numbers I've seen in the past. I thought the per school payout was much lower -- something like $660k per school.


https://forum.katfans.com/forum/bearkat-nation/fbs-footba...

You might be right. I'm not sure where the UMASS guy was getting their #'s, maybe it also includes basketball?

https://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/8/19/6045303/explaining-t...

"Since then, Brett McMurphy of ESPN (and several others) have reported that this 13-year deal with ESPN is worth more than $100 million, or roughly about $8 million a season."

That's much less.


He was probably including the MAC's cut of CFP money in his total. Just a guess.

NIU needs to consider that the MWC next contract will undoubtedly be for much less because of the defections of its top schools.


Might be what the hold up is about... decreased overall revenue in the MWC, combined with an extraordinary increase in travel costs for NIU... does that make sense for them considering they already run their program in the red.
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 11:24:00 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

MAC teams are paid about $1.5-2.5M from ESPN for MACtion. I'm guessing OU is at the high of that.


Is this right? That's higher than numbers I've seen in the past. I thought the per school payout was much lower -- something like $660k per school.


https://forum.katfans.com/forum/bearkat-nation/fbs-footba...

You might be right. I'm not sure where the UMASS guy was getting their #'s, maybe it also includes basketball?

https://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/8/19/6045303/explaining-t...

"Since then, Brett McMurphy of ESPN (and several others) have reported that this 13-year deal with ESPN is worth more than $100 million, or roughly about $8 million a season."

That's much less.


The $1.5-2M figure is what the UMass people were told what the MAC SHOULD be getting once they go to renegotiate the TV deal in a couple years - or so that's the rumor over on the MAC board. Which is probably why the only person reporting it is the UMass guy, so maybe he knows something other people don't. Usually when conferences go into theses expansion negotiations they've already got the number from TV to present to possible new members. They (the MAC) goes to ESPN and says "hey, we're gonna pitch UMass, what does the money look like then?"

FWIW both the MAC and Mountain West's TV deals expire in 2026-27, so it will be interesting to see (A) who can get their deal presented to market first and (B) who's will be bigger. With Boise, Fresno, SDSU and others leaving, I can't imagine the new MWC deal is going to be much higher than the MAC.

This could explain why NIU hasn't announced a decision yet.

Last Edited: 1/3/2025 11:26:47 AM by GoCats105
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TV revenue is split evenly among the schools.
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 12:24:50 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

MAC teams are paid about $1.5-2.5M from ESPN for MACtion. I'm guessing OU is at the high of that.


Is this right? That's higher than numbers I've seen in the past. I thought the per school payout was much lower -- something like $660k per school.


https://forum.katfans.com/forum/bearkat-nation/fbs-footba...

You might be right. I'm not sure where the UMASS guy was getting their #'s, maybe it also includes basketball?

https://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/8/19/6045303/explaining-t...

"Since then, Brett McMurphy of ESPN (and several others) have reported that this 13-year deal with ESPN is worth more than $100 million, or roughly about $8 million a season."

That's much less.


The $1.5-2M figure is what the UMass people were told what the MAC SHOULD be getting once they go to renegotiate the TV deal in a couple years - or so that's the rumor over on the MAC board. Which is probably why the only person reporting it is the UMass guy, so maybe he knows something other people don't. Usually when conferences go into theses expansion negotiations they've already got the number from TV to present to possible new members. They (the MAC) goes to ESPN and says "hey, we're gonna pitch UMass, what does the money look like then?"

FWIW both the MAC and Mountain West's TV deals expire in 2026-27, so it will be interesting to see (A) who can get their deal presented to market first and (B) who's will be bigger. With Boise, Fresno, SDSU and others leaving, I can't imagine the new MWC deal is going to be much higher than the MAC.

This could explain why NIU hasn't announced a decision yet.


Expanding and adding teams gives the MWC reason to renegotiate the deal, so it's pretty likely they won't have to wait until 26-27 for a new deal.

I wonder if any of the other G5 leagues would consider trying to snake the MAC's mid-week games from ESPN. A conference like the MWC could basically offer bigger media markets while still capturing the coveted degenerate gambler demo, and the mid-week thing works.
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 12:29:33 PM 
There is confusion sometimes on conference payout which includes basketball revenue and reimbursement for bowl games and TV media payout. Then there is also the cost of travel and how much you're paying the staffs.

MWC is going to cost NIU more but they could say to themselves they want to spend more on athletics figuring the prestige of the MWC outweighs the cost.

What is Ohio's situation? In recent years in particular the university is spending 30 million a year in merit aid scholarships. The applicant pool is stronger on average, up there with the top schools in-state and the need is there for that merit aid to compete. Higher level conferences are going to redirect more institutional money into athletics. Where its been that once in a while athletics lands a transformative gift is fine but it's probably best overall for the university when 95% of giving is going to academics.

