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Eagle66
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OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 7:07:03 PM

I was watching the start of the Rutgers UConn game on ESPN2, and they called an administrative tech on a Rutgers player for dunking after the officials walked onto the floor during warm ups. It game UConn 2 free throws before the game started. Am I the only one who didn't know that was a rule?

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 7:13:24 PM

You cant dunk in warm ups at any level below NBA. I received a T early in my coaching career when my 6 foot five 7th grader dunked in warm ups. His response"Nobody told me I couldn't dunk".

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 7:26:55 PM

You can't dunk once the refs are on the floor. However, if you get to one of our games super early, like when the doors open, you'll see that alley-oops are part of our regular warmup routine.

What's interesting is when you get those really high profile high school games, like when Oak Hill Academy played the OJ Mayo/Bill Walker led North College Hill team at US Bank Arena. The warmups were nothing but dunks.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 7:30:45 PM

Pretty sure the rule is you cant touch the rim in warmups. You can dunk as long as you dont touch the rim.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 7:49:06 PM

bobcat28 wrote:

Pretty sure the rule is you cant touch the rim in warmups. You can dunk as long as you dont touch the rim.

pretty sure that is not the rule. I have seen a player tempt fate by holding the ball over the rim and dropping it in get whistled for a T ........probably because the ref had been proactive and gave him a warning and the kid being a smart ass pulled that move then winked at the ref mockingly. Kids are stupid ....that is not the way to start a game with a ref you do not know.

IIRC the rule was put in place because several rims and glass backboards over the course of a season became casualties and games were pushed back, postponed or canceled till they got replacements. FOr some reason once a kid finds out he can dunk he has to keep doing it ......

Dustin was yelling at a player who had just mastered the dunk...he kept doing it over and over and Ford kept yelling at him fearing that he was going to hurt his hand or an ankle....amused and knowing the kid was not going to stop I walked over and said ..."Dustin....you have a male toddler? " He said he did .... I said ...."has he found his penis yet?" He said he had ....I asked :"how many times have you had to tell him to quit playing with it?" He laughed knowing what I was getting at......No difference between toddlers and teens who found they can dunk IMO.

And to the OP up top....... I think there are probably a few folks in the world who do not know that is a Tech...but not many.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 8:45:36 PM

We were always told in high school that you can throw the ball through the hoop but not touch the rim. Everyone who was able did this in pre-game and I never saw one person get a technical. One hand, two handed, didnt matter. Maybe it is the league or ref discretion on whether to call this. Maybe it was them just not enforcing the rules. Not sure.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 9:09:59 PM

It was not legal in OU intramurals about 10 years ago to dunk in warmups. Once in a tournament game, the other team did and they got a technical and we got free throws before the start of the game. Even though Austen Everson was on our team, that was our only lead.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 9:15:52 PM

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 10:08:55 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

It was not legal in OU intramurals about 10 years ago to dunk in warmups. Once in a tournament game, the other team did and they got a technical and we got free throws before the start of the game. Even though Austen Everson was on our team, that was our only lead.

BobcatSquared made the same mistake for our team back in the early 80s. Boy could sky

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 10:37:32 PM

I saw Eric Snow get a technical for that before a HS game started.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 10:41:15 PM

cc cat wrote:

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

It was not legal in OU intramurals about 10 years ago to dunk in warmups. Once in a tournament game, the other team did and they got a technical and we got free throws before the start of the game. Even though Austen Everson was on our team, that was our only lead.

BobcatSquared made the same mistake for our team back in the early 80s. Boy could sky

"Could" sky? Why past tense? We're not that old.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 10:50:52 PM

Dunking During Pre-game
Dunking is defined in the NFHS Basketball Rule Book as “Dunking or stuffing is the driving, forcing, pushing or attempting to force a ball through the basket with the hand(s).” A player does not have to touch the rim for it to be considered a dunk. The Basketball Manual specifically addresses that players are not to dunk during warm-up periods and it is the responsibility of the administration and coaches to ensure this does not happen. Once the officials take the floor for pre-game (approximately 15 minutes prior) they are to assess a technical foul to any player who dunks the ball. An indirect technical would also be assessed to the head coach. Prior to this time and during the warm-up at half-time of an earlier game it is the responsibility of the administration and coaches to ensure this doesn’t happen.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 11:04:26 PM

borna, do you know approximately when this rule was established? I can remember that at some point in the past it was common to see players dunk during warmups, even in high school. I'm guessing that maybe this went in after the dunk was brought back and made legal in the college game. As you will recall there was a several year stretch when the dunk was outlawed in college basketball. Until this thread, I was not aware of this no-dunk-during-warmup rule, but I guess I should have been because now that I think about it I haven't seen it for a long, long time.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/25/2014 11:32:28 PM

I always thought it was interesting that my dad would tell me that they weren't allowed to dunk during games when he was in high school.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/26/2014 12:04:53 AM

My very first NBA game was Christmas Day around 1986 in Philly. The Sixers were playing the Hawks. The best part of pregame was seeing Maute Bol talking to Spud Webb. The second best thing was the pregame dunk contest that started between Dominique Wilkins and Spud Webb. Wilkins shattered the backboard, but Austin Carr took the blame for it because, at the time, it resulted in a suspension for that game. The start of the game was delayed almost an hour while they switched out the shattered backboard for a new one.

