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If you're a high major Division 1 basketball staff, just how much attention are you paying to the remaining uncommitted c/o 2022 high school prospects or JUCOs? Even if you're a mid major, what group are you monitoring the most in April? My bet is every program in the country is currently shopping the transfer portal. I just posted in the recruiting forum that a guard with offers from Maryland and TCU just verballed to UIC. UIC only finished 9-10 in the Horizon League. There could be a number of different reasons contributing to why a kid would pick UIC over Maryland and TCU (and Ohio), but I'm wondering just how many of those offers were still commitable. How many schools are even truly full? My theory is that the yearly growing number of transfer portal entries is going to manifest in at least two different ways: 1) Good high school prospects that wait until spring of their senior years to commit will be forced to accept a "lesser" offer because the better programs back off in favor of plucking a Mark Sears or a Ben Vander Plas. Maybe that prospect isn't truly committed to staying at the mid or low major, and goes in fully intending to kill it at the smaller school in order to get the better program's attention in later years. This could have a multiplying effect that will only cause more such transfers with each passing years unless... 2) More high school prospects with offers going into their senior years decide to commit early and sign at the first opportunity to do so. Lock down their spot on a college roster and they probably won't have to worry about an unavailable spot the following spring. That could however result in missing out on what truly is the best fit if that best fit hasn't offered early. Last Edited: 4/4/2022 10:39:03 AM by shabamon Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,421 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 10:36:17 AM  shabamon wrote: There are currently more than 1,000 division 1 men's college basketball players sitting in the transfer portal. If you're a high major Division 1 basketball staff, just how much attention are you paying to the remaining uncommitted c/o 2022 high school prospects or JUCOs? Even if you're a mid major, what group are you monitoring the most in April? My bet is every program in the country is currently shopping the transfer portal. I just posted in the recruiting forum that a guard with offers from Maryland and TCU offers just verballed to UIC. UIC just finished 9-10 in the Horizon League. There could be a number of different reasons contributing to why a kid would pick UIC over Maryland and TCU (and Ohio), but I'm wondering just how many of those offers were still commitable. How many schools are even truly full? My theory is that the yearly growing number of transfer portal entries is going to manifest in at least two different ways: 1) Good high school prospects that wait until spring of their senior years to commit will be forced to accept a "lesser" offer because the better programs back off in favor of plucking a Mark Sears or a Ben Vander Plas. Maybe that prospect isn't truly committed to staying at the mid or low major, and goes in fully intending to kill it at the smaller school in order to get the better program's attention in later years. 2) More high school prospects with offers going into their senior years decide to commit early and sign at the first opportunity to do so. Lock down their spot on a college roster and they probably won't have to worry about an unavailable spot the following spring. That could however result in missing out on what truly is the best fit if that best fit hasn't offered early. Shab has a point. Some of the "quality" high school players I've spoken to are considering just getting any scholarship, getting noticed, and then taking advantage of the portal to move up to where they might have pre-covid. "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top Cellis033 General User Member Since: 11/11/2021 Location: Powell, OH Post Count: 1,565 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 11:27:16 AM  shabamon wrote: There are currently more than 1,000 division 1 men's college basketball players sitting in the transfer portal. If you're a high major Division 1 basketball staff, just how much attention are you paying to the remaining uncommitted c/o 2022 high school prospects or JUCOs? Even if you're a mid major, what group are you monitoring the most in April? My bet is every program in the country is currently shopping the transfer portal. I just posted in the recruiting forum that a guard with offers from Maryland and TCU just verballed to UIC. UIC only finished 9-10 in the Horizon League. There could be a number of different reasons contributing to why a kid would pick UIC over Maryland and TCU (and Ohio), but I'm wondering just how many of those offers were still commitable. How many schools are even truly full? My theory is that the yearly growing number of transfer portal entries is going to manifest in at least two different ways: 1) Good high school prospects that wait until spring of their senior years to commit will be forced to accept a "lesser" offer because the better programs back off in favor of plucking a Mark Sears or a Ben Vander Plas. Maybe that prospect isn't truly committed to staying at the mid or low major, and goes in fully intending to kill it at the smaller school in order to get the better program's attention in later years. This could have a multiplying effect that will only cause more such transfers with each passing years unless... 