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MonroeClassmate
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Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 12:07:27 PM

Wisconsin lays a butt kicking on Illinois. How can a big ten team recruiting in Illinois get owned the whole game?

Comparing games is usless but Toledo vs Kansas and Ohio vs State were not total domination by two perennial powers but is Wisconsin typically in the same category as Kansas or O$U?

Was the Illini rating going into this game a bit inflated?

Is Wisconsin that good?

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 12:09:22 PM

Wisconsin's pretty good. But this is basketball. Sometimes you just don't play well. I don't think this means Wisconsin is that much better than Illinois or Illinois is that bad. I guess that's life in the B1G.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 12:18:18 PM

Wisky is playing REAALLLY well right now...especially at home.

Groce had a bare cupboard coming in. He is doing really well but 5 frosh on the floor in a hostile Kohl Center with Bo controlling the refs. Knowing Fran got tossed a couple of nights ago JG was pretty reserved. What else can you be when you go from 13 10 to 33 10 ? They lost the 2nd half by 2 points so at least he got to them at the half and stopped the bleeding.

As usual he took the blame off the kids and talked about what they did not get done as a program. Class.

Just one of those nights in the BIG.

www.youtube.com/watch

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Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 12:28:55 PM

It's pretty tough to out fox Bo Ryan. That guy can coach 'em up! He does more wore with his talent than anyone, in my opinion.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 12:37:35 PM

giacomo wrote:

It's pretty tough to out fox Bo Ryan. That guy can coach 'em up! He does more wore with his talent than anyone, in my opinion.

Which is why when he does find talent he doesn't let them get away or leave, haha.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/bo-ryan-first-public-comments-jarrod-uthoff-only-133056874.html

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 1:10:26 PM

My Dad went to Wisconsin and my family is up there so I sort of follow them and I think they are as good as I can ever remember them. They've always had the great discipline and fundamentals from coach Ryan, but they've got some pretty great talent there right now too starting with Sam Dekker. They play deep and almost anyone in their rotation can hit a 3 or score in the paint...lots of versatility. Last night they were just hitting everything.

And Ben Brust is their only senior so next year could be quite a year as well.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 2:30:15 PM

This is Bo's best squad ever, imo. They put up 95 points, which you know is absolutely ridiculous in Wisky's system.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 4:32:37 PM

giacomo wrote:

It's pretty tough to out fox Bo Ryan. That guy can coach 'em up! He does more wore with his talent than anyone, in my opinion.

The Illini board is hostile talking about getting beat by a bunch of 3 stars. Seems like every fan base has some pretty consistent postings. Enjoyed watching folks slug it out in the chat and game thread last night.

Ozcat wrote:

This is Bo's best squad ever, imo. They put up 95 points, which you know is absolutely ridiculous in Wisky's system.

They asked Bo about that courtside immediately post game. ...He said Illinois tried to push the tempo early and they were operating at an offensive efficiency of 1.4 per in that stretch....he felt that they were just making shots and letting UI dictate the tempo. 56% shooting to 23% will get you some points on the board when a team just keeps wanting to push......but IMHO I would not want to try and slow down against Wisky.

Tell me if some of these posts and responses look familiar

Originally Posted by Octoman

We're getting out coached completely.

Ignorant statement by irrational fan.

I don't think Groce's coaching is why Egwu drops balls or doesn't take it to the basket. It's not why our shots aren't falling, or why Wisconsin can hand check and Illini can't breathe on a defender....

If they shoot 45% instead of 20% what's the score???? If they get the same calls (yes I will !!!!! about the refs anytime Sanzere the rat face is officiating), what's the score???

Don't be stupid and just say Illini are being outcoached every time they are losing, and that Groce is outcoaching someone every time they are winning

Originally Posted by RecLeagueHero

It would really help if Ekey could hit a damn shot.

By Ekey, I assume you mean EVERYONE???

Originally Posted by Illiniwez85

This team will be lucky to finish .500 in the league. Not enough shooters or playmakers and the freshman are not good.

I think most everyone knew all of that coming in. This game doesn't change that.

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Originally Posted by RecLeagueHero

People saying we are getting "out-coached" are smoking crack. There is a reason Wisky is rated #4 people. They are undefeated and playing at home.

We're down 25 at half. We're getting out coached completely. We're getting out everything completely.

schnaurt

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Nice to see that the clowns have come out. You all have been waiting for a bad game to dig into your pessimistic bag of tricks.

It is one game and a good learning experience. Go drink a bottle of wine and cry to yourselves.

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Originally Posted by Illiniwez85

I can say one thing with total conviction...I do not want to hear how Egwu has developed on the court. No hands, no defensive presence, bad shot selection, and just plain bad.

I second this. He has to be one of the biggest disappointments in recent memory, which is upsetting. He is absolutely worthless on offense. I'd rather have Pruitt back.

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Originally Posted by chief9

^^^THIS^^^

"Coaching" doesn't make players make shots better. We missed a TON of easy shots.
Let's see how these guys regroup in the second half.
It's hard to top a team shooting 50%, 4 fouls, 2 turnovers, and +13 freethrow margin!!
I can't see these guys shooting +50% the rest of the game.
We'll see.