When I was in high school and was finally able to dunk, I wanted to do it in warmups, but was too scared of drawing a technical foul. Since I never got an opportunity to throw one down in competition, now I wish I had done it pregame and just dealt with the coach's wrath. We would've lost anyway, so it probably would've been worth it to shhatch classmates that I could actually do it.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/26/2014 12:43:53 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

borna, do you know approximately when this rule was established? I can remember that at some point in the past it was common to see players dunk during warmups, even in high school. I'm guessing that maybe this went in after the dunk was brought back and made legal in the college game. As you will recall there was a several year stretch when the dunk was outlawed in college basketball. Until this thread, I was not aware of this no-dunk-during-warmup rule, but I guess I should have been because now that I think about it I haven't seen it for a long, long time.

First Dunks in 1945 sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2003/01/13/10_kurland/ It was considered bad form or showbaoting for many years.

Outlawed in 67 both in and pre game ...

Reinstated in 76 in game only. Rationale for keeping pre game out was two fold. Intimidation factor and equipment failure. Tech for pre game dunk and forfeit if you broke it so that game could not go off on time.

I listen to obtuse arguments about basketball from many sources. Today I watched a HS game where an announcer was using his platform to push a shot clock.....but this by far has to be the worst argument I have ever read and it concerns pregame dunking. How about this line.....

There are very few Maine high school players who can dunk without grasping the rim after attempting to dunk. I have seen many missed dunks in Maine high school and college basketball games.
What I have seen are injuries ranging from concussions to broken arms, wrists, ankles and cuts while attempting to dunk, especially off the dribble or on the move.
Dunking is a skill in itself so it really needs to be practiced if a player is going to use it in a game.

His debate coach might have a raised eyebrow.

Then again given today's performance practicing dunks pre game might be pretty good.......

Last Edited: 1/26/2014 12:45:25 AM by bornacatfan

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/26/2014 12:47:26 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

. . . Then again given today's performance practicing dunks pre game might be pretty good.......

Amen, bro!

And, thanks for the answer to my question about when the pre-game-no-dunk rule went into effect.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/26/2014 8:53:50 AM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

I always thought it was interesting that my dad would tell me that they weren't allowed to dunk during games when he was in high school.

That was the time period that we played in. On the playground, it was a different story. Some of those dunks were amazing. It's almost like some guys saved up all of their "school" dunks for the blacktop.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/26/2014 2:51:38 PM

Wasn't dunking in games in college outlawed significantly because of Wilt? No one was going to stop his dunks and someone mighta gotten hurt trying.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/26/2014 3:24:29 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Wasn't dunking in games in college outlawed significantly because of Wilt? No one was going to stop his dunks and someone mighta gotten hurt trying.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/26/2014 3:46:35 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Wasn't dunking in games in college outlawed significantly because of Wilt? No one was going to stop his dunks and someone mighta gotten hurt trying.

You can probably use your search terms with dunk lew alcindor and wooden and find ample conversation to make a day's reading...Wilt had been a pro quite a while by then.

Last Edited: 1/26/2014 3:47:08 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 1/27/2014 6:56:04 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

And to the OP up top....... I think there are probably a few folks in the world who do not know that is a Tech...but not many.

I guess having never played or coached basketball formally, I never really paid attention to the pre-game rules. No theres one less person who never knew it was a tech haha.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 3/21/2014 10:08:01 PM

UK 1, KSU 0 before the tip tonight.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 3/21/2014 10:28:14 PM

Mike Coleman wrote:

UK 1, KSU 0 before the tip tonight.

Stupid walk on... pull his scholly.

I love it.

Got a little sideways with Greg Anthony espousing his view. "this rule is stupid",,, NO >..stupiid is the fact hat every player who plays knows the rule and yet at this level this clown can't quit clowning. Rulke is there for a reason and it is well thought out. Accept it and live with it. Probably thinks exchanging rosters and putting numbers in the book is stupid too.

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RE: OT - Rutgers Administrative Technical Foul

Posted: 3/22/2014 1:49:45 AM

What's stupid is that kicking the ball stops play and gives the ball to the oppo. Just treat it as nothing and keep playing.

Last Edited: 3/22/2014 1:50:02 AM by Monroe Slavin

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