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Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,764 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/29/2014 3:57:13 PM  While Sterling is obviously a racist idiot, I'm not sure the penalty fits the crime. From what I'm hearing Sterling is going to take this to court.  It'll be interesting to see how the court system handles this issue.  I know that on the surface this is a matter of an NBA contract with their owners that includes a relevant morality clause, but it might get more complex if Sterling does follow through with threats to litigate.   The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/29/2014 4:08:52 PM  100%Cat wrote: OUVan wrote: While I agree with the penalty this creates an interesting dynamic.  What are they going to do when a player inevitably spouts similarly racist comments?  I think it's a hugely different dynamic coming from an owner of a franchise vs a player. I agree that there is a difference but if you are going to give Sterling the equivalent of the death penalty you have to come down pretty hard on anyone else that says something stupid.  Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,225 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/29/2014 4:10:55 PM  Can't wait to constantly hear about this for the next couple years as the courts hold things up and all the drama that will ensue as the Clippers try to continue to operate. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,734 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/29/2014 5:34:33 PM  The interesting thing to me is how she baited him, recorded their conversation and leaked the recording. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. He apparently gave her several million dollars worth of stuff, but even that wasn't enough to buy her loyalty. A racist and a gold digger. What a match made in heaven. This is all about money. Elgin Baylor sued Sterling and called him a racist, but didn't do so until he was fired. He worked for the man for 23 years! There were signs everywhere that Sterling was a bad guy for many years, but nobody called him on it because of money. Doc Rivers had to know about the man, as he played for the Clippers, then went to coach them. Money. Last Edited: 4/29/2014 5:35:25 PM by giacomo Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,548 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/29/2014 5:45:25 PM  giacomo wrote: The interesting thing to me is how she baited him, recorded their conversation and leaked the recording. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. He apparently gave her several million dollars worth of stuff, but even that wasn't enough to buy her loyalty. A racist and a gold digger. What a match made in heaven. This is all about money. Elgin Baylor sued Sterling and called him a racist, but didn't do so until he was fired. He worked for the man for 23 years! There were signs everywhere that Sterling was a bad guy for many years, but nobody called him on it because of money. Doc Rivers had to know about the man, as he played for the Clippers, then went to coach them. Money. High profile position requires that he not be caught on tape. This is not his first rodeo, just the first one so public. What a jackass. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/29/2014 9:38:03 PM  colobobcat66 wrote: giacomo wrote: The interesting thing to me is how she baited him, recorded their conversation and leaked the recording. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. He apparently gave her several million dollars worth of stuff, but even that wasn't enough to buy her loyalty. A racist and a gold digger. What a match made in heaven. This is all about money. Elgin Baylor sued Sterling and called him a racist, but didn't do so until he was fired. He worked for the man for 23 years! There were signs everywhere that Sterling was a bad guy for many years, but nobody called him on it because of money. Doc Rivers had to know about the man, as he played for the Clippers, then went to coach them. Money. High profile position requires that he not be caught on tape. This is not his first rodeo, just the first one so public. What a jackass. I wondered about the privacy issue.  Some states allow conversations to be recorded with only one party's consent while other states require the consent of all parties.  But apparently he had asked her to tape their conversations so he could remember what was said.  And he thought she would never use them against him.  The guy is apparently dumber than Nixon.  The guy's entitled to his opinions (as screwy as they are) and should be able to discuss them in private conversations but damn near anything can become public -- especially when you're talking to someone who's a social media freak.  I think owners, coaches and even front office people are held to a higher standard than players because they're in a position of authority.  Plus nobody buys a ticket to watch owners own, coaches coach or office people office.  It might not be fair but life isn't always fair. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 1:16:14 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: While Sterling is obviously a racist idiot, I'm not sure the penalty fits the crime.  