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Topic:  Dan Hanner early look at one-bid conferences
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Ted Thompson
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  Message Not Read  Dan Hanner early look at one-bid conferences
   Posted: 9/30/2014 12:07:26 PM 

Dan Hanner does a great job of using advanced analytics for college basketball at RealGm.com. The MAC ranks high in terms of returning minutes.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/235040/College-Basketball-Preview-14-15-The-Rest

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MAC: Toledo is going to get a lot of love based on the players they have coming back. The only reason I don’t have them as the clear MAC favorite is that I think they still have a lot of questions in the front-court. Nathan Boone is 6'9" but he is a poor rebounder and he plays much smaller than his size. Matt Smith is gone. And as great a rebounder as JD Weatherspoon is, he's still only 6'6". Toledo was a brilliant offensive team last year, but the lack of quality interior play meant the team's 2 PT FG% defense was dreadful. And if Toledo can't stop opponent from making 2's, I'm not sure they can do much to improve on last year's record. They need one of the young forwards to take an unexpected leap forward. Unfortunately, Zach Garber was very passive last year, and Aubrey Williams barely saw the court, so there isn't a lot of reason to expect those two to be quality post players this year.

Akron loses a ton of production, but Deji Ibitayo and Isaiah Johnson were quality reserves that should be ready to step into bigger roles and keep the team on a winning roll. The return of Jake Kretzer, who was injured in mid-February last year, will also be huge. Ohio also loses a ton of production, but their MAC title chances hinge on whether Kenny Kaminsky is granted immediate eligibility. Since he was dismissed from Michigan St., I think there is a strong chance Kaminsky will be granted a waiver.

When you look at my rankings at the end of October, Western Michigan may stand out as a surprise. A lot of people will have them as the MAC favorites after star David Brown was granted an extra year of eligibility. But I’m really concerned about the loss of 6'11" center Shayne Whittingon. Western Michigan didn't have another player over 6'6" in the final rotation last year and they don't have any key transfers coming in. They will likely be using a low-skilled inexperienced big man, or a very small lineup next year. Brown's return means the offense will be better, but with a slightly worse defense, I see them as a MAC title contender, not the favorite.

Finally, Kent St. looks like a sleeper team. Not only are four efficient starters back (Kris Brewer, Derek Jackson, Devareaux Manley, and Kellon Thomas), the team also adds three D1 transfers. The key is Jimmy Hall. Hall was kicked out of Hofstra after being arrested for burglary, but he was off to a brilliant start as a freshman. He looks like a very high potential option. Rutgers transfer Craig Brown and Rhode Island transfer Blake Vedder don't have quite the same upside, but the drop in competition level should help them, and after how poorly Kent St.'s bench played last year, their experience will help a lot.


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The Optimist
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  Message Not Read  RE: Dan Hanner early look at one-bid conferences
   Posted: 9/30/2014 12:48:59 PM 
Without reading the article, I was prepared to rip this as an uninformed take on OHIO.

Then I read it, specifically what I have quoted below:

Ted Thompson wrote:
Since he was dismissed from Michigan St., I think there is a strong chance Kaminsky will be granted a waiver.


Sure, he spelled Kaminski's name wrong. I'm not going to dwell on that. I'm not going to dwell on anything in this article except the word "strong" and every possible meaning for that word.

If Kaminski is granted a waiver, this team is going to be really freaking strong.


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Dan Hanner early look at one-bid conferences
   Posted: 9/30/2014 3:27:46 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
Without reading the article, I was prepared to rip this as an uninformed take on OHIO.

Then I read it, specifically what I have quoted below:

Ted Thompson wrote:
Since he was dismissed from Michigan St., I think there is a strong chance Kaminsky will be granted a waiver.


Sure, he spelled Kaminski's name wrong. I'm not going to dwell on that. I'm not going to dwell on anything in this article except the word "strong" and every possible meaning for that word.

If Kaminski is granted a waiver, this team is going to be really freaking strong.


Having not seen any practice or open gyms like some on here, I don't know what the freshmen + Thomas look like so far. I still say the success of the upcoming season hinges in a big way on the team getting a significant contributions from at least one of Harley, R. Taylor, or Laster.

Having Kaminski this year would be huge for sure, but I still think getting really good play from one of those young guys is a big key. I'm working under the assumption that Stevie and Bean will be playing together on the floor a lot, and that Mo, Tony and Setty will play a bunch of minutes. That still creates the need for contributions at the 2 & 3 spots from the younger guys and Thomas.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Dan Hanner early look at one-bid conferences
   Posted: 9/30/2014 3:55:20 PM 
Laster and especially taylor can throw down some nasty dunks when they're messing around. They post a lot on Instagram. Antonio also looks super slimmed down and bulked up in his arms/shoulders.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Dan Hanner early look at one-bid conferences
   Posted: 9/30/2014 4:19:43 PM 
cbarber357 wrote:
Laster and especially taylor can throw down some nasty dunks when they're messing around. They post a lot on Instagram. Antonio also looks super slimmed down and bulked up in his arms/shoulders.


I can throw down some nasty dunks on an 8 foot rim. But in the end, it doesn't mean anything. Can they play basketball well?
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The Optimist
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  Message Not Read  RE: Dan Hanner early look at one-bid conferences
   Posted: 9/30/2014 7:56:42 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
Without reading the article, I was prepared to rip this as an uninformed take on OHIO.

Then I read it, specifically what I have quoted below:

Ted Thompson wrote:
Since he was dismissed from Michigan St., I think there is a strong chance Kaminsky will be granted a waiver.


Sure, he spelled Kaminski's name wrong. I'm not going to dwell on that. I'm not going to dwell on anything in this article except the word "strong" and every possible meaning for that word.

If Kaminski is granted a waiver, this team is going to be really freaking strong.


Having not seen any practice or open gyms like some on here, I don't know what the freshmen + Thomas look like so far. I still say the success of the upcoming season hinges in a big way on the team getting a significant contributions from at least one of Harley, R. Taylor, or Laster.

Having Kaminski this year would be huge for sure, but I still think getting really good play from one of those young guys is a big key. I'm working under the assumption that Stevie and Bean will be playing together on the floor a lot, and that Mo, Tony and Setty will play a bunch of minutes. That still creates the need for contributions at the 2 & 3 spots from the younger guys and Thomas.



I agree with everything you said. Depth is, without question, the biggest question coming in for this squad. I feel really good about Stevie, Bean, Setty, NDOUR and Campbell. Those 5 alone could be a heck of a starting 5.

That isn't to say anything bad about the rest of this team... We just haven't seen pretty much ANYTHING from these guys. Even Wadly, who played last year, we only saw for a couple minutes.. There is no question we need someone, preferably multiple someones, to step up. How well will be incredibly important to the success of this team. Huge, huge, huge key. I am excited about what I heard about Harley...

That said, if Kaminski could play this year that could really be a nightmare for opposing teams. Like you, I think we will see a lot of Stevie AND Bean out there together and I think this is a good thing. Bean at the 2 with his ability to hit the 3 would really help with our loss of Kellogg as a sure-fire 3-point shooter. If we could add Kaminski's 3-point ability to Bean as well as the force that NDOUR has become down low not to mention the rest of this squad... That makes me giddy for Saul-ball.

My optimistic thought is that Kaminski is eligible AND we get solid play from someone in that other group... /greenkoolaid


I've seen crazier things happen.

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