NIU however is not competing really for the scholarship student and is gambling they can use the MWC to generate better fan support, stronger alumni giving whereas Ohio already has that engagement in the MAC.

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   Posted: 1/3/2025 1:10:53 PM 
They’re gone in 2026.

I don’t care how much people on here say that’s good , I’m not buying it. It will hurt the MAC.

Last Edited: 1/3/2025 1:12:18 PM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 1:17:33 PM 
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They’re gone in 2026.

I don’t care how much people on here say that’s good , I’m not buying it. It will hurt the MAC.


What do you think they brought to the table that isn't easily, and better replicated by UMASS?
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 1:25:43 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
They’re gone in 2026.

I don’t care how much people on here say that’s good , I’m not buying it. It will hurt the MAC.


What do you think they brought to the table that isn't easily, and better replicated by UMASS?


That’s a whole different issue, but I’ll take the bait - a real football team with a tradition of winning. UMASS may eventually be that team, but easily replicate?

How many times, in this season have we heard-ND was beaten by NIU of the MAC? Does that add value?

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   Posted: 1/3/2025 1:32:39 PM 
Gloria Navarez - one of the dumbest human beings on the planet just outflanked Dr Jon Steinbrecher and his merry band of idiots. Let that sink in.

There needs to be a vote of no confidence on this clown ASAP, but I assume Gonzales and her peers are busy playing Minesweeper or Solitaire with no plans to actually get off their asses.
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Bobcat Love wrote:
Gloria Navarez - one of the dumbest human beings on the planet just outflanked Dr Jon Steinbrecher and his merry band of idiots. Let that sink in.

There needs to be a vote of no confidence on this clown ASAP, but I assume Gonzales and her peers are busy playing Minesweeper or Solitaire with no plans to actually get off their asses.


You’re great at throwing out insults-why do you think she’s so dumb? It’s surprising she made it through UC-Berkeley law school.
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 4:09:41 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
They’re gone in 2026.

I don’t care how much people on here say that’s good , I’m not buying it. It will hurt the MAC.


What do you think they brought to the table that isn't easily, and better replicated by UMASS?


That’s a whole different issue, but I’ll take the bait - a real football team with a tradition of winning. UMASS may eventually be that team, but easily replicate?

How many times, in this season have we heard-ND was beaten by NIU of the MAC? Does that add value?


I mean... they're a fine football team, with minimal support, that has won 2 of their last 9 bowl games and has two 10 win seasons over the last 12 years. They did get a huge win against ND. I haven't stopped applauding them for it. Even when they lost 4 of the next 6.

Does people trying to roast ND for losing to a bad NIU team add value...? Enough to weep when they leave? I submit that it does not. But occasionally the MAC is mentioned, so maybe there is some dollar value added to the mocking.

Now do basketball.. where the UMASS program is in a different library let alone same page.

UMass will likely never be all that good at football, the prize here is basketball.

Last Edited: 1/3/2025 4:11:16 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 5:10:36 PM 
This is baffling to me still. Not really sure what NIU gains, don’t really see the MAC losing too much from it.

One pro, our share of the media deal and bowl payouts will be less diluted now that we’ll be at 12 instead of 13.
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   Posted: 1/3/2025 6:44:23 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
They’re gone in 2026.

I don’t care how much people on here say that’s good , I’m not buying it. It will hurt the MAC.


What do you think they brought to the table that isn't easily, and better replicated by UMASS?


That’s a whole different issue, but I’ll take the bait - a real football team with a tradition of winning. UMASS may eventually be that team, but easily replicate?

How many times, in this season have we heard-ND was beaten by NIU of the MAC? Does that add value?


I mean... they're a fine football team, with minimal support, that has won 2 of their last 9 bowl games and has two 10 win seasons over the last 12 years. They did get a huge win against ND. I haven't stopped applauding them for it. Even when they lost 4 of the next 6.

Does people trying to roast ND for losing to a bad NIU team add value...? Enough to weep when they leave? I submit that it does not. But occasionally the MAC is mentioned, so maybe there is some dollar value added to the mocking.

Now do basketball.. where the UMASS program is in a different library let alone same page.

UMass will likely never be all that good at football, the prize here is basketball.


This is so funny. NIU has won 5 MAC football in the last 20 years, and our record against them seems dismal to me.
I’m not sure who is weeping that they’re leaving but I still think we will miss them-they’re one of the top 3-4 teams in the league-how can that help the MAC? Agreed their support is lousy, but that’s the MAC for you-it ain’t getting better anywhere here that I can see.

