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Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/10/2015 10:21:57 PM

I'm just wondering if any of the rest of you who caught Saul's postgame interview came away with the feeling that there's a lot of tension in the locker room. He kind of hinted he'd being doing a lot of yelling at players in the locker room this year and that some of them weren't listening. He also indicated that he was going to be making some changes, but I wasn't sure if he was hinting at changes in relative playing time, or role assignments, specific plays, or exactly what. He did make it very clear that he doesn't yell at players in public, that he reserves that for the locker room. A kind of what-happens-in-the-locker-room-stays-in-the-locker-room approach. I can really respect that. I wish at least one of our previous coaches had had that philosophy. At any rate, I watched the game at a friends house, he kept pouring the beer, so I might have missed something in listening to the post-game as I nursed my last beer. Boy, was this a game in which beer was really needed! ;-)

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/10/2015 11:00:25 PM

can we get a link to that interview ?

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/10/2015 11:16:12 PM

In my 40 years watching OHIO basketball, I have never seen a team that lacks team basketball knowledge, lacks a solid point guard that leads, players that do not follow coaching, and athletes that play with no enthusiasm. A total of 34 turnovers
means a total lack of concentration or lack of effort. OR BOTH!!

The only team that would come close would be Bandy's 2nd year. They did have potential, but the lack of team unity was it's downfall. This included physical locker room fighting, maryjane use with no control.

I really feel sorry for Saul and maybe he is too nice. This team is so fragile. I really thought that the Canadian Trip created alot of team unity, but it is going downhill in a hurry.

Not sure how he can resusitate this team. Do you put a freshman at point, sit Bean?
I really think that Bean is a cancer. Then we have Campbell that gets very lazy, no hand strength and more interested in his gear(pulling at his pants and brace).

I am sure that there is more, but this is my simple observation from outside.

I will continue to support this team, but my travels to other sites will be very limited. This BGSU game and what I saw again the 2nd half will really mean less car miles.

Last Edited: 1/10/2015 11:32:21 PM by Panda

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/10/2015 11:48:34 PM

Panda wrote:

I was thinking the same thing on the drive home. I was also thinking it is as bad as all the way back to that Bandy team.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/11/2015 1:51:34 AM

Is the tension really with Bean though? I have no idea but he is the one starting which would make me think the tension is between him and Taylor but I have no clue. He could just be mad at everyone. I'm sure that trip built unity but, no matter what the team chemistry is when you start losing things are going to fall apart. The only fix to this is getting some W's.

Last Edited: 1/11/2015 1:51:57 AM by TheBobcatBandit

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/11/2015 3:16:49 PM

I'm not reading that much into Saul's comments. We always have tension in the locker room after a bad loss. Happens every year because the players are angry when they aren't winning. Ohio players at least expect to win as they've done a lot of it. Its on Saul to make some adjustments and get these guys winning again.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/11/2015 4:53:09 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Speaking from experience.....or talking from someone you know who was in the locker room? Happens every year after a bad loss? Not sure where this info is coming from....I may be wrong but this reads like you are sounding like an authority with experience. Appreciate the insight and sage wisdom/

Last Edited: 1/11/2015 4:54:34 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/11/2015 11:21:11 PM

This is really unfair to SP as his work at OHIO cannot be judged after so few games and without time to build his own program with his own players--but I must admit the thought has crossed my mind since he was hired. That being-- I'm always leery of "rah-rah" guys in leadership and always want to see if there is any substance. Seems like many of the great coaches are no-nonesense grinders and not stand up comedians who over endulge fans with too much information, including the commenting on the morale of the team or saying things like "I'm telling them, but they don't listen." And seeing as though he seemed like this off-the-cuff type guy I quickly looked to see if he balanced that by picking some veteran assistants to play "bad cop" if he was the stand up comedian, but instead I saw a bunch of guys 22-31 years old. Even the most veteran of coaches have drama and a lack of discipline, but I wonder if it's going to take this staff some extra time to mature and mold a new squad?

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/11/2015 11:35:17 PM

And, I repeat a question I raised earlier: did all these guys get stupid, lazy and bitchie just this year? In others, how can you have these kinds of problems when we never heard of them last year? As was said after the hawaii tournament, something seems to be going on in the locker room and either the coach...the players...or BOTH need to resolve whatever the issues are or this is a really really long year! I am not so sure we will be better in march given the MAC start!

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 12:44:15 AM

We basically traded out Kellog, Smith and Wilkins for Laster & R. Taylor. No doubt we lost some veteran senior leadership (well maybe not Smith as it turned out) from a team that went 25-12. But did we lose enought to go from 25-12 to suddenly really bad?

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 8:01:19 AM

Chicken George wrote:

We basically traded out Kellog, Smith and Wilkins for Laster & R. Taylor...did we lose enough to go from 25-12 to suddenly really bad?

Yes, on shooting percentage alone. All 3 of those guys took smart shots and made them at a high rate. We also have had to replace TJ Hall and Rico (though he was of course injured so it doesn't feel like we had to replace him). It has been a lot to replace.

As great as Ryan is, he as a freshman is no where close to Nick as a senior. Laster has shown he is solid but he is not really fulfilling any particular area of need.

There is more to it - Just the growing pains of a new system & coaches, regression from Stevie, and possible strife between the "old regime guys" and "new regime guys." But I maintain that our primary issue is not adequately replacing what we lost, yet.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 9:33:31 AM

To me, our problems are much more worrisome than replacing five seniors and gelling with a new scheme.

In 2010, we barely squeaked out a win against a bad Toledo team. Coach Groce kept Armon Bassett in the locker room after halftime, and when asked why by Russ in postgame, coach replied "attitude and effort are non-negotiable with me."

