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Topic: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

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OU_Country
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Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 10:03:48 AM

In the thread talking about Shaka, and his apparent rejection of the Marquette deal, I started thinking about what the truly Elite programs, and therefore coaching jobs, are.

I'm tossing out these as the top tier, but which ones are next?

Kentucky
Kansas
Indiana
Louisville
Duke
N. Carolina
Syracuse
Michigan State
UCLA
Arizona
Georgetown
Texas
Ohio State
Pitt
Florida
Oklahoma

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 10:54:12 AM

Michigan, Connecticut

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 11:00:01 AM

Wisconsin and Virginia? Tennessee?

Last Edited: 3/26/2014 11:00:49 AM by Mark Lembright '85

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 11:04:21 AM

OU_Country wrote:

I'm not so sure Texas, Oklahoma or Pitt make my "elite" group. They would certainly be in the next tier, but not sure they are "elite." Shoot, when's the last time Texas did anything significant in the NCAA Tournament? Or Oklahoma? Personally, I'd put Oklahoma State above both of them. And I would probably replacePitt with UConn in your list.

In the next group I would put (in no particular order):

Villanova
Marquette (falling)
Michigan (rising - fast)
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
Texas
Pitt
Gonzaga
Xavier
Memphis
Cincinnati
Maryland
Wisconsin

And then there's a whole other list of teams that are jumping back and forth between great and ok like NC State, Wake Forest, UNLV, New Mexico, Purdue, West Virginia, St. John's, Providence, DePaul, Seton Hall. Then you have to think about rising teams like Creighton, Wichita State, Butler, Dayton, etc.

If we're talking about jobs you absolutely can't turn down, I think it comes down to Kansas, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky and Indiana. I'm interested to see where Syracuse and Georgetown go once Boeheim and someone other than a Thompson coaches them.

Last Edited: 3/26/2014 11:05:16 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 11:19:24 AM

OU_Country wrote:

I would draw a line after Arizona and consider team above "elite" and teams below second tier (along with a few other schools) - although Georgetown I could be talked into throwing them in the elite status. The rest of the teams (minus Pitt) is always going to play second fiddle to the football programs at the schools - I would almost drop UCLA for the same reason (although it is hard to look past the Wooden days).

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 2:06:32 PM

There are limited Elite schools that have fanbases that are bigger than the coaches they hire.

Kansas
Kentucky
North Carolina

Others that have had success that are presently destinations are

Duke
Louisville
Indiana (fast falling from the days of Branch McCracken/RMK)

Those programs that have been successful that still have an aura for an aspiring coach but have not had sustained fanbase participation and have not withstood tests of time

NC State (Frank McGuire/Everett Case)
Cincy
tO$U
UCLA

Remains to be seen whether these programs will stay strong with coaching changes into the future but I do not consider them destinations at the pinnacle

Syracuse
UCONN
Villanova
Michigan State

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 2:15:59 PM

Yeah, I'm always leery of Cult of Personality programs like Duke, UConn, Georgetown and Syracuse being long-term Mount Rushmore programs.

Although Arizona did a nice job of moving past Lute.

I cannot think of a program that has a bigger hire than Duke does replacing Coach K. If they get it wrong, they're back to being second fiddle to UNC perhaps for a long time.

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 2:30:06 PM

Brian Smith wrote:

Similar to what Penn State football would have dealt with had Paterno left under normal circumstances.

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 4:53:05 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

I find the Oklahoma State inclusion interesting. I like a lot about them, but I would put even Texas above them myself.

When including UNLV & New Mexico, you absolutely MUST also put San Diego State into the conversation. In that second tier, is Stanford part of the conversation? Oregon? Mizzou? Bama? BYU?

I also find it interesting that Notre Dame and Purdue aren't on any post thus far.

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 4:54:51 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

There are limited Elite schools that have fanbases that are bigger than the coaches they hire.

I like the way you sort them out here. My only question is, why not put Indiana in that top tier?

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 5:44:13 PM

OU_Country wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

There are limited Elite schools that have fanbases that are bigger than the coaches they hire.

I like the way you sort them out here. My only question is, why not put Indiana in that top tier?

My answer to that question would be maybe that Indiana is still on the rise? As much progress as Tom Crean has made in 6 seasons, this season helps serve as proof that the rebuilding is not done

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 6:51:30 PM

Tough to pick out who is in the first tier and who is in the second. Michigan State to be belongs in the first tier because they have the large arena and recent final fours. I would place Georgetown and Villanova in the second tier with Memphis and Xavier. To be true first tier you have to be a member of a BCS conference. Third tier I would reserve for programs like New Mexico and San Diego State that are in the Top 20 every once in a while.

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RE: Coaching Carousel - what are the "elite" schools

Posted: 3/26/2014 9:10:02 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

BCS Conference? I'll take the quality of the Mountain West over the quality of the "new" Big East at the current time.

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