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Underachieving team, unmet expectations, apparent underriding team stresses/turmoil we're unaware of, etc. We've been down this road before. Hopefully this season comes to a merciful end very soon and we can FINALLY start to see some continuity with the basketball team. Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,660 Status: Online     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/15/2015 9:07:25 AM  Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,062 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/15/2015 11:30:03 AM  I don't think this basketball team ever had what is needed to contend. Bean should be a shooting guard/slasher type, not a PG. Ndour is a monster. Campbell is solid. Taylor is a solid freshman (who lacks explosiveness). Thomas sounded great, but, uh, where is he? We lack shooters. We lack bulk in the paint. We lack explosive wings. I look at our bench and think, hmmmmmm, is there anyone to put in who could change the game even for 5 minutes? This team has its moments and can be fun to watch. But, there are too many holes. Simmons, Kaminski, and Dartis looks like a good start for the rebuilding process. But, it looks like it is going to take a few years to have a deep, well rounded, talented team. We need some explosive wings and help in the paint. And Kaminski to be a stud and not a head case. Last Edited: 2/15/2015 11:31:00 AM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/15/2015 12:14:16 PM  This is so far from reality it’s ridiculous. I’m a pessimist by nature, so it feels odd to be tapping out a response like this, but I honestly don’t understand the extreme negativity of many of the posters on this board. What the hell did you guys expect after the upheaval of the last three years? Show me any program that can lose two recruiting classes in three years and not lose a step or two. Two coaches are gone largely because they lavished this fan base with wins, and two recruiting classes were decimated as a consequence, yet people on here saw huge potential in this year’s team? This team never had much potential. This season sucks and the team has a ton of flaws that are regularly exposed. There have been a lot more nasty nights than good ones. It’s tempting to bitch about a bad team, and I’ve don’t plenty of it myself. It can be cathartic and it’s often warranted. I’d honestly trade this team for most any other in the MAC this year. What I wouldn’t trade is our program. Not for any other one. This program has produced some nearly unwatchable basketball this year, yet is still supported by the biggest crowds and the most vocal and sizable student section in the conference. This program has given the MAC its only NCAA Tournament wins since 2002. This program is playing a ton of underclassmen who will only be bigger and better next year. This program has a pretty encouraging slate of transfers and recruits coming in next year. This program is on the right track and will be just fine. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/15/2015 12:23:31 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: This is so far from reality it’s ridiculous. I’m a pessimist by nature, so it feels odd to be tapping out a response like this, but I honestly don’t understand the extreme negativity of many of the posters on this board. What the hell did you guys expect after the upheaval of the last three years? Show me any program that can lose two recruiting classes in three years and not lose a step or two. Two coaches are gone largely because they lavished this fan base with wins, and two recruiting classes were decimated as a consequence, yet people on here saw huge potential in this year’s team? This team never had much potential. This season sucks and the team has a ton of flaws that are regularly exposed. There have been a lot more nasty nights than good ones. It’s tempting to bitch about a bad team, and I’ve don’t plenty of it myself. It can be cathartic and it’s often warranted. I’d honestly trade this team for most any other in the MAC this year. What I wouldn’t trade is our program. Not for any other one. This program has produced some nearly unwatchable basketball this year, yet is still supported by the biggest crowds and the most vocal and sizable student section in the conference. This program has given the MAC its only NCAA Tournament wins since 2002. This program is playing a ton of underclassmen who will only be bigger and better next year. This program has a pretty encouraging slate of transfers and recruits coming in next year. This program is on the right track and will be just fine. Really good stuff RJ...you still got it. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/15/2015 8:25:46 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: This is so far from reality it’s ridiculous. I’m a pessimist by nature, so it feels odd to be tapping out a response like this, but I honestly don’t understand the extreme negativity of many of the posters on this board. What the hell did you guys expect after the upheaval of the last three years? Show me any program that can lose two recruiting classes in three years and not lose a step or two. It's easy to say you could see this coming but college basketball by nature is a big question mark every year. There were way too many variables in play to make any kind of accurate assessment. It's obvious now how flawed this team is but with a new coach with new systems and so many players in new roles this year I'm not sure you can say this was the obvious outcome. I've said this several times this year but I think what we are seeing is how valuable Nick Kellogg, Jon Smith and Travis Wilkins were. I was hoping that we would have guys step up and take their roles but for many reasons it just hasn't happened. It will be interesting to see who takes the leadership mantle next year. I didn't expect us to win the MAC this year but I certainly didn't see expect to be rolling my eyes on every other possession on both ends. I watched three championship games today for a local DC area league (5th, 7th, 9th grades) and four of the six teams involved were a joy to watch because they played smart team basketball. I enjoyed all three of those games ten times more than I've enjoyed any of our games this year because this team's play is so diametrically opposed to what I want to see on the court. Sadly I think this season has even gotten to the players who were trying to play the game the right way early on. I can't recall any Ohio team ever having more one pass or fewer possessions. Looking forward to the addition by subtraction. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,781 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/16/2015 10:16:53 AM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: This year's basketball season is a redux of the 2013 football season. Underachieving team, unmet expectations, apparent underriding team stresses/turmoil we're unaware of, etc. . . . The big difference in terms of team morale is that while this years cagers are perhaps not jelling well as a team and sometimes don't play to each others strengthens, to the best of my knowledge, no one is actively trying to bring the team down and purposely creating locker room tension. I think everyone on the team is trying to do his best, but they just aren't achieving what they are trying to do due to a combination of youth, talent, court leadership (or lack thereof), basketball IQ, toughness, experience playing together, etc. