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  Message Not Read  OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 9:06:32 AM 
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/13/ill.../

Groce has suspended him for a year.  This will make 2 seasons without playing after sitting out last year after transferring to Illinois from WMU.  His career seemed promising after being MAC Frosh of the year at Western.  It will be interesting to see what happens to him now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 9:45:50 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/13/ill.../

Groce has suspended him for a year.  This will make 2 seasons without playing after sitting out last year after transferring to Illinois from WMU.  His career seemed promising after being MAC Frosh of the year at Western.  It will be interesting to see what happens to him now.


Revoked his scholarship.  But Groce says they will continue to support him.  Weird.  I'm guessing he'll transfer and be wished the best in his future endeavors.



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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 9:56:44 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/13/ill.../

Groce has suspended him for a year.  This will make 2 seasons without playing after sitting out last year after transferring to Illinois from WMU.  His career seemed promising after being MAC Frosh of the year at Western.  It will be interesting to see what happens to him now.


Revoked his scholarship.  But Groce says they will continue to support him.  Weird.  I'm guessing he'll transfer and be wished the best in his future endeavors.




Perhaps he should have stayed at WMU?
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 11:25:32 AM 
His mother is quoted as saying that he transferred to Illinois to get a higher level of basketball.  She apparently didn't mention anything about getting an education.  Without the scholly, he likely won't get either.

Don't know what he did but I think it takes a lot for Groce to do suspend him.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 1:16:08 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
His mother is quoted as saying that he transferred to Illinois to get a higher level of basketball.  She apparently didn't mention anything about getting an education.  Without the scholly, he likely won't get either.

Don't know what he did but I think it takes a lot for Groce to do suspend him.


He was arrested about a month ago for underage drinking and obstructing a police officer but it sounds like that may be just the latest in a string of incidents based on the article.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 3:29:46 PM 
Kinda scary to think about how good Western could have been this past year had he stayed.  Add him to the mix with Whittington and Tava...yikes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 4:02:20 PM 
   The big boy for X, wears (wore?) glasses, did he transfer from WMU or CMU? And would he have been still on the team this past year had he not transferred?

Edit: Just rememberd his name, Stainrook, I think.

Last Edited: 5/14/2014 4:02:47 PM by bobcatsquared

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 7:34:34 PM 
Stainbrook transferred from WMU. 2013-14 would have been his senior season.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/14/2014 9:34:49 PM 
The police report is interesting and the entire story is a bit wild. JG met with parents and set down terms of suspension. After dealing with alcoholic addiction and drug use and dealing  from his transfers in Athens it seems he has taken a different approach than waiting for the problems to take care of themselves and run their course

GOod to learn from experience and have a better plan going forward. Kid seems to want to be part of Illinois basketball ....time will tell if JG :"s plan will be the thing that turns this young man's life around.

Additional reading sources

www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php

 my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80200029/






 

Last Edited: 5/14/2014 10:08:08 PM by bornacatfan


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/20/2014 11:13:01 PM 
Nice article in the CHicago press


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 5/21/2014 9:04:33 AM 
Wow, what a story unfolding at Illinois basketball.  Paul not being at Western Michigan this past year was a classic case of "addition by subtraction".   The "team" at Western was a better "team" without Paul and his issues. 
Hopefully the action taken by JG with the involvement of Paul's family will help to get to the root cause of this young man's issues, and help him to turn his life around before it is too late.

Sometimes we tend to forget that these college athletes are growing, developing, "sub-adults" that often make the same mistakes in the maturation and growth process that we all have witnessed or made !   I hope that this young man can take advantage of this 2nd chance, or 3rd chance, or last chance, or whatever the score is !  

Coach Groce is at least getting some decent press coverage for the way he is engaged in this entire situation, trying to make a difference.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 6/2/2014 8:45:00 AM 
Paul to Junior College:

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/31/sus.../
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 6/3/2014 11:39:29 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
Paul to Junior College:

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/31/sus.../

Been following the saga on their forum

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 6/3/2014 2:50:16 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Paul to Junior College:

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/31/sus.../

Been following the saga on their forum

 


As "in the know" as you are, I'll ask you what has been a burning question in my mind for a while: are the JUCO ranks the wild west of basketball?  It seems like no matter what the issue with a player, he can just go to a JUCO and play, maybe come back to major college basketball after that.  It paints the picture in my head of a very "loose," crazy atmosphere for JUCO hoops.  In no way am I saying it's full of guys who got suspended or had academic issues while playing major college ball, but it's where those problem guys all seem to end up.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 6/3/2014 3:12:10 PM 
I don't think I am "in the know" but Juco's offer a place for guys right out of HS to play while they may not be qualifiers under NCAA standards they can find a place to get back on track at Juco. Other guys go the Juco route if they are not happy with their offers, don't want to do a prep school and feel they have upside that is unseen or they have not had enough exposure for a D1 coach to have them onthe radar.

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JUcos IIRC only have to be a full time student  with a General High School diploma and a 1.75 GPA. Refer to the link above for clarification or go to eligibilitycorner.njcaa.org/

Jucos themselves are places where guys can rebuild or get a career on track. Like everything else in life the next situation is going to be a repeat of the last one if thre is nochange in the basic day to day operation of a life.










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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 6/4/2014 9:01:27 AM 
Thanks for the info.  It just seems like every time there is a problem with a player that leads to a suspension or being kicked off a team, the thought naturally goes to "he'll go to a JUCO." It makes me wonder if they take virtually anybody, regardless of the player's issues.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 6/4/2014 1:17:59 PM 
JUCOs include community colleges.  To my knowledge, all community colleges nationwide practice open admissions.  For example, anyone with a high school diploma can be admitted to the branch campuses of Ohio University.  If they do OK in the classroom, they can try to transfer to the Athens campus after a year or two.

As to whether these are "outlaw" programs, it's a mixed bag.  There are many well-run JUCO programs where there are solid expectations of players on and off the court.  There are some JUCO coaches who are great people who like working at that level.    Many good kids end up playing JUCO basketball for a plethora of reasons. 

Perhaps the biggest problem with JUCOs is the constant transferring from one JUCO to another.  Kids don't have to sit out if they transfer, so there is a lot of moving around.  JUCOs have a winter break of about three weeks.  Coaches always hold their breaths to see who does and does not return to the roster after the break.

Some JUCOs have very good facilities and decent salaries for coaches.  Other JUCOs pay a very modest salary to the head coach, and the other one or two coaches on staff are volunteers.  Some JUCOs play in very small high school gyms. 

A lot of kids realize the JUCO is their last chance to pave a road to a Div. I or Div. II or NAIA scholarship, so they clean up their act and buckle down and get their Associates Degrees.  But there are some bad apples who end up being kicked off the roster or quitting. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Darius Paul at Illinois
   Posted: 6/4/2014 6:39:58 PM 
From what I've heard, Division II is much more of a "Wild West" setting.


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