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Topic:  RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment (NT)
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   Posted: 10/28/2021 1:50:32 PM 

Last Edited: 10/28/2021 1:51:11 PM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 10/28/2021 3:42:08 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Hooligan wrote:
If Cincinnati wins out, I’m pretty confident that they’re in.

I think Alabama or Ohio State will need to lose again for Cincinnati to get in.


There's a logical fallacy in these two statements, when looked at together. So, if O$U doesn't lose again and UC wins out, what happens?



I don't think OSU is the team UC needs to worry about.

UC needs:

-Alabama to lose to Georgia in the SEC Championship. Putting a second SEC team with two losses in over an undefeated UC would cause huge uproars and set a ridiculous precedent.

-The other way around though? Especially if it's close, two SEC teams getting in is very possible if both only have one loss. It's happened before.

-Oregon. If Oregon wins out and has the same record as Ohio State, logic tells us that Oregon should be in over Ohio State since they already played and Oregon won. But this is the CFP committee we're talking about here and they do dumb stuff. If Oregon loses again, that not only knocks them out but also makes OSU's loss look worse in comparison. So what I'm saying is, you should root like hell for Oregon State to win the Civil War. Go Beavers! Actually no, we want Oregon in and OSU to lose as many as possible. So go Ducks. Idk. Whatever.

-Then there's Oklahoma. I don't know how they get through their schedule without a loss, especially knowing how they looked against Kansas. If it comes down to 1-loss Oklahoma vs. undefeated Cincinnati then we may have some juice.


Oklahoma's last three games aren't exactly easy with Baylor, Iowa State, and Okie State.

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   Posted: 10/28/2021 5:32:49 PM 

Last Edited: 10/28/2021 5:33:14 PM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 10/28/2021 5:36:47 PM 
SBH wrote:
Smith is a very accomplished guy, but I want it known that I took his wife to my ninth grade homecoming dance


What's more impressive? That you took Smith's future wife to homecoming dance or that you took the future wife of a certain Bobcat running back (circa 1980) on a date during the summer between your freshman and sophomore years at Ohio University?
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   Posted: 10/28/2021 6:59:31 PM 
SBH wrote:
Smith is a very accomplished guy, but I want it known that I took his wife to my ninth grade homecoming dance.


Well, the plot thickens.

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   Posted: 10/28/2021 10:01:28 PM 
The Athletic reporting C-USA talking to New Mexico State, Liberty and UConn (football only)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a trash league that would be.
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 12:16:11 AM 
There's now a rumor on the MAC board that the MAC is in talks with UMass to come back for all sports along with WKU. Apparently MTSU is being left out. UMass is apparently desperate and is seriously considering the all-sports offer, which they had rejected before. The MAC has said all sports or no deal. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. These same folks are saying that Marshall was the first choice and WKU the second, which seems to imply Marshall is now out of the picture. But, like here, this is a sports board where everyone is an instant expert whether they know what they are talking about or not. As usual the MAC is keeping everything close to the vest; when it's added teams in the past like Temple, UMass and UCF for football only, nobody really knew about it until it was announced. They run a tight ship, if not necessarily one that has the greatest braintrust in the history of collegiate sports administration. ;-)

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   Posted: 10/29/2021 12:22:38 AM 
If the MAC was adding I would invite Marshall, WKU, MTSU as well as Liberty. Liberty basically has ultra modern facilities and a boat load of $$$$. It is also not that far away. If any of the above pass and the MAC needed a 4th it would either be UMass or UConn with the stipulation it is for all sports, not just football.
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  Message Not Read  RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment
   Posted: 10/29/2021 9:11:18 AM 
ou79 wrote:
If the MAC was adding I would invite Marshall, WKU, MTSU as well as Liberty. Liberty basically has ultra modern facilities and a boat load of $$$$. It is also not that far away. If any of the above pass and the MAC needed a 4th it would either be UMass or UConn with the stipulation it is for all sports, not just football.


I'd rather not deal with the B.S. going on at Liberty. Seems like a sketchy place I don't wanna get in bed with. And UConn is not leaving the Big East in their other sports to join the MAC.

