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March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/18/2015 4:09:25 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-march-madness-bask.../

Great article about the conference haves and have nots in the tournament.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/18/2015 10:45:24 PM

I been yelling this from the rooftops for a long time. SO many factors working against the mids to stay competitive.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/19/2015 5:42:14 PM

Maybe if we can just get that hanging scoreboard.....

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/20/2015 12:23:09 AM

giacomo wrote:

Maybe if we can just get that hanging scoreboard.....

So who could dig that research up and see if any relevance? Hanging scoreboard vs not - and how program has fared since putting one in/having one - across mid majors - and rank them? My $ says it is an indicator of program success, and Big Dance appearances rate vs the total mid major schools/conferences range.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/20/2015 12:26:02 PM

If that's all it took. Duquesne put one in recently at the Palumbo Center. Also a brand new practice facility with coaches offices and team lounge. Very nice. Look up how much success it brought(bought?)them.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/20/2015 12:37:35 PM

:-\ Interesting the direction we took from the haves and have nots to those upgrading scoeboards

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/thread_directio...

Palumbo faclity is very nIce btw

Last Edited: 3/20/2015 12:40:21 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/20/2015 7:26:01 PM

I was making a joke, of course, regarding the scoreboard. I know some think that things like that make a big difference. I do not. One takeaway from that article is the WCC and Gonzaga. How much would the rest of the league hurt if they sought out greener pastures. The MAC is in good shape as long as we stay together. I don't see anyone in our league breaking the barrier. Toledo is the biggest market and could do it, but no one wants to spend the money.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/20/2015 8:25:37 PM

it's funny how you can see the embarrassingly gross inequity of dollars earned vs. dollars received by looking at Northwestern and Michigan State of the B1G where Nwestern has NEVER earned a single penny for the B1G but still received the same payout as Michigan State ($24.5M), while Michigan State personally brought in over twice that amount ($57M). The same principles that the B1G uses to justify this equitable revenue distribution are the same principles that should be applied at the league level. Its further proof that on the football side the 70%/27% split of revenue between P5 and G5 is plain wrong. But I digress...

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/20/2015 9:24:26 PM

I have reread that article a few times as it sums up the several atricles that alluded to the fact of the P5 conferences getting fat while the rest fight for scraps. The NCAA leaves it to the conferences to divvy up the shares. I think before the meltdown several years back I was unhappy with the distribution as teams that do not invest still bemefit the same as schools who aspire to make the tourney and advance. The money is kind of obscene with no chance for those on the outside to break in....I thought with the conference shake ups some of that might be redistributed but aside from teams like Butler, Utah and X that ascended conferences there were not many realignments in the money.

We are putting resources into ascending the MAc and staying on top after establishing a sustaining program. I still feel those schools showing a desire to get there should reap the benefit of their investment.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/21/2015 12:58:20 PM

It doesn't appear that the Big Ten is putting any demands on Northwestern. They play in a rickety field house in comparison the rest of the league. You would think they would move them out and move somebody else in. Maybe that is the price they pay for a conference patsy. I seem to recall that the MAC gave Eastern Michigan an ultimatum some years ago regarding facilities improvement.

Last Edited: 3/21/2015 12:58:51 PM by giacomo

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/21/2015 1:48:40 PM

No doubt Welsh Ryan and Mcgaw in general are dated ....and not like Hinkle or the Palestra but they have been sprucing them up along the way and it is actually a decent atmosphere...I prefer Loyola's redo just to the south but Mcgaw is not really as bad as some make it out to be. The BIG has older and smaller places. Rutgers only seats 8K which is 2K less than Northwestern but they do not have bleachers either.

