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FearLeon
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   Posted: 12/6/2014 4:04:30 PM 
NDOUR: I think I counted at least 4 air balls. Have seen a ton of this through 5 games. Shooting below 40%. A product of playing out of control or trying to do too much?

STEVIE T: Last game out..17 points-5 assists. Today...4 points-2 assists. ..0-2 from FT Line...4 fouls. Can't win games with that production from the point. The inconsistency from #22 remains consistent.

FOULING 3 POINT SHOOTERS: It happened twice and another guy was fouled a foot inside the line. Inexcusable.

SHOT SELECTION: Many shots fired up within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock.

DEFENSE: How many times did St. Bonaventure get to the rack uncontested?

POSITIVES: TONY CAMPBELL. Should be starting from here on out.

HARLEY: Nice to see him contribute when he's obviously not 100% and probably never will be.

It's going to take some time for this team to find its identity.





Last Edited: 12/6/2014 4:11:19 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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OUVan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Recipe For A Loss
   Posted: 12/6/2014 4:15:47 PM 
In all three of our losses some guy has gone for a career high in scoring. It's going to continue until we figure out how to stop guys from dribble penetration.
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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 12/6/2014 6:17:55 PM 
OUVan wrote:
In all three of our losses some guy has gone for a career high in scoring. It's going to continue until we figure out how to stop guys from dribble penetration.


Where is Patrick Flomo?
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100%Cat
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   Posted: 12/6/2014 6:28:06 PM 
The odds of beating a decent team with that kind of "production" at the PG spot are not good. Stevie needs to find some measure of consistency. He's making it look this year like he should never be a starting PG. Unfortunately he's the option we have right now. I think we'll realize what we have been missing when we see Simmons at the point next season.

Last Edited: 12/6/2014 6:28:46 PM by 100%Cat
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RSBobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Recipe For A Loss
   Posted: 12/6/2014 6:39:18 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
NDOUR: I think I counted at least 4 air balls. Have seen a ton of this through 5 games. Shooting below 40%. A product of playing out of control or trying to do too much?



Mo works his ass off getting position for inlets that never happen. At some point I think he thinks him shooting from the perimeter likely as good as anyone else..........

RS Bobcat

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RSBobcat
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   Posted: 12/6/2014 6:40:25 PM 
OUVan wrote:
In all three of our losses some guy has gone for a career high in scoring. It's going to continue until we figure out how to stop guys from dribble penetration.


Too much standing around - on offense and defense

RS Bobcat

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bornacatfan
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   Posted: 12/7/2014 12:37:59 PM 
People talking about %

I wandered into this conversation and rather enjoyed it as I have long said unless you are shooting at better than 40% you are hurting your team with potential points lost. DJ made up for his with steals and assists but still left points on the table. To be sure there were chucks that counted against his % because they came so late in the clock.

Interesting points in this analysis

If a player is going to make >35% on open 3s, he has green light to shoot whenever open. That's ~1.05 points per possession. So far this year we're at 1.16 ppp. In our last 3 games, we're at 0.98. Somewhere in between is fine. For reference: last year we were around 230th in the country at .996. Michigan was 3rd at 1.16. A 40% 3 point shooter gets 1.2 ppp, which is excellent. 1.05 ppp is just about the baseline of where we want to be - about the top 100 offenses in the country do that.

If a player is going to make ~27-35% of open 3s, can take it later in a possession (or at any time if we really need a 3 at the end of the game). This is a sliding scale - the closer to 35%, the earlier in the possession the guy should be shooting. The spread here is 0.81 ppp to 1.05 ppp.

If a player shoots sub ~27% (below 0.81 ppp), really shouldn't shoot 3 unless the clock is expiring.

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RSBobcat
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   Posted: 12/7/2014 4:02:16 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
People talking about %

I wandered into this conversation and rather enjoyed it as I have long said unless you are shooting at better than 40% you are hurting your team with potential points lost. DJ made up for his with steals and assists but still left points on the table. To be sure there were chucks that counted against his % because they came so late in the clock.

Interesting points in this analysis

If a player is going to make >35% on open 3s, he has green light to shoot whenever open. That's ~1.05 points per possession. So far this year we're at 1.16 ppp. In our last 3 games, we're at 0.98. Somewhere in between is fine. For reference: last year we were around 230th in the country at .996. Michigan was 3rd at 1.16. A 40% 3 point shooter gets 1.2 ppp, which is excellent. 1.05 ppp is just about the baseline of where we want to be - about the top 100 offenses in the country do that.

If a player is going to make ~27-35% of open 3s, can take it later in a possession (or at any time if we really need a 3 at the end of the game). This is a sliding scale - the closer to 35%, the earlier in the possession the guy should be shooting. The spread here is 0.81 ppp to 1.05 ppp.

If a player shoots sub ~27% (below 0.81 ppp), really shouldn't shoot 3 unless the clock is expiring.


Increasing the % of possessions that Mo gets the ball down low/near the paint, will result in increasing our chances of winning. He can go to the hoop, or dish to open shooter from there.

Remember "Get the ball to Trent"? We need "Get the ball to Mo"............

Last Edited: 12/7/2014 4:02:47 PM by RSBobcat

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OUVan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Recipe For A Loss
   Posted: 12/7/2014 4:23:46 PM 
RSBobcat wrote:
[QUOTE=bornacatfan]
Increasing the % of possessions that Mo gets the ball down low/near the paint, will result in increasing our chances of winning. He can go to the hoop, or dish to open shooter from there.

Remember "Get the ball to Trent"? We need "Get the ball to Mo"............


Sometimes we pass the ball (or dribble it) around the perimeter so deliberately that it is very hard for Mo or any of our bigs receive a pass close to the basket. What you said earlier was spot on about Mo working his butt off. But it's all for naught if the guy receiving the ball on the perimeter takes a second to survey the scene before he passes it. You have to know where everybody is before you receive the pass. That's what made guys like Nick and Tommy so damn valuable. They knew that Leon or Reggie would have a nice seal on their man before the pass got to them or that if they reversed it quickly it would make for an easy entry pass. Hopefully that will come as everybody gets used to each other.
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RSBobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Recipe For A Loss
   Posted: 12/7/2014 4:52:13 PM 
OUVan wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
[QUOTE=bornacatfan]
Increasing the % of possessions that Mo gets the ball down low/near the paint, will result in increasing our chances of winning. He can go to the hoop, or dish to open shooter from there.

Remember "Get the ball to Trent"? We need "Get the ball to Mo"............


Sometimes we pass the ball (or dribble it) around the perimeter so deliberately that it is very hard for Mo or any of our bigs receive a pass close to the basket. What you said earlier was spot on about Mo working his butt off. But it's all for naught if the guy receiving the ball on the perimeter takes a second to survey the scene before he passes it. You have to know where everybody is before you receive the pass. That's what made guys like Nick and Tommy so damn valuable. They knew that Leon or Reggie would have a nice seal on their man before the pass got to them or that if they reversed it quickly it would make for an easy entry pass. Hopefully that will come as everybody gets used to each other.


+ one thousand

RS Bobcat

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