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Topic: Latest in transfer trends.

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bornacatfan
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Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/24/2014 9:45:15 PM

Interesting reading concerning transfers

Like the joke about how kids make decisions on what college to choose.

A basketball recruit dies. At the pearly gates, he's greeted by God and the devil.

God: We're going to allow you to make a decision on what you'd like to do.

Recruit: Really? I know what I want to do.

God: You have to check out each place.

The recruit goes with the devil to hell. It's absolutely awesome. Guys are playing ball every day in front of packed arenas. There's eating, drinking and partying with pretty women.

Recruit: If this is hell, I can't wait to get to heaven.

He goes to heaven. It's sedate, not much going on. His family, friends and dog are there. But it's pretty quiet.

God: So what do you want to do?

Recruit: I've made my decision, I'm going with the devil.

He goes with the devil, walks into the gates of hell. It's fire and brimstone and everyone is screaming. It's the worst thing he's ever seen.

Recruit: Wait a minute? What happened to all the ball playing? And food? And women? And partying?

Devil: That was your official visit. This is what it's really like.

never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/24/2014 11:09:21 PM

What's up with your state's teams? Indiana and Butler have lost about half of their rosters in the last couple weeks.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/25/2014 7:18:28 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

What's up with your state's teams? Indiana and Butler have lost about half of their rosters in the last couple weeks.

Speaking of Indiana.......when was the last time there was not a single school from the state playing in the NCAA tournament?

It didn't seem right to me that there were states like Nebraska and New Mexico with multiple schools and no one from Indiana given all of their contributions to the game over the years.

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bornacatfan
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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/25/2014 11:30:03 AM

OUcats82 wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

What's up with your state's teams? Indiana and Butler have lost about half of their rosters in the last couple weeks.

THis is an interesting time in Indiana. We started the Bleeding with Coach Groce. He got a few high profile recruits like Justin Cage to X then got a succession of guys like Oden/Conley/Offutt/Thomas to tO$U. McWhiney to Duke and Dom James to Marquette while Mike Davis and Kelvin Sampson screwed the recruiting pooch. Purdue ran the state fora couple of years with Painter getting Jujuan Johnson, Hummel, Martin and some good recruits but his divorce got messy and took a toll. THe end result of those gaffes is ISU kept a couple of good pieces in state and got back to the tourney but the higher profile recruits are leaving the state. We had 9 Indiana kids in the Big Ten title game between Mich/Mich State. There are Indiana kids all over the NCAA but very few playing for Indiana teams. Illinois has the exact same problem with kids at Duke, Wisky, WIchita St.

Not sure what it is going to take to keep kids in state but the coaches here with IU/PU are not recruiting well and Brey tends to use transfers to build a program since his days at Delaware. IUPUI is poised to take a few high profile transfers who want to come home and Butler seriously needed to upgrade bodies and talent to compete in the Big East so that may be a blessing anyway. I looked at their guards vs Big East guards and tried to explain to the Butler Diehards the difference but they kept referring to their players being good enough for the Final Four instead of looking with their own eyes to see that Barlow did not look anything like the players he was facing on a nightly basis. They may get their injuries back back but the rest of the talent and bodies need upgraded. Holtmann has his work cut out for him if they are going to compete nighly in the Big East. There are 10 D1 programs in the state of Indiana. I think the last time none made the NCAA was back in the 80's or 90's.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/25/2014 1:31:23 PM

The College Basketball Talk site page is covered in "______ is transferring from ______" today. Seems like a lot of guys changing jerseys already, I'm sure it will only get busier.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/25/2014 9:08:51 PM

borna--We all see with our self-interest lens...we're all human. But it's always interesting to hear people who are so stuck in their own self-interest that they see what they want to see instead of the rather evident truth.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/25/2014 9:53:00 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

legalized marijuana again? Better work on the dosage with your doc.

Pete Chouteau
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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/25/2014 10:15:15 PM

When he was a coach at Kent and when OU hired him, I was really concerned that JC uses too many transfers to stock his program. I'd certainly say I fell into the mindset that Ohio is good enough to only need 4 year players. I assumed players' only options in a transfer were either from a junior college that skirted some academic shortcomings or an unhappy guy coming from a higher profile program.

My thinking has evolved as I've watched players move in every direction among programs that include the bluest of bloods.

I'm not comfortable with the hijinks that can happen when a high major coach sees a mid major player working at a level above his peers and planting seeds to that effect (cough, what happens in Providence stays in Providence, cough). But I no longer think Ohio needs to set itself outside the practice.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/25/2014 11:57:52 PM

Indiana = How much BIGs or Mids Media Opportunity $? The BIGs NCAA "CARTEL" the real issue?

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/26/2014 12:54:49 AM

Does anybody think or remember if we've been hurt from a player transferring out? It sounds like it almost all cases transferring is a benefit at Ohio.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/26/2014 8:14:55 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Does anybody think or remember if we've been hurt from a player transferring out? It sounds like it almost all cases transferring is a benefit at Ohio.

