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Topic: RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Topic: RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

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GoCats105
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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/24/2021 6:13:48 PM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

mf279801 wrote:

SBH wrote:

I'd love for the game to be in Canton.

Bleh, I�d rather they play the game on campus in Mt. Pleasant than in Canton

HoF stadium is awesome and a great atmosphere

With zero taverns or restaurants within short walking distance. Recall that fans are not there to watch football; it is all about the jumbotron, the restrooms, how long the lines to get a hot dog happen to be and how is the cell phone reception.

The atmosphere is way different since they updated the stadium. Frankly it's an upgrade from Peden and I don't think we have any right to complain.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/25/2021 10:24:40 AM

oubobcatjohn wrote:

add LTU, WKy, MT and FIU for a MAC south with MAC north niu,emu,cmu, wmu mac central toledo,bg, miami, bsu and mac east ohio, ub, kent st and akron. 16 team Big MAC would counter the AAC and Sun Belt and move MAC ahead of MWC.

Ummmm....no thanks on La Tech and FIU.

Let's just go with this and be done with it:

GoCats105 wrote:

C-USA is desperate. Rumor has it looking at several FCS schools, including Tarleton State. Seriously MAC, do the damn thing and invite WKU and MTSU.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/25/2021 10:27:58 AM

Pataskala wrote:

ohio9704 wrote:

Pete Chouteau wrote:

MAC expansion would be an error.

Any membership change would mean re-negotiating TV contracts.

TV money is only going down.

I get that argument. But, who knows what the future has for folks like Akron or Eastern Michigan. I think bigger is better right now. It's not like we are adding UTEP and having to travel all the way there. These teams expand the geographic footprint, but not in a massive expense way. Western Kentucky is about an hour from Nashville and MTSU about 40 minutes.

The ESPN contract goes through 2026-27, so there might not be renegotiation there. But I think CUSA's big contract is with CBS and expires in 2022-23. The MAC's contract with CBS also expires then, so negotiations to renew that contract will be coming up if they haven't already started. CBS could have some extra cash if it chooses not to negotiate with what's left of CUSA.

Good discussion here. I'm in agreement with the more is better right now re: EMU & Akron. Holding serve this time around, in my opinion, is the wrong move. In the past I agree with it because of geography and travel expenses. Now, I think holding serve is dangerous for the conference as a whole.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/25/2021 11:30:44 AM

This morning's news is that C-USA has reached out to currently Independent New Mexico State and FCS members Tarleton State and Sam Houston State.

Cmon MAC. Dooooo it. Hilltoppers is a great MAC mascot.

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Interesting tidbit about James Madison to the Sun Belt: they have to get state approval before the can transition from FCS to FBS.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college/sun-belt-could-b...

Last Edited: 10/25/2021 11:40:59 AM by GoCats105

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/25/2021 11:58:40 AM

Seems like most MAC fan bases would welcome WKU, not sure on MTSU. Some would like to stay at 12 also and don't want to feel like a lifeboat when they'll just be looking elsewhere soon.

Also, really don't get that MAC fans want UMass again. We've done that already and it sucked. Unless they come for all sports I have no interest in that. Even then it's a stretch.

https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-932678.html

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 10:30:20 AM

Southern Miss and Old Dominion have officially been added to the Sun Belt. Southern Miss intends to join the league no later than July 1, 2023.

Marshall is expected to sign next, followed by James Madison.

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Over on the MAC boards, its rumored to believe that the MAC was pursuing Marshall and WKU, but would only take both. With Marshall going to the Sun Belt an invite to WKU may not happen.

Last Edited: 10/27/2021 10:34:20 AM by GoCats105

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 11:06:58 AM

Maybe I'll just become an App State football fan. It's a nice town in a growing and prospering conference.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 11:24:00 AM

OU_Country wrote:

Maybe I'll just become an App State football fan. It's a nice town in a growing and prospering conference.