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   Posted: 10/29/2021 9:13:53 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
There's now a rumor on the MAC board that the MAC is in talks with UMass to come back for all sports along with WKU. Apparently MTSU is being left out. UMass is apparently desperate and is seriously considering the all-sports offer, which they had rejected before. The MAC has said all sports or no deal. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. These same folks are saying that Marshall was the first choice and WKU the second, which seems to imply Marshall is now out of the picture. But, like here, this is a sports board where everyone is an instant expert whether they know what they are talking about or not. As usual the MAC is keeping everything close to the vest; when it's added teams in the past like Temple, UMass and UCF for football only, nobody really knew about it until it was announced. They run a tight ship, if not necessarily one that has the greatest braintrust in the history of collegiate sports administration. ;-)


Ok if they do that UMass thing, they completely throw their entire philosophy out the window. The MAC's whole reason for standing pat during this whole process was that nobody "fit the current footprint" of the league except for a handful of schools. I really don't see the benefit of adding UMass for football over MTSU. If you're gonna take WKU, give them a rival within 90 miles of the school so they don't feel as remote. I can't imagine doing the UMass thing simply as a basketball decision, but it's a complete left turn from what the MAC has said over and over again.
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  Message Not Read  RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment
   Posted: 10/29/2021 11:40:37 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
There's now a rumor on the MAC board that the MAC is in talks with UMass to come back for all sports along with WKU. Apparently MTSU is being left out. UMass is apparently desperate and is seriously considering the all-sports offer, which they had rejected before. The MAC has said all sports or no deal. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. These same folks are saying that Marshall was the first choice and WKU the second, which seems to imply Marshall is now out of the picture. But, like here, this is a sports board where everyone is an instant expert whether they know what they are talking about or not. As usual the MAC is keeping everything close to the vest; when it's added teams in the past like Temple, UMass and UCF for football only, nobody really knew about it until it was announced. They run a tight ship, if not necessarily one that has the greatest braintrust in the history of collegiate sports administration. ;-)


Ok if they do that UMass thing, they completely throw their entire philosophy out the window. The MAC's whole reason for standing pat during this whole process was that nobody "fit the current footprint" of the league except for a handful of schools. I really don't see the benefit of adding UMass for football over MTSU. If you're gonna take WKU, give them a rival within 90 miles of the school so they don't feel as remote. I can't imagine doing the UMass thing simply as a basketball decision, but it's a complete left turn from what the MAC has said over and over again.


Also, if you're UMass why leave a b-ball conference that regularly gets 3 or 4 teams in The Dance every year and go to a perennial one-bid league? Just to try and save a floundering football program that would be better off moving to 1AA? Doesn't make sense. (Now watch it happen.)

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  Message Not Read  RE: AAC, C-USA, and Sun Belt Realignment
   Posted: 10/29/2021 1:46:08 PM 
Confirmed today: Marshall to the Sun Belt.
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 2:24:18 PM 
SBC fans to learn what its like to be threatened during games, have the other team's fans blow whistles to stop play, have their cars vandalized...good times.
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 2:36:11 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Confirmed today: Marshall to the Sun Belt.


That’s a pity. Even though their joining the SBC was reported days ago and widely expected (with apologies to OCF), i was really hoping they wouldn’t go Sunbelt. I was really hoping they would either try to stick with CUSA or hold out for an AAC invite that wasn’t coming and be forced into involuntary FBS Independence.

(In any case, very happy the MAC didn’t welcome these duplicitous bas…illegitimate children back a 3rd time
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 2:40:34 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Confirmed today: Marshall to the Sun Belt.


That’s a pity. Even though their joining the SBC was reported days ago and widely expected (with apologies to OCF), i was really hoping they wouldn’t go Sunbelt. I was really hoping they would either try to stick with CUSA or hold out for an AAC invite that wasn’t coming and be forced into involuntary FBS Independence.

(In any case, very happy the MAC didn’t welcome these duplicitous bas…illegitimate children back a 3rd time


Agreed on your last line there. Sadly for our sentiments, they're probably better off in the Sunbelt than the MAC.
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 2:41:07 PM 
Well, we’ll now see if the MAC brass has the good sense to add WKU and MTSU or UMASS (all sports). It actually makes too much sense that it’s probably dead on arrival. But we shall see.

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   Posted: 10/29/2021 2:52:06 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Well, we’ll now see if the MAC brass has the good sense to add WKU and MTSU or UMASS (all sports). It actually makes too much sense that it’s probably dead on arrival. But we shall see.


I have almost zero faith that they'll attempt to make such a move with WKU or MTSU, despite it being a no-brainer.

Conversations with Marshall, WKU, JMU, etc should have started the moment they knew about UC, Houston, et al moving to the Big 12. It would not shock me that they haven't had any conversations with any additional schools besides Marshall.