2) More high school prospects with offers going into their senior years decide to commit early and sign at the first opportunity to do so. Lock down their spot on a college roster and they probably won't have to worry about an unavailable spot the following spring. That could however result in missing out on what truly is the best fit if that best fit hasn't offered early. That’s a very interesting theory we could see increasingly often with the introduction of the portal and the easier process to transfer. The pandemic has caused everlasting damage on many industries, including the world of college basketball. Unless the portal is changed sometime, I think the process Shab notes of highly touted college seniors opting for mid Major schools then transferring up will be a painfully common occurrence. But this also would result in commits signing very early like Shab mentioned, to secure their roster spot. Chase OU Engineering Technology and Management '24 Future Honda of America Engineer Bringing the noise! Muck Fiami Kant read, Kant write Bowling Green Normie School Back to Top HeHateMiami General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Mason, OH Post Count: 470 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 2:16:09 PM  shabamon wrote: There are currently more than 1,000 division 1 men's college basketball players sitting in the transfer portal. If you're a high major Division 1 basketball staff, just how much attention are you paying to the remaining uncommitted c/o 2022 high school prospects or JUCOs? Even if you're a mid major, what group are you monitoring the most in April? My bet is every program in the country is currently shopping the transfer portal. I just posted in the recruiting forum that a guard with offers from Maryland and TCU just verballed to UIC. UIC only finished 9-10 in the Horizon League. There could be a number of different reasons contributing to why a kid would pick UIC over Maryland and TCU (and Ohio), but I'm wondering just how many of those offers were still commitable. How many schools are even truly full? My theory is that the yearly growing number of transfer portal entries is going to manifest in at least two different ways: 1) Good high school prospects that wait until spring of their senior years to commit will be forced to accept a "lesser" offer because the better programs back off in favor of plucking a Mark Sears or a Ben Vander Plas. Maybe that prospect isn't truly committed to staying at the mid or low major, and goes in fully intending to kill it at the smaller school in order to get the better program's attention in later years. This could have a multiplying effect that will only cause more such transfers with each passing years unless... 2) More high school prospects with offers going into their senior years decide to commit early and sign at the first opportunity to do so. Lock down their spot on a college roster and they probably won't have to worry about an unavailable spot the following spring. That could however result in missing out on what truly is the best fit if that best fit hasn't offered early. 3) It makes you wonder how long until college players and incoming HS graduates need agents to help navigate the unintended consequences that the portal, NIL, extra eligibility thanks to Covid have delivered over the past few seasons. Knowing when to commit, where your real options lie, etc. is starting to feel like a full time job. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,749 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 2:23:08 PM  How long until high school players (and their parents) start demanding NIL income? Kids are already transferring all over the place due to open enrollment. Then, middle school? Travel teams? How much is bobcatsquared expecting to pocket from his youth baseball phenom? I was a veritable Doctor J on my fourth-grade "Gray Y" team. Could/should I have tried to maximize my revenue? Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 942 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 2:32:16 PM  Why should programs even invest in recruiting high school prospects? This is a genuine question. I see a future where only the bluechips are signing out of high school (and negotiating the highest NIL payout) while the rest will fall victim to the transfer portal. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,115 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 2:52:25 PM  spongeBOB CATpants wrote: Why should programs even invest in recruiting high school prospects? This is a genuine question. I see a future where only the bluechips are signing out of high school (and negotiating the highest NIL payout) while the rest will fall victim to the transfer portal. Someone has to. You still have expiring eligibilities that need to be replaced with prospects coming from outside of D1. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,913 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 3:20:54 PM  Another theory from an academic standpoint is that if a lot of professions are going fully or at least hybrid remote and most schoolwork can be done remotely, then what's the point of an athlete investing in one particular campus? See the world young man/woman. Find what fits you. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 3:32:05 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Another theory from an academic standpoint is that if a lot of professions are going fully or at least hybrid remote and most schoolwork can be done remotely, then what's the point of an athlete investing in one particular campus? See the world young man/woman. Find what fits you. Having just completed the online annual sexual harassment/Title IX course that I'm required to take, I cannot imagine going to school in an even quasi-online format. Pure torture. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,504 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 3:45:47 PM  SBH wrote: How long until high school players (and their parents) start demanding NIL income? There's an ongoing discussion in New Jersey about how to deal NIL in high school. Apparently several high school athletes have been made offers. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,504 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 4:12:34 PM  Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Another theory from an academic standpoint is that if a lot of professions are going fully or at least hybrid remote and most schoolwork can be done remotely, then what's the point of an athlete investing in one particular campus? See the world young man/woman. Find what fits you. Having just completed the online annual sexual harassment/Title IX course that I'm required to take, I cannot imagine going to school in an even quasi-online format. Pure torture. There was an editorial by Mike Kelly in yesterday's "The Record",(sorry it won't link) about just how ineffective remote "learning" was, especially for younger kids. Teachers are amazed just how far behind kids are, especially in reading and math. He said, the as yet unnamed generation will be Generation "R", for remedial. Kids are so far behind, educators in N.J. want to suspend the 11th grade competency/Graduation exam, out of fear of the results "devastating" students. I agree with Alan about Remote Learning for an extended period is torture for an adult. Imagine trying to keep a kid's attention for hours, looking at a screen. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 4:15:43 PM  rpbobcat wrote: SBH wrote: How long until high school players (and their parents) start demanding NIL income? There's an ongoing discussion in New Jersey about how to deal NIL in high school. Apparently several high school athletes have been made offers. NIL movement in High Schools is picking up momentum. Some states do allow, but the majority it’s still against the law. Several states though have bills introduced to allow these. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 4:16:57 PM  Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Another theory from an academic standpoint is that if a lot of professions are going fully or at least hybrid remote and most schoolwork can be done remotely, then what's the point of an athlete investing in one particular campus? See the world young man/woman. Find what fits you. Having just completed the online annual sexual harassment/Title IX course that I'm required to take, I cannot imagine going to school in an even quasi-online format. Pure torture. You would be amazed at how many college athletes rarely ever step into a classroom. Back to Top CatsUp General User Member Since: 4/15/2019 Post Count: 734 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 4:30:11 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: rpbobcat wrote: SBH wrote: How long until high school players (and their parents) start demanding NIL income? There's an ongoing discussion in New Jersey about how to deal NIL in high school. Apparently several high school athletes have been made offers. NIL movement in High Schools is picking up momentum. Some states do allow, but the majority it’s still against the law. Several states though have bills introduced to allow these. ‘bout time. Everybody knows high school coaches and schools have been getting rich off these kids. Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 942 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 4:33:20 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Another theory from an academic standpoint is that if a lot of professions are going fully or at least hybrid remote and most schoolwork can be done remotely, then what's the point of an athlete investing in one particular campus? See the world young man/woman. Find what fits you. Having just completed the online annual sexual harassment/Title IX course that I'm required to take, I cannot imagine going to school in an even quasi-online format. Pure torture. You would be amazed at how many college athletes rarely ever step into a classroom. Depends on what sport they play Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 4:37:40 PM  spongeBOB CATpants wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Another theory from an academic standpoint is that if a lot of professions are going fully or at least hybrid remote and most schoolwork can be done remotely, then what's the point of an athlete investing in one particular campus? See the world young man/woman. Find what fits you. Having just completed the online annual sexual harassment/Title IX course that I'm required to take, I cannot imagine going to school in an even quasi-online format. Pure torture. You would be amazed at how many college athletes rarely ever step into a classroom. Depends on what sport they play Yes, but again, this was for Alan. And unfortunately, online schooling is bleeding into other sports. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,023 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 5:11:58 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Another theory from an academic standpoint is that if a lot of professions are going fully or at least hybrid remote and most schoolwork can be done remotely, then what's the point of an athlete investing in one particular campus? See the world young man/woman. Find what fits you. Having just completed the online annual sexual harassment/Title IX course that I'm required to take, I cannot imagine going to school in an even quasi-online format. Pure torture. You would be amazed at how many college athletes rarely ever step into a classroom. Not really. It's harder than ever to get on the OU golf course because of the number of non-athlete students taking online classes. Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,084 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 5:26:23 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: rpbobcat wrote: SBH wrote: How long until high school players (and their parents) start demanding NIL income? There's an ongoing discussion in New Jersey about how to deal NIL in high school. Apparently several high school athletes have been made offers. NIL movement in High Schools is picking up momentum. Some states do allow, but the majority it’s still against the law. Several states though have bills introduced to allow these. Is it against the law or is it just a violation of eligibility for high school athletes? I can't imagine what law they would be breaking by signing endorsement deals with high schoolers. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 8:07:23 PM  Kevin Finnegan wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: rpbobcat wrote: SBH wrote: How long until high school players (and their parents) start demanding NIL income? There's an ongoing discussion in New Jersey about how to deal NIL in high school. Apparently several high school athletes have been made offers. NIL movement in High Schools is picking up momentum. Some states do allow, but the majority it’s still against the law. Several states though have bills introduced to allow these. Is it against the law or is it just a violation of eligibility for high school athletes? I can't imagine what law they would be breaking by signing endorsement deals with high schoolers. Against the law. Remember, many states high school athletic associations are actually controlled by the state legislatures. Just like with college, once states started passing NIL laws the NCAA was toast on any resistance to the movement. Last Edited: 4/4/2022 8:08:39 PM by BillyTheCat Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,003 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/4/2022 9:54:56 PM  shabamon wrote: spongeBOB CATpants wrote: Why should programs even invest in recruiting high school prospects? This is a genuine question. I see a future where only the bluechips are signing out of high school (and negotiating the highest NIL payout) while the rest will fall victim to the transfer portal. Someone has to. You still have expiring eligibilities that need to be replaced with prospects coming from outside of D1. If a program built their entire team from the portal then the likelihood of losing players in the future to the portal goes down significantly, so more program stability? Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 942 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/5/2022 10:08:45 AM  MonroeClassmate wrote: shabamon wrote: spongeBOB CATpants wrote: Why should programs even invest in recruiting high school prospects? This is a genuine question. I see a future where only the bluechips are signing out of high school (and negotiating the highest NIL payout) while the rest will fall victim to the transfer portal. Someone has to. You still have expiring eligibilities that need to be replaced with prospects coming from outside of D1. If a program built their entire team from the portal then the likelihood of losing players in the future to the portal goes down significantly, so more program stability? That's one benefit from only using the portal. Why would a coach want to risk bringing on a kid out of high school who is untested both athletically and academically, who has a good chance of transferring after 1 season if they don't play majority of available minutes as a frosh? The portal provides clarity and takes a lot of risk out of the equation. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/5/2022 10:20:07 AM  spongeBOB CATpants wrote: MonroeClassmate wrote: shabamon wrote: spongeBOB CATpants wrote: Why should programs even invest in recruiting high school prospects? This is a genuine question. I see a future where only the bluechips are signing out of high school (and negotiating the highest NIL payout) while the rest will fall victim to the transfer portal. Someone has to. You still have expiring eligibilities that need to be replaced with prospects coming from outside of D1. If a program built their entire team from the portal then the likelihood of losing players in the future to the portal goes down significantly, so more program stability? That's one benefit from only using the portal. Why would a coach want to risk bringing on a kid out of high school who is untested both athletically and academically, who has a good chance of transferring after 1 season if they don't play majority of available minutes as a frosh? The portal provides clarity and takes a lot of risk out of the equation. Take this a step further, why would you redshirt a player now? Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 942 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/5/2022 12:12:52 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: spongeBOB CATpants wrote: MonroeClassmate wrote: shabamon wrote: spongeBOB CATpants wrote: Why should programs even invest in recruiting high school prospects? This is a genuine question. I see a future where only the bluechips are signing out of high school (and negotiating the highest NIL payout) while the rest will fall victim to the transfer portal. Someone has to. You still have expiring eligibilities that need to be replaced with prospects coming from outside of D1. If a program built their entire team from the portal then the likelihood of losing players in the future to the portal goes down significantly, so more program stability? That's one benefit from only using the portal. Why would a coach want to risk bringing on a kid out of high school who is untested both athletically and academically, who has a good chance of transferring after 1 season if they don't play majority of available minutes as a frosh? The portal provides clarity and takes a lot of risk out of the equation. Take this a step further, why would you redshirt a player now? Right, I don't see redshirting as being a thing moving forward. Might as well just cut a kid instead of giving a redshirt. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,624 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/8/2022 12:36:32 PM  I think once this settles down and kids see that moving around may not be the best thing, if they are being observant, many may decide staying where they are is best. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,478 Status: Offline     RE: A transfer portal theory    Posted: 4/8/2022 12:40:35 PM  giacomo wrote: I think once this settles down and kids see that moving around may not be the best thing, if they are being observant, many may decide staying where they are is best. Kind of like how open enrollment in high schools sports has settled down? 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