I am wondering how prominently Northwestern's long history as a BIG cofounder, the mission statement of the U in line with the BIG's academic presence along with the depth of their non revenue sports keeps the BIG from getting hard line with their basketball and football presence....although football has popped up decently through the years.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/21/2015 4:16:53 PM

Their location certainly helps.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/21/2015 5:30:43 PM

JSF, you hit that right on the head.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/21/2015 8:56:01 PM

College basketball was a sport 30 years ago that was about great coaches. Any great program had a great coach at the helm and that was the reason why for its success. Then it became about greed and manipulation of the schedules to maximize the amount of schools a conference got into the tournament. The power conferences don't just have the richer programs, all the programs get many shots at Top 25 teams during conference play. Then the power conference schools load up on money games at home so they end up with super high non-conference winning percentages. Its sad because MAC schools at one time could get Big Ten schools to their arenas but the economics have killed that.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/21/2015 9:04:28 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

I been yelling this from the rooftops for a long time. SO many factors working against the mids to stay competitive.

The mids if they make the tourney regularly get labeled a basketball school and that can self perpetuate recruiting. A lot of players like the idea of playing at a school where basketball is the school main athletic focal point. The challenge for a lot of schools making the climb up is scheduling. Some of the schools in the MAC (BGSU, CMU) are viewed as no win situations by other mids to play. Tough opponents without the glamour.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/21/2015 9:22:55 PM

hard to believe that joining a conference in 1896 can continue to pay such dividends 119 years later. B1G fans will defend Northwestern's membership by touting its academic standing, location and status as a founding member but NW's true value to the B1G is that it provides an easy conference win for the true money makers. Same for Indiana, Illinois and Purdue from a football perspective. The true power schools don't want a conference full of equals no more than they want a league full of equals. It's all about stacking the deck for the blessed few. You know, like our economy.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/22/2015 2:30:05 PM

Agreed, Perimeter. It's similar to Major League Baseball. Some at the top are spending and those at the bottom are collecting the luxury tax. You could say that Northwestern and other Big 5 schools are collecting a tax for being the conference whipping boys. They all know where they stand in the food chain.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/22/2015 3:27:47 PM

giacomo wrote:

I am not sure where your reference is coming from. Northwestern was 51st in basketball spending and 48th in overall athletic spending. When you put that in the bigger perspective of the Power 6 and anyone else in the conferences just outside like Mountain West, WCC and others how do you figure 51at of 341 is just raking in money from the top of the conference and sitting on their piles of cash? The 5.5 million they spend on mens bball is not all that far off what the other teams in the conference spend and more than about 300 programs put out. 48th in total expenditures is quite a lot of money to throw back into the non revenue sports and still above those Big East schools that do not have football to split the pie. I think you are misrepresenting and giving a view I am not seeing as i look at the actural numbers.

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/22/2015 3:45:25 PM

I am not sure OK ST, G town, Marquette, Pitt or Seton Hall have a very good ROI. tO$U, nebraska, Rutgers are BIG teams below Northwestern but they are not getting as much focus. Why is that? Took out the non power conference teams for the most part. Figures are interesting and useful when talking bout things that require facts.

Rk MBB Expenses (2013) Team Nickname Location Arena Coach

1 $15,653,605 Louisville (ACC) Cardinals Louisville, KY KFC Yum! Center Rick Pitino (since 2002) Site, Schedule, School

2 $15,170,813 Duke (ACC) Blue Devils Durham, NC Cameron Indoor Stadium Mike Krzyzewski (since 1980) Site, Schedule, School

3 $13,788,271 Syracuse (ACC) Orange Syracuse, NY Carrier Dome Jim Boeheim (since 1976) Site, Schedule, School

4 $13,672,723 Kentucky (SEC) Wildcats Lexington, KY Rupp Arena John Calipari (since 2009) Site, Schedule, School

5 $12,717,020 UCLA (PAC12) Bruins Los Angeles, CA Pauley Pavilion Steve Alford (since 2013) Site, Schedule, School

6 $10,726,622 Marquette (BIGEAST) Golden Eagles Milwaukee, WI Bradley Center Steve Wojciechowski (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