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/16/2015 3:24:38 PM  Honestly, I think 2014-15 B-ball season = 2014 football season. Both teams in rebuilding years with lots of hope for next year in the way of recruits, transfer, etc. We had high hopes going into both seasons, but I think realistically we knew that it was a long shot. Way too many question marks, not enough senior leadership and lots of young guys getting PT. I think next year will be HUGE improvement for both sports. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,781 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/16/2015 9:47:49 PM  Much better analogy, catfan28. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/17/2015 10:01:23 PM  catfan28 wrote: Honestly, I think 2014-15 B-ball season = 2014 football season. Both teams in rebuilding years with lots of hope for next year in the way of recruits, transfer, etc. We had high hopes going into both seasons, but I think realistically we knew that it was a long shot. Way too many question marks, not enough senior leadership and lots of young guys getting PT. I think next year will be HUGE improvement for both sports. I don't pretend to know anything about where Ohio football will be next year. I'm just not that informed of a fan. In terms of Ohio Basketball, I really think they'll be a lot better to watch than this year simply because they'll be mostly Saul recruits and have an extra year in the system. (Also, hopefully a couple certain wing players can add a few calories to their diets, and weight room time to their schedule.) Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,498 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/17/2015 10:32:10 PM  OU_Country wrote: I don't pretend to know anything about where Ohio football will be next year. I'm just not that informed of a fan. In terms of Ohio Basketball, I really think they'll be a lot better to watch than this year simply because they'll be mostly Saul recruits and have an extra year in the system. (Also, hopefully a couple certain wing players can add a few calories to their diets, and weight room time to their schedule.) I don't pretend to know anything about where Ohio basketball will be next year, but it strikes me that when you change coaches as often as Ohio Basketball has in recent years, it will catch up with you sooner or later. It ends up affecting recruiting, player continuity, schemes, morale, and in other ways. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/18/2015 9:53:57 AM  catfan28 wrote: Honestly, I think 2014-15 B-ball season = 2014 football season. Both teams in rebuilding years with lots of hope for next year in the way of recruits, transfer, etc. We had high hopes going into both seasons, but I think realistically we knew that it was a long shot. Way too many question marks, not enough senior leadership and lots of young guys getting PT. I think next year will be HUGE improvement for both sports. I disagree and I'm surprised everyone took my e-mail as an indictment of Ohio basketball as that's the last thing it was meant to be. Going into this year expectations amongst most BA'ers were high for the b-ball team. While it was understand that the depth wasn't there yet, most of us were excited about the returning talent of the roster; N"Dour was talked about as a potential MAC POY, a more experienced Bean and Stevie Taylor in the backcourt with a young and improving Tony Campbell, most of us were thinking Ohio would compete for the MAC East title this year. The 2013 football team had a 3 game nosedive when they're outscored 200-0 (a slight exaggeration). This year's b-ball team just lost 2 straight where they were basically outhustled. Go back to the Athens News and Athens Messenger articles to read where Coach Phillips is basically beside himself just trying to get his team to compete. We have threads in this messageboard titled "Embarrassing" and "I'd Rather have a Root Canal". Parallel threads were posted in the football section in 2013. The similarities to me are amazing but I guess it's just me. And I say it was the 2013 football team that hit rock bottom-with a young team it improved in 2014 and had already began its upswing this past year. Ohio basketball will do the exact same thing next year; with an amazing recruiting class Ohio basketball will eventually be an absolute force again. Of that I have no doubt. I'm very bullish on the team and on Coach Phillips, hence my comment on finally seeing some continuity. Last Edited: 2/18/2015 9:56:04 AM by Mark Lembright '85 Back to Top Steve General User Member Since: 12/1/2005 Post Count: 710 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/18/2015 12:50:30 PM  The 2013 football team was returning experience at several key positions and had stability at head coach. There was every reason to believe they would be at the top of the conference. This season's basketball team lost five of its top eight players in average points and minutes played, lost all four commits and had its third head coach in four years. While we hoped for much better than this, even .500 seemed optimistic. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/18/2015 3:02:50 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Ohio basketball will do the exact same thing next year; with an amazing recruiting class Ohio basketball will eventually be an absolute force again. Of that I have no doubt. I'm very bullish on the team and on Coach Phillips, hence my comment on finally seeing some continuity. I will say this....OUr team is very well positioned to be very good given that continuity. I've been looking at the 2016-17 season as a year that a lot of the young guys have matured, the system is in place, and other teams within the conference have lost some big time players to graduation. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/18/2015 3:18:08 PM  OU_Country wrote: Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Ohio basketball will do the exact same thing next year; with an amazing recruiting class Ohio basketball will eventually be an absolute force again. Of that I have no doubt. I'm very bullish on the team and on Coach Phillips, hence my comment on finally seeing some continuity. I will say this....OUr team is very well positioned to be very good given that continuity. I've been looking at the 2016-17 season as a year that a lot of the young guys have matured, the system is in place, and other teams within the conference have lost some big time players to graduation. Who knows? I think Ohio could make a serious run before then. Maybe next year? I really can't wait to see what next year's team will do and I'm really excited! Like the 2013 football season, I just think this year is what it is and Ohio will move on and become successful. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: 2014-15 B-ball season = 2013 Football season    Posted: 2/18/2015 3:33:14 PM  My only expectations for the remainder of this season goes like this: Arrive in Athens for game day. Have lunch food & beverages with people I like and have fun with them. Cheer on the 'Cats with as much enthusiasm as I can muster that day. Leave the Convo and repeat the lunch step for dinner. Maybe I'll toss in that I'll try to sneak in a walk around Stroud's if the day is nice. That's it. Winning is a plus, but not expected. Advancing to Friday in Cleveland would be a plus, but not expected. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 16  of 16 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 171 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 170 Guests 1 Registered User:   Pete Chouteau There are no other users looking at this page.

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