From what I've observed in our last two games, our issues have been with attitude and effort. The evidence - we don't close out on jump shooters, we lazily let guards penetrate, we settle for contested jumpers, we don't hustle in and out of timeouts. There's no brand to Ohio basketball 2015. There's no identity.

I hope eventually we can establish an identity under Saul. Wisconsin has an identity, so does Syracuse, VCU, you could even say a team like Belmont has an identity. We had one under Groce. Force turnovers with traps, run the floor, high team assists (how much more do you appreciate DJ Cooper now). Until then, we need to at least have attitude and effort. I don't claim to know what is going on in the locker room or in practices, but on the court, I'm not convinced we have it yet.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 9:41:13 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

We basically traded out Kellog, Smith and Wilkins for Laster & R. Taylor...did we lose enough to go from 25-12 to suddenly really bad?

Yes, on shooting percentage alone. ...

.492 -shooting % of Kellogg/Wilkins/Smith
.471 -shooting % of Laster/Taylor
.452 -shooting % of Kellogg/Wilkins

Sure if you add in Smith who had a different role than the other 4 guards/wings, but comparing like for like roles the freshmen have a better shooting percentage than the seniors.

Either way, our freshmen aren't the problem.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 9:43:27 AM

Chicken George wrote:

IMO it comes down to trading Kellogg for Bean. Bean was effective last year when he wasn't "the guy". Unfortunately we don't have "the guy" this year. I think we have players that could be "the guy" down the road but apparently aren't ready yet. In all fairness I'm not sure Nick Kellogg would have been able to do it as a freshman either. Last year we took on the personality of Nick. This year we have taken on the personality of Bean.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 10:09:02 AM

I'm very interested in what Coach has to say on the show tonight after time to process his thoughts. For a guy who has talked our ears off to this point, he was struggling for words Saturday evening.

Last year's team was 25-12 and had a player walk away before the season ended. I don't think the current atmosphere is a new one.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 1:00:17 PM

Pete Chouteau wrote:

I'm anxious to listen in tonight as well!

Also....the kid who has the capability, in my opinion, of being 'the guy' is Ryan Taylor. Maybe not yet, but at some juncture soon. He has some similar characteristics to Nick in the all around game, and the composure that I perceive.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 1:25:25 PM

OU_Country wrote:

Pete Chouteau wrote:

Nick was one of a rare few that would include Dave Jamerson and Geno Ford. It would be nice to include Ryan Taylor in that group in 4 years but it's really too early to tell at this point.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 2:07:05 PM

OU_Country wrote:

Also....the kid who has the capability, in my opinion, of being 'the guy' is Ryan Taylor. Maybe not yet, but at some juncture soon. He has some similar characteristics to Nick in the all around game, and the composure that I perceive.

I agree. You could tell from the first time he stepped on the Convo floor he was a heady player. Not sure about his personality though. There's a difference between having a high basketball IQ and being a team leader. Not saying he does or doesn't have the leadership skills. Just that I have no idea.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 2:10:15 PM

It's hard to say - his instincts might tell him to be the rah-rah guy, but it's probably hard for a freshman to do that for fear of overstepping his bounds unless he's head and shoulders the best player on the team. (Gary Trent could command everyone's attention as a frosh because the team went as he went, period.)

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 2:38:00 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Yep, in fact that was one thing D.J. Cooper said about 2010. He didn't want to have to be the guy.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 3:49:52 PM

OUVan wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

High basketball IQ, team leader, overall skills (though nor necessary to be best player), anything else? = "that guy"

So what players comprise our all-time "that guy" team?

Names above include/suggest: Nick Kellogg, Dave Jamerson, Geno Ford, DJ Cooper, Gary Trent. I'll nominate Eddie Hicks from the early '80s teams - refuse to let you lose guy (Kirk also considered).

Others for consideration before narrowing the team?

Last Edited: 1/12/2015 3:53:42 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 4:17:24 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

We basically traded out Kellog, Smith and Wilkins for Laster & R. Taylor...did we lose enough to go from 25-12 to suddenly really bad?

Yes, on shooting percentage alone. ...

That's an unfair comp and you had to know it when you put it together because Kellogg and Wilkins shot phenomenal from 3, and shot a lot more. The better stat is effective FG %:

Kellogg/Wilkins/Smith - .588 (21.9 Attempts per game)
R Taylor/Laster - .516 (11.9 Attempts per game)

Laster & Taylor are not replacing all of the many many shots of the 3 lost good shooters. Many of those shots are going to Stevie, Bean, etc...Adding to the decline.

I doesn't matter how you slice it, we did not effectively replace 3 good shooters. I never said our freshmen are the problem, I said this roster is lacking above average shooters.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 4:18:03 PM

cc-cat wrote:

OUVan wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

For the 2004-2005 squad I would say "that guy" was Harbut. The drop-off in the 2005-2006 team was noticeable without Harbut patrolling the paint. Say what you want about the implosion of the Jeremy Fears fiasco, but Harbut was the glue.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 4:24:28 PM

cc-cat wrote:

OUVan wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

I think Walter Offut was this caliber of player. Also, I'd throw Sonny Troutman into this conversation.

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RE: Saul's Postgame Interview

Posted: 1/12/2015 5:20:31 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

We basically traded out Kellog, Smith and Wilkins for Laster & R. Taylor...did we lose enough to go from 25-12 to suddenly really bad?

Yes, on shooting percentage alone. ...

sorry, didn't know that when you said "shooting % alone" you didn't actually mean that in any way.

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