7 $10,724,156 Kansas (BIG12) Jayhawks Lawrence, KS Allen Fieldhouse Bill Self (since 2003) Site, Schedule, School

8 $10,638,819 Oklahoma State (BIG12) Cowboys Stillwater, OK Gallagher-Iba Arena Travis Ford (since 2008) Site, Schedule, School

9 $10,219,195 Indiana (BIG10) Hoosiers Bloomington, IN Assembly Hall Tom Crean (since 2008) Site, Schedule, School

10 $9,612,945 Georgetown (BIGEAST) Hoyas Washington, DC Verizon Center John Thompson (since 2004) Site, Schedule, School

11 $9,451,845 Michigan State (BIG10) Spartans East Lansing, MI Breslin Events Center Tom Izzo (since 1996) Site, Schedule, School

12 $8,991,640 Texas (BIG12) Longhorns Austin, TX Frank Erwin Center Rick Barnes (since 1998) Site, Schedule, School

14 $8,227,621 Florida (SEC) Gators Gainesville, FL O'Connell Center Billy Donovan (since 1996) Site, Schedule, School

15 $8,217,023 Arkansas (SEC) Razorbacks Fayetteville, AR Bud Walton Arena Mike Anderson (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

16 $8,153,609 Illinois (BIG10) Fighting Illini Champaign, IL State Farm Center John Groce (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

17 $8,016,340 Auburn (SEC) Tigers Auburn, AL Auburn Arena Bruce Pearl (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

18 $7,811,021 North Carolina (ACC) Tar Heels Chapel Hill, NC Dean Smith Center Roy Williams (since 2003) Site, Schedule, School

19 $7,806,806 Arizona (PAC12) Wildcats Tucson, AZ McKale Center Sean Miller (since 2009) Site, Schedule, School

20 $7,474,265 Pittsburgh (ACC) Panthers Pittsburgh, PA Petersen Events Center Jamie Dixon (since 2003) Site, Schedule, School

21 $7,399,471 Villanova (BIGEAST) Wildcats Villanova, PA Pavilion Jay Wright (since 2001) Site, Schedule, School

22 $7,390,398 Saint John's (BIGEAST) Red Storm Queens, NY Carnesecca Arena Steve Lavin (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

23 $7,372,069 Oklahoma (BIG12) Sooners Norman, OK Lloyd Noble Center Lon Kruger (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

24 $7,293,895 Connecticut (AMER) Huskies Storrs Mansfield, CT Harry A. Gampel Pavilion Kevin Ollie (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

25 $7,251,120 Baylor (BIG12) Bears Waco, TX Ferrell Center Scott Drew (since 2003) Site, Schedule, School

26 $7,144,610 North Carolina State (ACC) Wolfpack Raleigh, NC PNC Arena Mark Gottfried (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

27 $7,124,653 West Virginia (BIG12) Mountaineers Morgantown, WV WVU Coliseum Bob Huggins (since 2007) Site, Schedule, School

28 $7,084,431 Vanderbilt (SEC) Commodores Nashville, TN Memorial Gym Kevin Stallings (since 1999) Site, Schedule, School

29 $6,909,538 Washington (PAC12) Huskies Seattle, WA Hec Edmundson Pavlion Lorenzo Romar (since 2002) Site, Schedule, School

30 $6,782,187 Seton Hall (BIGEAST) Pirates East Rutherford, NJ Prudential Center Kevin Willard (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

31 $6,582,998 Southern Methodist (AMER) Mustangs Dallas, TX Moody Coliseum Larry Brown (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

32 $6,571,925 Minnesota (BIG10) Golden Gophers Minneapolis, MN Williams Arena (Minnesota) Richard Pitino (since 2013) Site, Schedule, School

33 $6,555,080 Virginia (ACC) Cavaliers Charlottesville, VA John Paul Jones Arena Tony Bennett (since 2009) Site, Schedule, School