Also, personally, hard no thanks on UMass because I'm not sure how they'd really fit.
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 3:34:30 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Well, we’ll now see if the MAC brass has the good sense to add WKU and MTSU or UMASS (all sports). It actually makes too much sense that it’s probably dead on arrival. But we shall see.


Ok I'll bite. How does UMass make sense? They provide almost no value football wise and haven't been relevant in basketball for a long time (last tournament appearance was 2014). Plus it would only add to our travel budget because nobody besides maybe Buffalo can bus there.

I want no part of UMass unless another group of East Coast schools was coming with them and it made sense. The MAC "could" or perhaps even "should" have looked into this when they had Temple and UMass on the fringes, especially with UConn now nowhere to land for football. But now? No thanks.

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   Posted: 10/29/2021 3:37:19 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Well, we’ll now see if the MAC brass has the good sense to add WKU and MTSU or UMASS (all sports). It actually makes too much sense that it’s probably dead on arrival. But we shall see.


I have almost zero faith that they'll attempt to make such a move with WKU or MTSU, despite it being a no-brainer.

Conversations with Marshall, WKU, JMU, etc should have started the moment they knew about UC, Houston, et al moving to the Big 12. It would not shock me that they haven't had any conversations with any additional schools besides Marshall.

Also, personally, hard no thanks on UMass because I'm not sure how they'd really fit.


They should have been looking at it during the OU/Texas announcement or perhaps even before that. It was written in the tea leaves a long time ago that another round of realignment was bound to happen. I just think the MAC is too set in their Midwest footing to do anything other than casually glance at another school they already had (Marshall) and another they almost had back in 2005 (WKU).
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 3:37:43 PM 
Pataskala wrote:


Also, if you're UMass why leave a b-ball conference that regularly gets 3 or 4 teams in The Dance every year and go to a perennial one-bid league? Just to try and save a floundering football program that would be better off moving to 1AA? Doesn't make sense. (Now watch it happen.)


The league may have multiple bids, but UMass has only been to the tournament once in the last 23 years and hasn't won a tournament game in more than a quarter century. They're not recruiting a single player who knows about their previous success in the mid-90s. They probably have a belief that they're a basketball school, but those days are long gone.

(For reference, OHIO has four appearances and 4 wins in that time frame.)
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 3:52:13 PM 
Yeah, UMASS doesn’t interest me at all, would probably be an actively negative move (doesn’t add value in media portfolio terms and massively increases travel expense, especially for not_football/not_basketball.

MTSU and Western Kentucky, on the other hand…that one seems more appealing to me
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mf279801 wrote:
Yeah, UMASS doesn’t interest me at all, would probably be an actively negative move (doesn’t add value in media portfolio terms and massively increases travel expense, especially for not_football/not_basketball.

MTSU and Western Kentucky, on the other hand…that one seems more appealing to me


Same. I was really hoping the MAC would do something outlandish and think outside of the box for once, adding 4 schools in the South and making it a 16-team super G5 league with pods instead of divisions. Somewhat similar to what they do in soccer. But, for naught. It's fun to pretend.

East (Rust Belt Pod aka we're better at basketball pod)
Buffalo
Akron
Kent State
Ohio

South (Blue Ridge Pod)
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Transition FCS->FBS (James Madison, Eastern Kentucky, etc)

West (The Plains Pod)
Northern Illinois
Ball State
Miami
Bowling Green

North (Great Lakes Pod)
Toledo
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan

-Go to a 9-game conference schedule

-You play each team in your pod (3 games), have a permanent crossover (1 game), then the remaining (5 games) are just on some rotation basis so that you both host and visit every team within 4 years. This way each athlete on your roster plays at every stadium in the conference at least once. I don't think that happens now in a division scenario, though it should.

-Obviously Ohio-Miami and Bowling Green-Toledo would be permanent crossovers. But you could come up with some other really good ones, I think.

-Hell you could even take it one step further and have a mini 4-team playoff with the winners of each pod to decide your conference champ.

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   Posted: 10/29/2021 5:46:06 PM 
Hold your horses folks:

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1454198599399641092...
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   Posted: 10/29/2021 8:08:15 PM 
UConn confirms that it's exploring joining CUSA as a football-only member. Liberty and NMSU also are discussing CUSA membership.

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   Posted: 10/29/2021 9:52:52 PM 
"Liberty" is tainted goods...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/liberty-university-students-ra...

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