So the prize here is basketball with UMASS, huh. They have made the NCAA tourney once since 1997!! One time ! They’re had 7 winning seasons in the past 20 years! 7 winning seasons and they’re the prize winner for their basketball program. That is pretty sorry.

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   Posted: 1/3/2025 6:52:12 PM 
cbarber357 wrote:
This is baffling to me still. Not really sure what NIU gains, don’t really see the MAC losing too much from it.

One pro, our share of the media deal and bowl payouts will be less diluted now that we’ll be at 12 instead of 13.


And losing NIU will not help when the new ESPN contract comes around in 2026. I hope we can get another team to qualify for a bowl with NIU not around to go to one.
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colobobcat66 wrote:
cbarber357 wrote:
This is baffling to me still. Not really sure what NIU gains, don’t really see the MAC losing too much from it.

One pro, our share of the media deal and bowl payouts will be less diluted now that we’ll be at 12 instead of 13.


And losing NIU will not help when the new ESPN contract comes around in 2026. I hope we can get another team to qualify for a bowl with NIU not around to go to one.


Which is ridiculous. No one in ChicagoLand gives a rats ass about NIU; same goes for Rutgers and NYC. TV media markets shouldn't mean much when no one is watching the product.

UMASS seems to be taking football more seriously. I'd target U Albany or Delaware to give them a travel partner and keep them in the league instead of them leaving for CUSA.

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   Posted: 1/4/2025 1:28:05 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
They’re gone in 2026.

I don’t care how much people on here say that’s good , I’m not buying it. It will hurt the MAC.


What do you think they brought to the table that isn't easily, and better replicated by UMASS?


That’s a whole different issue, but I’ll take the bait - a real football team with a tradition of winning. UMASS may eventually be that team, but easily replicate?

How many times, in this season have we heard-ND was beaten by NIU of the MAC? Does that add value?


I mean... they're a fine football team, with minimal support, that has won 2 of their last 9 bowl games and has two 10 win seasons over the last 12 years. They did get a huge win against ND. I haven't stopped applauding them for it. Even when they lost 4 of the next 6.

Does people trying to roast ND for losing to a bad NIU team add value...? Enough to weep when they leave? I submit that it does not. But occasionally the MAC is mentioned, so maybe there is some dollar value added to the mocking.

Now do basketball.. where the UMASS program is in a different library let alone same page.

UMass will likely never be all that good at football, the prize here is basketball.


I’m asking a serious question, because I don’t know, but when was UMass last relevant in basketball?
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   Posted: 1/4/2025 1:28:55 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
cbarber357 wrote:
This is baffling to me still. Not really sure what NIU gains, don’t really see the MAC losing too much from it.

One pro, our share of the media deal and bowl payouts will be less diluted now that we’ll be at 12 instead of 13.


And losing NIU will not help when the new ESPN contract comes around in 2026. I hope we can get another team to qualify for a bowl with NIU not around to go to one.


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   Posted: 1/4/2025 2:01:03 PM 
MiamiBlowsChunks wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
cbarber357 wrote:
This is baffling to me still. Not really sure what NIU gains, don’t really see the MAC losing too much from it.

One pro, our share of the media deal and bowl payouts will be less diluted now that we’ll be at 12 instead of 13.


And losing NIU will not help when the new ESPN contract comes around in 2026. I hope we can get another team to qualify for a bowl with NIU not around to go to one.


Which is ridiculous. No one in ChicagoLand gives a rats ass about NIU; same goes for Rutgers and NYC. TV media markets shouldn't mean much when no one is watching the product.

UMASS seems to be taking football more seriously. I'd target U Albany or Delaware to give them a travel partner and keep them in the league instead of them leaving for CUSA.


I nominate this poster for Idiot of the Year....impressive, we have a crowded slate of nominees on here....
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   Posted: 1/4/2025 6:01:23 PM 
MiamiBlowsChunks wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
cbarber357 wrote:
This is baffling to me still. Not really sure what NIU gains, don’t really see the MAC losing too much from it.

One pro, our share of the media deal and bowl payouts will be less diluted now that we’ll be at 12 instead of 13.


And losing NIU will not help when the new ESPN contract comes around in 2026. I hope we can get another team to qualify for a bowl with NIU not around to go to one.


Which is ridiculous. No one in ChicagoLand gives a rats ass about NIU; same goes for Rutgers and NYC. TV media markets shouldn't mean much when no one is watching the product.

UMASS seems to be taking football more seriously. I'd target U Albany or Delaware to give them a travel partner and keep them in the league instead of them leaving for CUSA.


Why would UMass go to CUSA when it a step down in media deal?

Why would another conference covet UMass when the football team is so poor?

20 years ago you could have said the same for Ohio and Buffalo but not now.

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