I feel dirty even bringing this up, but since you asked...

http://www.muredhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2610...

http://www.bbstate.com/teams/MIO/player/jason-grunkemeyer/99

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/26/2014 8:40:07 AM

Would you like to retract the question, Wes?

The pain is still fresh.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/27/2014 1:36:23 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Wait a minute. Apparently some of you think that the above was an attack at bornacat. I can see where one might think so but I think that's a VERY wrong reading. If I was attacking borna, I would have said "you."

What I'm saying above is that some people are so stuck in their self-interest/rigid viewpoint that they do not see info/realtiy/facts that would change their view and/or which would give them different thinking on what their self-interest is. Some people think and act against their own self interest because they are stuck.

I wask, in fact, agreeing with borna on the thought that some fans (but not borna) are so glued to the past that they ain't seeing the present and future clearly.

Sorry, but I think those of you who thought I was attacking borna are way off base here. (I think borna took it that way given his 'weed' remark...which remark I didn't understand at all until someone pm'd me with the thought that my remarks were taken as an attack on borna).

This is what borna posted which I was referring to and agreeing with: "I looked at their guards vs Big East guards and tried to explain to the Butler Diehards the difference but they kept referring to their players being good enough for the Final Four instead of looking with their own eyes to see that Barlow did not look anything like the players he was facing on a nightly basis. They may get their injuries back back but the rest of the talent and bodies need upgraded."

Last Edited: 3/27/2014 1:40:46 PM by Monroe Slavin

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/27/2014 1:51:37 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Does anybody think or remember if we've been hurt from a player transferring out? It sounds like it almost all cases transferring is a benefit at Ohio.

Jeremy Fears, Frankie Dobbs, Jay Kinney, Ethan Jacobs, Tyquane Goard to name a few recent ones.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/27/2014 2:17:43 PM

Jay Kinney was booted, correct? As so, in a sense, was Goard.

100%Cat
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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/27/2014 4:02:48 PM

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/26/dus.../

Two Texas Tech guys want out. Any chance Willis would have ties to either of them? Could Christian have recruited either guy while he was at TCU?

bornacatfan
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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/27/2014 7:09:44 PM

ahhhh Monroe.

I thought you were responding to the Indiana response. I just chalked it up to Medical Marijuana, now finding that it was entirely different subject.

Thanks for the explanation.

You are pretty spot on with the Buttdog analysis.

Sometimes we need a program to tell the players in the left coast stream of consciousness.

bornacatfan
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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/27/2014 7:13:12 PM

SBH wrote:

Jay Kinney was booted, correct? As so, in a sense, was Goard.

yes and yes.....so was Ethan....in a sense

Dobbs and Waters left with TOS.......then there was that long line of funerals.

Last Edited: 3/27/2014 7:14:27 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/29/2014 3:01:18 PM

Seems to me this is an appropriate place to observe the announcement that Kevin Ware is transferring out of Louisville.

I just don't understand how it progresses to that point.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/29/2014 5:59:19 PM

This quote from the original article that borna posted is interesting:

Of the 1,039 Division I men's basketball freshmen to enroll in 2010, 412 of them have transferred or left their initial school. That's a 40-percent clip.

Did 40% of those 1039 kids really pick the wrong academic institution to attend?

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/29/2014 7:54:14 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Non athletes do it at a 30% clip - so no real surprise here

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/27/college...;

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/29/2014 10:06:04 PM

RSBobcat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Non athletes do it at a 30% clip - so no real surprise here

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/27/college...;

One of the major differences though is finances. Scholarship athletes don't have to worry about who's buying the books.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/30/2014 9:19:48 PM

Mark Alstork and Quentin Payne leaving the Ball State program. Both 6-4 guards with good upside. Too bad , I liked both of them.

Jason Gardner recruited Payne to Loyola . Wonder if there is a chance he ends up at IUPUI

Can Whitford run into any worse situations? This has been a dumpster fire since Ronnie Thompson screwed the pooch, really can;t wait for Gora to retire and her husband to quit meddling in the program

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/30/2014 9:22:57 PM

RSBobcat wrote:

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Non athletes do it at a 30% clip - so no real surprise here

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/27/college...;

I think it is comparing apples to oranges. Given the recruitment process of an athlete vs students choosing schools I see 40% and increasing as an alarming trend.

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RE: Latest in transfer trends.

Posted: 3/30/2014 10:59:10 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

RSBobcat wrote:

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Non athletes do it at a 30% clip - so no real surprise here

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/27/college...;

I think it is comparing apples to oranges. Given the recruitment process of an athlete vs students choosing schools I see 40% and increasing as an alarming trend.

Agree - but I also think both are trends reflected in our society overall. More mobile, less static.

RS Bobcat

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