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Topic: RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Topic: RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 8/24/2023 10:57:10 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

That is exactly my point. All we have heard about it at this point is the defendant and his lawyer talking about how he did nothing wrong. Woopity do. That is a prototypical situation to say "there are 2 sides to every story." That's all.

Forgive me for having doubts that a former Deadspin reporter hacked Fox News to break that all important story about Kanye West being a crazy person.

And forgive me for considering that a raging liberal that loathes Fox News might have done a little more here than he is leading on. This may come as a surprise to you, but people charged with crimes often say they didn't do it when they did, or as I suggested, at least did something a little nefarious.

What's the distinction you're drawing between "committing a crime" and "something a little nefarious" -- what's something "a little nefarious" that would warrant an FBI raid?

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 8/24/2023 12:46:52 PM

I did not attempt to draw any such distinction nor should I have to based on my comments. I never said "yay FBI go get them I am sure it is warranted!"

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 8/24/2023 1:38:16 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

This may come as a surprise to you, but people charged with crimes often say they didn't do it when they did, or as I suggested, at least did something a little nefarious.

Hmmm, can't put my finger on it, but this reminds me of someone in the news a lot the past few years. This person I'm thinking of is surrendering to authorities down in Georgia as I type this.

Not a Trump guy, but yes 1 example of many. But if we go with BLSS' apparent way of thinking on this, we should just take Trump's defense as gospel and not examine any information from the prosecution.

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 8/24/2023 4:33:14 PM

Legally speaking, it was warranted...

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 4/15/2025 3:58:09 PM

Update - looks like this will go to trial.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/hillsborough/2025/04/14/tam... /

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 4/15/2025 10:13:59 PM

shabamon wrote:

Update - looks like this will go to trial.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/hillsborough/2025/04/14/tam... /

Tough time to be in federal court as a journalist in this environment. Tim has always done great work and provided great insight! Here is to the truth setting him free.

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 4/15/2025 11:40:40 PM

I could not read the Tampa Tribune article because it was behind a paywall. Here's another article about the case: https://tinyurl.com/mpux8zzz

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 4/18/2025 3:13:23 PM

Dismissal requests denied and co-conspirator pleads guilty. Not looking good for Tim. Almost seems like we should've waited for more information instead of sprint to conclusions using only the defendant as our source of information. I think we've got a better chance of beating OSU in the fall than Tim does at winning this trial.

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 4/18/2025 4:34:04 PM

Kind of an interesting moment for this case. The Trump admin is suing CBS accusing them of deceitfully editing an interview with Kamala Harris while Fox News is trying to put a journalist in prison for releasing footage of an unhinged Kanye West interview where Fox News edited out anti-semitic rants and then ran the segment with the following lead in:

�Is West crazy?� Carlson asked at the top of the first interview. �You can judge for yourself as you watch what we are about to show you. He has his own ideas� But crazy? That was not our conclusion.�

�Not crazy,� Carlson concluded after the interview. �Worth listening to, even if you disagree with him.�

We'll see if Burke broke the law. But I tend to think more information is better, and that it's a pretty slippery slope if Burke is convicted. Fox's behavior here was far more eregious than CBSs and I think journalists creating accountability is a good thing. But that's just me.

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 4/21/2025 12:59:26 PM

This case is about using nefarious methods to obtain footage/information. Not sure how your point about edits relates.

But every news outlet edits the crap out of all their interviews and messaging to fit their narrative and objective - There is no question about that.

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RE: Tim Burke's home office raided by the FBI

Posted: 4/21/2025 3:10:50 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Sorry, I mixed up my Trump campaign threats against CBS. I had thought that the Kamala transcript was leaked by a CBS employee, but I was mixing it up with the story that came out on conservative media (then disappeared) about a whistleblower who was going to prove that CBS gave Kamala debate answers.

But either way, I'm unconvinced that the government deciding that a journalist accessing information on a server with others' credentials should be illegal in a good thing. And if that's where this case ends up, there are some pretty scary implications for modern journalism.

Generally, journalists have been provided protections when publishing illegally accessed materials -- provided they didn't play a direct role in acquiring those materials and the materials contain public concern. That's based on Bartnicki v. Vopper, where a citizen illegally recorded a union negotiation call and dropped the recording in a journalist's mailbox. In Burke's case, according to the co-defendent who pleaded guilty, Burke was sent these credentials by the dude who plead guilty.

I think it's a pretty interesting question as to how you define a journalist's role, but it seems pretty arbitrary to me that the difference between legal and illegal in this case would be based on who actually took the action to login & download what they found. When the Pentagon Papers were leaked plenty of different journalists ended up with photocopied copies. You could easily make the case that downloading a video's basically the equivalent of making a photocopy, no?

It feels like things can get pretty dicey for journalists here. And that doesn't seem great to me.

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