If this was an isolated incident? Perhaps not. But I like to think this is a culmination of years and years of abhorrent behavior from the man. He doesn't deserve to be the owner of an NBA franchise. He doesn't deserve a lot of the things he has. Of course, those comments going public was such a black eye. Millions of dollars were lost almost instantly from sponsorships. There was the risk players would refuse to play. Who was going to sign there? I don't know how the NBA could allow him to continue after that. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,598 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 7:04:46 AM  JSF wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: While Sterling is obviously a racist idiot, I'm not sure the penalty fits the crime.  If this was an isolated incident? Perhaps not. But I like to think this is a culmination of years and years of abhorrent behavior from the man. He doesn't deserve to be the owner of an NBA franchise. He doesn't deserve a lot of the things he has. According to the newspapers and sports radio out here,everyone knew the guy was a racist. The papers said that he owns a lot of real estate and has settled a bunch of lawsuits over discrimination in renting/selling. This just seems to be the first time he got nailed sayng something related to the NBA. They were  saying on the radio yesterday that Sterling  refers to his current and former girlfriends as "whores" (apparently some may have been) and "gold digging trash". They were also saying that only  the reason his current girlfriend went public is because Sterling's wife and family sued her to get back the gifts he gave her (1-2 Bentlys,Ferrari,2 mil. Apt.). Hopefully now the whole thing settles down,unless of course he decides to fight the penalty in court. Last Edited: 4/30/2014 7:06:39 AM by rpbobcat Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,446 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 7:47:57 AM  Move the team to Seattle and let Sterling fight his way through court for the next decade. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,548 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 8:05:30 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Move the team to Seattle and let Sterling fight his way through court for the next decade. He's 80 so that may be a little long for him Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 10:46:41 AM  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615765/Shaquille-ONeal-accused-bullying-DISABLED-fan-removing-Instagram-shot-mocking-mans-selfie.html How swift will the judgement be on Shaq? Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 11:52:04 AM  OUVan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615765/Shaquille-ONeal-accused-bullying-DISABLED-fan-removing-Instagram-shot-mocking-mans-selfie.html How swift will the judgement be on Shaq? To the extent I have any problem with the Sterling punishment (and it's a very minimal problem.....from a business standpoint you cannot have Sterling associated with the league any longer), this is it. Sterling has a long history of saying/doing stupid/offensive/racist things, and the hammer should have dropped a long time ago so that we now don't have people like Shaq (who is unquestionably more high profile than Sterling from a marketing standpoint) saying/doing equally stupid/offensive things. The outrage seems inconsistent. You could blame David Stern for not doing anything in the past, but to my knowledge the league hasn't officially addressed Shaq's current stupidity. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,446 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 11:53:44 AM  And now Larry Johnson says there should be an all-black basketball league. How does this just get swept under the rug? Reverse-racism is still racism. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/04/28/in-wake-of-sterlin.../ Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,630 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 12:11:33 PM  C Money wrote: OUVan wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615765/Shaquille-ONeal-accused-bullying-DISABLED-fan-removing-Instagram-shot-mocking-mans-selfie.html How swift will the judgement be on Shaq? To the extent I have any problem with the Sterling punishment (and it's a very minimal problem.....from a business standpoint you cannot have Sterling associated with the league any longer), this is it. Sterling has a long history of saying/doing stupid/offensive/racist things, and the hammer should have dropped a long time ago so that we now don't have people like Shaq (who is unquestionably more high profile than Sterling from a marketing standpoint) saying/doing equally stupid/offensive things. The outrage seems inconsistent. You could blame David Stern for not doing anything in the past, but to my knowledge the league hasn't officially addressed Shaq's current stupidity. Wouldn't Shaq have to be affiliated with the league to be punished by the league?  Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he was an announcer with TNT, not working directly for the NBA. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 12:31:36 PM  100%Cat wrote: Wouldn't Shaq have to be affiliated with the league to be punished by the league?  Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he was an announcer with TNT, not working directly for the NBA. You don't think the league has any say into who does games? Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 12:32:55 PM  100%Cat wrote: Wouldn't Shaq have to be affiliated with the league to be punished by the league?  Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he was an announcer with TNT, not working directly for the NBA. You may be right, but even so I'd be shocked if there wasn't a conduct clause in both his employment contract with TNT and with TNT's broadcast contract with the NBA. The league absolutely cannot have it's lead marketing personas making stupid and offensive comments. The racial aspect of Sterling's comments is especially galling since, oh, the vast majority of key employees (the players) are of the race he is targeting, and the league was facing a player boycott if something wasn't done . But from a marketing/PR standpoint, Shaq's conduct might be worse. Before the TMZ article, what percentage of the general public knew who Donald Sterling was? And what percentage of the general public knew who Shaquille O'Neal was? In Shaq's defense, he has apparently apologized, and I don't think Sterling has. But if Sterling wasn't stealing all the headlines right now, Shaq would have to get some kind of suspension or the league would be facing torches and pitchforks. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,630 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 2:30:52 PM  OUVan wrote: 100%Cat wrote: Wouldn't Shaq have to be affiliated with the league to be punished by the league?  Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought he was an announcer with TNT, not working directly for the NBA. You don't think the league has any say into who does games? I think TNT/NBA has a broadcaster who was fired from NBC over his sodomy charge and subsequent assault and battery conviction in Marv Albert and a compulsive gambler with a DUI history in Charles Barkley...I'm not so sure that Shaq mocking a handicapped guy is going to get him booted.  Not that it isn't a bad thing that Shaq did, but I'd rank it below sodomy and DUI if I were ranking evils. Back to Top Speaker of Truth General User Member Since: 1/26/2011 Post Count: 441 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 2:45:47 PM  A few owners in the NBA have been outspoken critics of gay marriage and some have even donated money to groups trying to prevent passage of laws.  I would think the NBA should want to crack down on these bigots as well?   Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,347 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 2:52:01 PM  JSF wrote: He doesn't deserve to be the owner of an NBA franchise. He doesn't deserve a lot of the things he has. No one, of course, "deserves" to be an NBA owner and I don't mean to mince words.  He was definitely not "worthy" of the task and his fellow owners, his business partners, are the ones who get to judge that.  It may be a sports league but it's also the highest form of private enterprise.  If GM fired their president for for being a racist and a blooming idiot that would be the end of it.  So should it be in this case. At a minimum, he had a responsibility to the league not to screw things up and he did.  I think the big question to be litigated here is whether they can actually force him to sell.  I just read a really interesting article (SI, I think) about the last ABA team left after the merger.  They agreed to be bought out and fold for a percentage of future TV money.  Over two or three decades as the pot kept getting biger and bigger, the NBA failed in every attempt to buy them or force them out.  I see parallels here. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,473 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 2:53:12 PM  the123kid wrote: A few owners in the NBA have been outspoken critics of gay marriage and some have even donated money to groups trying to prevent passage of laws.  I would think the NBA should want to crack down on these bigots as well?   I think there should just be a great flood. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 4:14:06 PM  the123kid wrote: A few owners in the NBA have been outspoken critics of gay marriage and some have even donated money to groups trying to prevent passage of laws.  I would think the NBA should want to crack down on these bigots as well?   Yes, thou shall think like I think, or thou shall be destroyed--by any means necessary.   Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,948 Status: Offline     RE: OT: Donald Sterling, good riddance    Posted: 4/30/2014 4:21:09 PM  Robert Fox wrote: the123kid wrote: A few owners in the NBA have been outspoken critics of gay marriage and some have even donated money to groups trying to prevent passage of laws.  I would think the NBA should want to crack down on these bigots as well?   Yes, thou shall think like I think, or thou shall be destroyed--by any means necessary From a business standpoint it is one thing to support an amendment, and another to say you do not want a certain group as a customer base ("I do not want them at my games") - especially a customer base that you share with 29 other franchisees. Remember, he does not own the LA Clippers.  He owns the NBA franchise assigned to LA known as the Clippers. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 66 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2 | 3    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 244 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 244 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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