I've been a fan of theirs since 2007 when they beat Michigan. And I was a Michigan fan at the time.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 12:34:56 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Tarleton and Sam Houston are part of the WAC and NMSU is WAC for all sports but football. The plan has been for the WAC to have a 1AA football conference with seven members to start -- Abilene Christian, Lamar, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, Southern Utah, Tarleton State and Dixie State -- and add two other members later on. Then by 2030 the whole conference would join NMSU at the 1A level. So far, all but Southern Utah (still Big Sky) have joined EKU, Central Arkansas and Jacksonville St in something called the ASUN-WAC Challenge. The move by CUSA could be just a stop-gap to keep from losing conference status. I could see UTEP joining the WAC teams but it would be a big step down for LaTech, MTSU and WKU on a permanent basis.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 1:25:21 PM

Pataskala wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Yeah and I think that's the reason most WKU fans really want to be in something other than C-USA. In order to keep their autobid for the NCAA Tournament the conference has to have at least eight members. When the dust settles as of now they'll have five.

WKU wasn't thrilled about going back to the SBC, mostly because they don't care as much about basketball as they do football. And the SBC held a grudge against WKU for leaving to go to C-USA. Marshall stated some of the same desires to have a stronger basketball conference as well, but they appear to be headed to the SBC simply for the football product.

Football drives the bus and a combination of Marshall, App State, Louisiana, Coastal Carolina and FBS transition James Madison is a great place to start. That doesn't even include rising program in urban Atlanta in Georgia State and usually solid Georgia Southern. That's a pretty damn good conference football wise.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 1:57:09 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

On the UTEP front, getting NMSU along with the Texas schools to consider moving to FBS pretty quick with make the WAC a pretty solid circuit in a lot of sports, and for most sports would be a solid travel league. Yeah, the trek to Seattle would suck, but the rest of the league regionally would be solid.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 2:14:00 PM

This whole conversation feels like the embodiement of the expression "rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic."

It feels very much like the writing's on the wall for the non P conferences, and that's not changing regardless of which groupings of each other they come up with.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 2:45:00 PM

Last Edited: 10/27/2021 2:55:28 PM by GoCats105

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 2:54:30 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I think that's why, with the exception of the AAC, most of these conferences want to be as regional as possible. If and when the well dries up and you can't afford the travel, being able to bus your volleyball team on a Wednesday night makes so much more sense in the long run.

I'm not thrilled the MAC isn't being a tad more aggressive, because I do think the league needs a little bit of juice and new members would do the trick. But being as regional as it is, there's only a handful of schools the MAC could realistically go after and still maintain that mentality. So I totally understand not overreaching your borders. And not taking flyers on football only programs is absolutely the right move.

-WKU fit the bill. And they love basketball which makes the conference stronger in that regard.

-Marshall definitely fits that bill.

-MTSU is a little further than you'd like, but think of MTSU like you would an NIU or Buffalo. Kind of far removed from most, but still close enough for some. And Murfreesboro is about 45 min from a cool as hell city in Nashville in the event you did have to fly.

-Army is in the footprint, but I don't see them ever giving up their independent status.

Other than those? You're talking schools moving from FCS to FBS. There's not really anyone else close that isn't already taken or in better situations.

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Taking this a step further, I'm going to be very interested in seeing what happens if the power leagues decide they no longer need the basement dwellers. If you're someone like Purdue, Indiana, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, etc...I'd be scared as hell thinking about 25-30 (let's call it 32 for giggles) make their own league and become a pseudo farm system for the NFL. What happens to those schools?