34 $6,535,615 South Carolina (SEC) Gamecocks Columbia, SC Colonial Life Arena Frank Martin (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

35 $6,488,836 Michigan (BIG10) Wolverines Ann Arbor, MI Crisler Center John Beilein (since 2007) Site, Schedule, School

36 $6,463,690 Maryland (BIG10) Terrapins College Park, MD Comcast Center Mark Turgeon (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

37 $6,373,598 Texas A&M (SEC) Aggies College Station, TX Reed Arena Billy Kennedy (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

38 $6,364,140 DePaul (BIGEAST) Blue Demons Rosemont, IL Allstate Arena Oliver Purnell (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

39 $6,354,140 Alabama (SEC) Crimson Tide Tuscaloosa, AL Coleman Coliseum Anthony Grant (since 2009) Site, Schedule, School

40 $6,351,687 Missouri (SEC) Tigers Columbia, MO Mizzou Arena Kim Anderson (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

41 $6,343,324 Kansas State (BIG12) Wildcats Manhattan, KS Bramlage Coliseum Bruce Weber (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

42 $6,321,923 Purdue (BIG10) Boilermakers West Lafayette, IN Mackey Arena Matt Painter (since 2005) Site, Schedule, School

43 $6,302,822 California (PAC12) Golden Bears Berkeley, CA Haas Pavilion Cuonzo Martin (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

44 $6,299,736 Iowa (BIG10) Hawkeyes Iowa City, IA Carver-Hawkeye Arena Fran McCaffery (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

45 $6,267,008 Texas Christian (BIG12) Horned Frogs Fort Worth, TX Daniel-Meyer Coliseum Trent Johnson (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

46 $6,264,174 Arizona State (PAC12) Sun Devils Tempe, AZ Wells Fargo Arena Herb Sendek (since 2006) Site, Schedule, School

47 $6,261,821 Miami (Fla.) (ACC) Hurricanes Coral Gables, FL BankUnited Center Jim Larranaga (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

48 $6,172,290 Cincinnati (AMER) Bearcats Cincinnati, OH Fifth Third Arena Mick Cronin (since 2006) Site, Schedule, School

49 $6,090,183 Providence (BIGEAST) Friars Providence, RI Dunkin Donuts Center Ed Cooley (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

50 $5,965,248 Oregon (PAC12) Ducks Eugene, OR Matthew Knight Arena Dana Altman (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

51 $5,963,359 Northwestern (BIG10) Wildcats Evanston, IL Welsh-Ryan Arena Chris Collins (since 2013) Site, Schedule, School

52 $5,953,014 Georgia (SEC) Bulldogs Athens, GA Stegeman Coliseum Mark Fox (since 2009) Site, Schedule, School

53 $5,947,963 Gonzaga (WCC) Bulldogs Spokane, WA McCarthey Athletic Center Mark Few (since 1999) Site, Schedule, School

54 $5,929,891 Ohio State (BIG10) Buckeyes Columbus, OH Value City Arena Thad Matta (since 2004) Site, Schedule, School

55 $5,801,160 Florida State (ACC) Seminoles Tallahassee, FL Donald L. Tucker Center Leonard Hamilton (since 2002) Site, Schedule, School

56 $5,741,428 Georgia Tech (ACC) Yellow Jackets Atlanta, GA McCamish Pavilion Brian Gregory (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

58 $5,562,585 Southern California (PAC12) Trojans Los Angeles, CA Galen Center Andy Enfield (since 2013) Site, Schedule, School

59 $5,490,301 Mississippi (SEC) Rebels Oxford, MS Smith Coliseum Andy Kennedy (since 2006) Site, Schedule, School

60 $5,458,505 Virginia Tech (ACC) Hokies Blacksburg, VA Cassell Coliseum Buzz Williams (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