(Too many "fair weather" fans posting right now if you're picking up what i'm putting down)

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Originally Posted by 07Illini

Again. What in the world does this have to do with coaching? This is entirely about execution. We can't make shots, they are. NE has probably cost us 10 points by himself.

I want to make clear that I really like Groce.

That said, the head coach is responsible for his team's performance, including execution and getting players who can shoot. Based on the first half, Ryan did a much better job at those tasks.

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Originally Posted by FarewellLasagna

While we're all beating on Egwu, watch his ball screens. You can tell the coaches finally got through to him about moving into the defender. He actually is at the other end of the spectrum bailing a little early. I know it's a stretch, but that is some improvement.

As a D1 basketball player, you should know how to set a screen and not have to be taught and improve on that aspect of your game.

Jphill1989

Down by 20 ten minutes into the game should NEVER happen. I don't care if you're a D3 team playing a D1 team, this is absolutely pathetic.

Dirty Uncle Charlie

Wish we had a bunch of white dude who could shoot.

Wokker

WHY DOES WISCONSIN HAVE ALL 6'10" WHITE PEOPLE!!!

I think it is awesome that former players watch the threads and tweet out their feelings.

Brandon Paul ‏@BP32m
Already got 'fans' being too negative, really? C'mon. The seasons defined by 1 game? Let alone 1 half? keep fighting until the clock hits 0!

Dj Richardson ‏@djrich321m
Even if Illinois happens to lose this game! They beat us last year the same!& was still 1 play away from being a sweet 16 team!!

Keep the faith fellas. Still 2-1 in B1G play after tonight!

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 6:25:49 PM

Tell me if some of these posts and responses look familiar

ZipsNation perhaps??

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/9/2014 9:06:46 PM

Bobcatattack, maybe?

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/12/2014 10:09:12 PM

LOTR

Fanbase is already lamenting the new hire. SOme say they think he may not be what they thought he was. Others talking about how Collins outcoached him and these last 2 games are the most embarrassing moments in the last 25 years.

I remember JG saying he never read the boards because teams are rarely as bad as fans think they are in losses and never quite get the credit they should in wins. Good thing

Pretty brutal Post game thread.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/22/2014 8:02:52 PM

Illinois' Groce: Angry Outburst over the line

sports.yahoo.com/news/illinois-39-groce-angry-outbursts-203836962--ncaab.html

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/22/2014 10:12:46 PM

Note that Bo BOroski is in the picture and the article continues to have a hard on for Groce and pushes him to the limit. I loved BO as a HS ref. NOt sure what happened to him once he left Indiana HS for the big time. He is iinvolved in more than his fair share of end of game controversy and really bad nights with his crew going south for a half.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/25/2014 5:46:54 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

It's surprising how certain referees seem to 'take it personally' with players/coaches/teams. Boroski/Groce would be one easy example, Von Sossan/Tommy would be another. Couple guys seem to have it out for Walt, but names are eluding me at the moment. I'm sure it happens in many places, but it's frustrating to seemingly be more or less targeted.

On the flip-side, it seems like MAC refs let certain Bobcat players seemingly get away with carries/travels/etc their entire career. Then when Ohio plays certain non-con games with ref crews not used to these things, they're called frequently.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/25/2014 6:31:40 PM

check out my avatar, it's "REALLY DO ORIGINAL" !!!!

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/28/2014 11:38:33 PM

Missed this Chicago Sun Times article. Groce is tied to us for awhile anyway. Free pub.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 1/29/2014 12:00:44 AM

Nice article, thanks for posting borna. I had forgotten we were 9-9 at one point AND started 0-4 in the MAC in 2009-10. I find it difficult to believe this year's Illini can pull off a turnaround anything like the 'Cats did then.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/16/2014 7:28:02 AM

Wonder how the Illini fans are taking it with their team putting up 39 points yesterday! Wow. Wonder what the record is for Illini futility in scoring in a Big Ten game during the three point and shot clock era?

Is JG's seat starting to feel warm?

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/16/2014 9:10:17 AM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

Is JG's seat starting to feel warm?

I went to the game. It was pretty amazing to see the defensive struggle as both teams are miror images of each other defensively and offensively. Webers recruits ....there is a large talent deficit here. Man for man Illinois gives away a lot at each position and waaaaaayyyyy down the bench. Groce is always positive and encouraging but he really does not have a PG nor does he have anyone that can put the ballin the hole whether it is EKEY getting consistently hung on the rim on a putback or shooting that flat 3 ball that rarely goes in or any of the guards including freshman Tate who was 1 for 28 from 3 . WIthout transfers Ekey and Rice this team would be way worse. He has his offense without anyone who fits and his fresman recruits while looking decent are definitely not ready for the BIG. They got their pants down last night.