Last Edited: 10/27/2021 2:55:07 PM by GoCats105

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 3:02:25 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Wouldn't be surprised to see separate playoffs for the "P"s and the Gs by 2030. The "P"s have successfully locked the Gs out of the playoffs so far and they just gobbled up three of the four teams that consistently wind up in the top 15. "P"s will scream bloody murder if the committee follows the recent recommendation and allows the highest-ranking G champ in the playoff and that team isn't even in the top 15. Huggins has been making noise again about splitting March Madness, but too many one through four seeds get bumped off in the first round by 13+ plus seeds every year, so splitting the tourney would kill a lot of interest it. That kind of thing hasn't been allowed to happen in the football playoff, so nobody would miss it.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 3:47:43 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

If Cincinnati wins out and wins out in dominant fashion and gets left out of the playoff, a G5 team will never make the cut in the current format (which is probably only going to be around for a few more years).

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 4:06:13 PM

OUcats82 wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

If Cincinnati wins out, I�m pretty confident that they�re in.

For what it�s worth, to the question �Cincinnati to make 2021 College Football Playoffs� FanDuel is currently offering YES at +128 and NO at -164, which works out to about a 40% implied probability of making the playoffs. (Note, the possibility that Cincinnati does not win out is encompassed within the NO bet, along with the possibility they win out and are excluded)

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 4:20:50 PM

mf279801 wrote:

OUcats82 wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Of course, Cincy -- along with BYU, Houston and UCF -- will be "P" teams in a couple years when they join the B12. That'll leave the G5 pickins pretty slim in most seasons.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/27/2021 7:00:59 PM

Don't really know what this means ultimately for Marshall in terms of conference affilation going forward, but some of the guys and gals on herdfans.com are having conniption fits over this tweet from the chairman of the Board of Governors:

https://tinyurl.com/yrjsjue8

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/28/2021 7:16:50 AM

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If Cincinnati wins out, I�m pretty confident that they�re in.

I think Alabama or Ohio State will need to lose again for Cincinnati to get in.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/28/2021 10:10:05 AM

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If Cincinnati wins out, I�m pretty confident that they�re in.

I think Alabama or Ohio State will need to lose again for Cincinnati to get in.

There's a logical fallacy in these two statements, when looked at together. So, if O$U doesn't lose again and UC wins out, what happens?

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/28/2021 10:40:18 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Hooligan wrote:

If Cincinnati wins out, I�m pretty confident that they�re in.

I think Alabama or Ohio State will need to lose again for Cincinnati to get in.

There's a logical fallacy in these two statements, when looked at together. So, if O$U doesn't lose again and UC wins out, what happens?

I don't think OSU is the team UC needs to worry about.

UC needs:

-Alabama to lose to Georgia in the SEC Championship. Putting a second SEC team with two losses in over an undefeated UC would cause huge uproars and set a ridiculous precedent.

-The other way around though? Especially if it's close, two SEC teams getting in is very possible if both only have one loss. It's happened before.

-Oregon. If Oregon wins out and has the same record as Ohio State, logic tells us that Oregon should be in over Ohio State since they already played and Oregon won. But this is the CFP committee we're talking about here and they do dumb stuff. If Oregon loses again, that not only knocks them out but also makes OSU's loss look worse in comparison. So what I'm saying is, you should root like hell for Oregon State to win the Civil War. Go Beavers! Actually no, we want Oregon in and OSU to lose as many as possible. So go Ducks. Idk. Whatever.

-Then there's Oklahoma. I don't know how they get through their schedule without a loss, especially knowing how they looked against Kansas. If it comes down to 1-loss Oklahoma vs. undefeated Cincinnati then we may have some juice.

Last Edited: 10/28/2021 10:44:16 AM by GoCats105

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/28/2021 12:17:43 PM

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I don't know how much this will play into Marshall's decision, but they decided on alum Brad Smith as their new President today.

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/28/2021 1:10:07 PM

Smith is a very accomplished guy, but I want it known that I took his wife to my ninth grade homecoming dance

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RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment

Posted: 10/28/2021 1:48:08 PM

SBH wrote:

Smith is a very accomplished guy, but I want it known that I took his wife to my ninth grade homecoming dance

Did he mind that you took his wife?

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