61 $5,412,264 Notre Dame (ACC) Fighting Irish Notre Dame, IN Joyce Athletic Center Mike Brey (since 2000) Site, Schedule, School

63 $5,352,790 Brigham Young (WCC) Cougars Provo, UT Marriott Center Dave Rose (since 2005) Site, Schedule, School

64 $5,311,622 Nebraska (BIG10) Cornhuskers Lincoln, NE Pinnacle Bank Arena Tim Miles (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

65 $5,293,039 Iowa State (BIG12) Cyclones Ames, IA Hilton Coliseum Fred Hoiberg (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

66 $5,290,596 Texas Tech (BIG12) Red Raiders Lubbock, TX United Spirit Arena Tubby Smith (since 2013) Site, Schedule, School

67 $5,283,297 Louisiana State (SEC) Tigers Baton Rouge, LA Maravich Assembly Center Johnny Jones (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

68 $5,255,770 Creighton (BIGEAST) Bluejays Omaha, NE CenturyLink Center (Omaha) Greg McDermott (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

69 $5,247,106 Wake Forest (ACC) Demon Deacons Winston Salem, NC Joel Memorial Coliseum Danny Manning (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

71 $4,976,952 Penn State (BIG10) Nittany Lions State College, PA Bryce Jordan Center Patrick Chambers (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

72 $4,884,321 Colorado (PAC12) Buffaloes Boulder, CO Coors Events Center Tad Boyle (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

74 $4,856,478 Tennessee (SEC) Volunteers Knoxville, TN Thompson-Boling Arena Donnie Tyndall (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

75 $4,663,032 Rutgers (BIG10) Scarlet Knights Piscataway, NJ Louis Brown Center Eddie Jordan (since 2013) Site, Schedule, School

76 $4,566,285 Boston College (ACC) Eagles Chestnut Hill, MA Silvio O. Conte Forum Jim Christian (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

79 $4,373,940 Clemson (ACC) Tigers Clemson, SC Littlejohn Coliseum Brad Brownell (since 2010) Site, Schedule, School

80 $4,363,906 Stanford (PAC12) Cardinal Stanford, CA Maples Pavilion Johnny Dawkins (since 2008) Site, Schedule, School

81 $4,346,173 Xavier (BIGEAST) Musketeers Cincinnati, OH Cintas Center Chris Mack (since 2009) Site, Schedule, School

82 $4,312,955 Mississippi State (SEC) Bulldogs Starkville, MS Humphrey Coliseum Rick Ray (since 2012) Site, Schedule, School

83 $4,282,684 Butler (BIGEAST) Bulldogs Indianapolis, IN Hinkle Fieldhouse Chris Holtmann (interim) (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

85 $4,155,280 Utah (PAC12) Utes Salt Lake City, UT Jon M. Huntsman Center Larry Krystkowiak (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

88 $3,985,079 Dayton (A-10) Flyers Dayton, OH University of Dayton Arena Archie Miller (since 2011) Site, Schedule, School

89 $3,929,913 Oregon State (PAC12) Beavers Corvallis, OR Gill Coliseum Wayne Tinkle (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

92 $3,765,112 Washington State (PAC12) Cougars Pullman, WA Beasley Coliseum Ernie Kent (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

100 $3,222,448 Ohio (MAC) Bobcats Athens, OH Convocation Center (Ohio) Saul Phillips (since 2014) Site, Schedule, School

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RE: March Madness Basketball Fund

Posted: 3/23/2015 5:56:56 PM

Borna, good numbers and I stand corrected. Since they have never made the tourney,I was making assumptions that they didn't spend money. They are and the numbers say some interesting things. I'm shocked that OSU only spends that much relative to their ability to spend. It appears to me that you have to be in the 6+M range to compete for all the marbles. Others, like Butler, are getting it done with 4.2, but with the exception of the 2 years they made the final are they in the hunt most years? I don't think so. Then there is IU at 10+, which is lunacy. We need another million to get serious.

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