As for the hot seat. Read the post game thread if you want to get a feel for the fan base. It is ugly. I think most understand what happened with Weber getting a good run with Self's recruits and doing the same at KSU. That talent pool of Frank Martins kids will dry up soon too. Groce has folks in both camps and he is hitting the recruiting trrail hard but like most BIG fanbases thesw folks feel entitled and want to win now. I heard a COls radio show saying tO$U hoops were headed inthe wrong direction because they were not getting Burger Boys and enough one and dones......IU is melting down and I had multiple posts on my boards I visit and my FB page calling for Crean's head. I think JG has a couple of years yet to put some things together but he needs a top notch PG to put the shooters he has coming in next year in position to shoot. Right now they are near the bottom in the entire ncaa in shooting %. (maybe they need a shooting coach to get out of Athens and help them out)

Post game thread is more of the same reading that has been present this year. www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/16/2014 9:19:42 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

MonroeClassmate wrote:

Is JG's seat starting to feel warm?

Thanks for the in person review.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/16/2014 10:03:42 AM

You want the "bigtime" you got it. Good luck with that. As I've said before, you can be a failure when taking these jobs and still get rich. Invest wisely.

I'm glad we have Jim C. His style of player, ability to adjust, schemes and other intangibles are creating a winning system. It's early in his tenure at OHIO but his history as a coach gives me solid hope for our program.

Brona, as always, hit the nail on the head with the Clown 10 Fans sense of entitlement and expectation to win now. These people never cease to provide me with tons of comedy over the years when they somehow shockingly fall short in their delusional expectations.

Last place will not work long.

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/16/2014 10:05:00 AM

Saw this on Twitter: First 5-game home losing streak in 40 years for the Illini. Haven't lost 7 in a row since 1908.

Here's an article on the dilemma Groce got into when a Top 50 PG recruit bailed on him: O'Brien: How Illinois got back in the race for Stevenson's Jalen Brunson

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/17/2014 2:02:08 PM

Tim O'Shea to Illinois.

(3-10 in conference play ain't gonna cut it for long.)

Last Edited: 2/17/2014 2:02:20 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/17/2014 2:07:35 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Saw this on Twitter: First 5-game home losing streak in 40 years for the Illini. Haven't lost 7 in a row since 1908.

Here's an article on the dilemma Groce got into when a Top 50 PG recruit bailed on him: O'Brien: How Illinois got back in the race for Stevenson's Jalen Brunson

interesting but often times true quote from the dad. Kids should be able to move without penalty if the coach leaves.

“My son is going to play for a coach, not a university. You go to play for a coach, you adjust to the university. So there needs to be trust.”

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RE: Groce

Posted: 2/17/2014 3:28:31 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Ted Thompson wrote:

Saw this on Twitter: First 5-game home losing streak in 40 years for the Illini. Haven't lost 7 in a row since 1908.

Here's an article on the dilemma Groce got into when a Top 50 PG recruit bailed on him: O'Brien: How Illinois got back in the race for Stevenson's Jalen Brunson

The majority of D1 athletes go to a school to get an education. when the talking heads and bleeding hearts start putting the cart ahead of the horse we got a mess. I think a kid should be able to transfer if there is a simialr spot somewhere but we REALLY REALLY have to do a better job of matching kids with schools and programs that they can become part of and complete the graduation requirements to get the degree that will stay with them for life. Basketball, in this case, is the vehicle that pays for your degree. Basketball is not the goal or destination.

The number of kids in his spot at 351 D1 schools and how ever many D2/3 and NAIA or even jucos and such is very small. The rest of the student athletes should be aiming for the fit that works to provide them an education. How many spots are there in the draft each year for roughly 1200 players leaving each year? I am an advocate of abolishing hte one and done and having them go back to playing right out of HS. Who cares? If your kid plays the violin well or sings and decides to forego college to turn pro .....who cares? Why prop up hoopers? IS this kid a 5 star athlete that has draft potential ( i am sure many around him think so)

I understand what dad is saying and I get it ....but the number of kids in his position are far and few between. The kid needs to get an education that will serve him well and play for a department and program that the cul;ture is to push him to get the degree in addition to developing his basketball skills. If that coach is not there in 4 years he should have the ability to transfer but IMHO it still takes a year to get acclimated to the new school and system the player is going into as well as get back on track with the deficiencies and credits that did not transfer to the new program. If that year is the penalty you alluding to I disagree with your assertion. ANyone who has ever transferred knows that song and dance of credits going with you . If you change majors because the new school you are choosing to play for does not have the smae major you are kind of screwed and need to play catch up anyway. If you consider getting an extra year of school for free a penalty then I guess that must be considered. I would be ecstatic if I got paid to go to school for 5 years instead of just 4 .....especially if I was a pretty good player that may not be a true lottery pick.

The really interesting point out of this is what you consider to be a penalty. May be you have a different point youare alluding to that qualifies as a penalty....... WHen you were circulating rumours that TOmmy might transfer the only penalty to him would have been leaving OHIO. I told you at the time you could not have dragged him out of there with wild horses..... A little more definition needed please.

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