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bobcat695
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Bad defense

Posted: 12/6/2014 6:45:39 PM

Saul is almost exclusively a man-to-man defense guy. From what I have seen this year, the majority of our guys play terrible fundamental defense on the ball. I assume the players have played basketball for a number of years, and had a lot of coaches throughout their lives. How in the world are they unable to play basic, fundamental defense at this point in their careers? Surely they have been taught by a school or AAU coach how to defend their man. The technique is not that hard. Our team is physically able to play great defense.

It drives me nuts to watch our guys not move their feet and slide laterally, give up the baseline, not box out for a rebound and allow dribble penetration north and south in the half court. I hope Saul is able to get them to place a higher personal responsibility on stopping their man. Otherwise, we are in for a long season.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/6/2014 6:49:22 PM

Apparently defense is not a priority this year.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 12:08:20 AM

Right now it's tough to watch our perimeter players getting schooled every game by opposing guards. Ryan Taylor and Mike Laster are freshmen and they will get better. We aren't fighting through screens or rotating properly. And teams are killing us with dribble penetration. It will get better.

Last Edited: 12/7/2014 12:09:54 AM by Jeff McKinney

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 12:39:21 AM

Jeff, I hate to say it but Stevie and Bean are what they are and neither plays good defense. I watched Bean on the out of bounds play that got the Bonnies to 50 and he simply lost focus and his man resulting in an easy layup. Then, he gets beat on dribble penetration and two bigs go to block a shot leaving the Bonnies big guy to slam the miss down. I'm with borna...he's an ok shooter but man does he cost us. And, Stevie was out a lot because of fouls the result of not being able to stay in front of his guy. I think Saul is gonna have to do some zone to cover these deficiencies up. Hopefully we get out of the 3 funk we are in now too.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 4:16:59 PM

Casper71 wrote:

I've been thinking zone as well. You would think we surely can't get beat BOTH inside AND outside with zone.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 5:43:48 PM

I might be a bit off on the paraphrase, but I think Saul mentioned something about playing zone for about 2/3 possessions (ever) since he's been involved in coaching in any capacity. So I am imagining he's sticking with man and will try to work out the kinks.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 5:48:41 PM

Lets say you have guys on the college level who are poor defensive players. How does a college coaching staff teach defense to guys like that?

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 6:01:11 PM

Saul is going to make his guys play the defense he wants them to play, even if that costs them in the short term.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 6:24:02 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Lets say you have guys on the college level who are poor defensive players. How does a college coaching staff teach defense to guys like that?

sit them in a defensive stance and do the same slides we teach 3rd graders. showing game film and refreshing ball you man and line of the ball principles. May not teach everyone as much as you need but at that level of college redefining the principles you hold as important will open eyes and give some understanding. Just like teaching a class in basketball principles you are gonna have kids learning a little bit of sumthin.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 6:58:18 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Lets say you have guys on the college level who are poor defensive players. How does a college coaching staff teach defense to guys like that?

+1

And must fail to understand that if you can not survive in a man with the concepts, you will struggle in a zone.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/7/2014 9:52:05 PM

JSF wrote:

Saul is going to make his guys play the defense he wants them to play, even if that costs them in the short term.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/8/2014 6:01:32 PM

Jeff

One of my favorite teachers of the game here shows defense the way it should be taught. I think OUr guys would take to teaching. Good stuff for teaching on ball and screen defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz1NwCOzaAw

This is a great drill for understanding close outs by a men's coach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MGHOAP1qVs

I am a great fan of watching Sherry Coale teach as she is constantly explaining the finer points of post pass delivery or a myriad of things. Just watching practices and drills of hers will explain things in detail. She is one of the best "teachers" in the game. Just googling her name is going to come up with some classics.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/9/2014 12:10:53 AM

Thanks borna. Last night on the radio show, I called in a question to Coach re: what methods do you use to teach defense? I didn't ask it, just had the guy who answered the phone ask the question...something was lost in the translation and the question ended up being, what do you do to stop offensive lulls? Not sure how that happened...

On defense, what I notice often is that players are about a half step slow in recognizing situations and then it's too late once they respond properly. I noticed that with Ryan Taylor vs. Bonnies. Their guards just torched us with their quickness and strength. Ryan would be about a half step slow responding and his man would get off a 13 foot jumper or else drive to the hoop. Is that where watching tape comes in re: helping players recognize situations?

It seems Nick K. had that problem early in his career but was much better with this as a junior and senior.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/9/2014 2:06:58 PM

I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THE PRECEDING POST REGARDING CALLING IN A QUESTION TO THE RADIO SHOW WAS ACTUALLY MINE, NOT MONROE'S. AND MONROE'S POST GOT DELETED. SORRY. NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE. JEFF

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/9/2014 3:47:10 PM

I know it is really early but last year I see the stats say we gave up 64.5-65.1 ppg (conference/overall). This year, so far, we are at 69.5. These are just the numbers, don't ask me what they mean.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/9/2014 6:03:10 PM

would be comparable once you see how Belmont, FGCU,St bONA etal compare to Louisville et al at the same time last year. In other words it is variable based on opponents played and other factors.

Stand alone. That is approaching 70 pts a game. That in itself is of concern if you are a defensive minded coach. The other thought is that it looks like you took the entire last year. IIRC our numbers tend to go down once we get into conference play anyway. That would be intersting to see....how much scoring both offense and defense varies from non con to conference.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/9/2014 9:58:46 PM

PPG isn't a great metric to measure defense. But it doesn't taking any metrics to tell that we aren't a very good defensive team right now. That being said the metrics do support that statement. We are #322 in forcing turnovers and combine that with #181 in effective FG% and you get a recipe for a bad defensive team. Offensively we are forcing the tempo a bit more this year but I think that has more to do with a couple of guys chucking up shots early in the possession as opposed to us pushing the tempo. A lot of work to do for these guys to mesh and play better.

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RE: Bad defense

Posted: 12/10/2014 10:12:18 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Yeah..weird...no worries, Jeff...Probably a significant improvement in quality for me!

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