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  Message Not Read  Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/1/2014 10:38:45 PM 
I like it. http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/10538276/mark-cu...


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/1/2014 10:50:41 PM 
I think I like it also. The age 21 before can leave NCAA for NBA play idea essentially forces the decision earlier which route the prospect goes (NCAA or D League). Requires an "integrity" step up for NCAA.

Other options still remain - NAIA for example. International options as well.
 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/1/2014 11:15:10 PM 

Isn't setting the age limit at 21 "age discrimination"?  I don't see how this would pass legal muster.  I'll let some of our BA lawyers answer this more definitively, but that's my layman's opinion.  

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/1/2014 11:41:00 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:

Isn't setting the age limit at 21 "age discrimination"?  I don't see how this would pass legal muster.  I'll let some of our BA lawyers answer this more definitively, but that's my layman's opinion.  

 


By that logic then so would the current requirement

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 1:17:10 AM 
RSBobcat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:

Isn't setting the age limit at 21 "age discrimination"?  I don't see how this would pass legal muster.  I'll let some of our BA lawyers answer this more definitively, but that's my layman's opinion.  

By that logic then so would the current requirement

Exactly. If there was any legal issues, an age limit of 19 (current) or 21 (hypothetical) would face the same scrutiny, and obviously the 19 passed muster. I think an age limit like NFL (3 years removed from HS) is fair, as it keeps people in college.

It just seems ironic that Cuban is complaining about a situation that is a product of the NBA (their age limit forced the "one and done" scenario). But so long as it exists, it's in their better business interests to try and push guys into the D league instead of college.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 8:17:00 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:

Isn't setting the age limit at 21 "age discrimination"?  I don't see how this would pass legal muster.  I'll let some of our BA lawyers answer this more definitively, but that's my layman's opinion.  

 



Age discrimination is only unlawful if the discrimination is directed at someone over the age of 40.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 1:34:59 PM 
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OhioCatFan wrote:

Isn't setting the age limit at 21 "age discrimination"?  I don't see how this would pass legal muster.  I'll let some of our BA lawyers answer this more definitively, but that's my layman's opinion.  

 



Age discrimination is only unlawful if the discrimination is directed at someone over the age of 40.


Really?  That's interesting.  Is that by statute?  Could age discrimination for younger people be challenged in court?  I assume that the current 19 limit hasn't been.  I suppose that the 19-year-old age limit could be justified on the basis that the lack of complete bone development, etc., might make the rigors of the NBA dangerous for one younger than that age.  I can't see that for a 21 age limit, given the fact that the previous limit was 19.  I guess the word that is at the forefront of my mind on this issue is "arbitrary."  These are all questions that come to my mind on this issue.  


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 2:01:52 PM 
If anything, it's going the other way. Sure, it's better for a kid to stay in school, for many reasons. It won't be long before schools are paying players. The only reason the age limit hasn't gone to 18 for NFL and NBA is that they have deep pockets to keep someone who wants to challenge in legal limbo. See what happened to Maurice from OSU. It will happen at some point. You can work at Wall Mart but not the NFL?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 4:47:40 PM 
I have long thought the one and done was really not a good rule. Watching the farce that is a 5 star commit being recruited to a U and ever having an intention of even going to class once he gets on campus if he can help it. I personally know and have seen papers friends wrote for players and several major programs.

The one and done takes a kid out of circulation for a year and does little to nothing for his development as a player. WHen a kid is a pro he can be coached up 24 hours a day. When he is in college there are rules for off season contact, in season contact, who can be in those sessions, how many players can be toghether....all those things go into a situation where a coach has very little time for individual skills development as most of those contact hours are spent with 4 players at a time teaching a frosh your system and philosophy. Once a kid in the D league or the NBA he gets the keys to the practice facility and  he can be there with a coach as much as he wants.

I agree with the maturity issue and have long said the NBA needs to have a rookie academy or course of education if they want to make their product better. Kids need a couple of courses to include Public Speaking.. I think Tommy had a professional presence course at OU....that would be a good start with many of these athletes. Most need a lot of polish and instruction as to what they say and how they say it. Understanding of how they represent the league and how their actions reflect on the bigger picture seems to be a good tool for the league in growing their acceptance. 

THey need a comprehensive course in Business that introduces them to basic accounting, contracts, law and would enable them to have a basic understanding of where their money is. I am not so silly as to think they have the accumen or desire to get an in depth educations but learning  the finer points of what the contract means and budgeting/interest/net worth and the legal implications of how their actions have consequences would grow the product. Given the fact  that they just basically got handed a winning lottery ticket and we know how many lottery winners don't keep their act together why not give the kid a fighting chance to take charge of his future? Keeping some money for himself and understanding how many pieces there are to the pie while the fam leeching off him are leaving him broke is kind of paramount.

A general course of living....substances, sexual health, guns, automobiles and safety issues. Health, nutrition and individual workout habits that many have never had as they have been told where to be and when to be there their entire athletic career ....most of these things none of them learn in going from HS to living on your own is kind of important. One of the best courses I ever took in HS was an experimental course offered initially to the members of the Varisty lettermans club called Bachelor Basics. The home ec teacher came to us and wanted to teach a course for male and thought if the lettermen set the example learning to cook, sew, keep a budget, shop and keep house that other males would find it acceptable. We laughed and guffawed but took her course thinking it would be an easy credit. Little did I know that in less than 4 months I ould be living on my own with a bunch of guys on the North Side of Chicago. I was the only one who had any skills in taking care of organizing the homestead. I can't imagine how valuable that would be to  most of these pampered athletes living on his own for the first time.

I like the fact that Cuban sees the wasted year but am more impresssed that he see that you will need to have some system of suspensions in order to have those future NBA prospects take the education and preparation to get to the league seriously. If each athlete in the NBA understands they are a part of a bigger product and not some superstar that is going to have to take his lumps and learn all those lessons one by one individually I suspect you may get more buy in.

It is stupid to send kids to school that do not want to be there. We are never going to get rid of the "what if they don't make it" situation even though, in any other profession ....if you skip school and don't make it ....you are on your own but that seems to be of concern and gets brought up a lot. Seems like all the little ballers tug on heartstrings and there is some sort of safety net needed for some idiot who skips college for Hoop Dreams.

Grow the D league....get those kids that do not benefit from class out of school and into professional life. I like the thought there. Get the schools that are throwing lots of money and resources at getting the next one and done and have no intention of getting him any of their stellar academic wisdom imparted out of the picture.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 4:49:34 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:


Really?  That's interesting.  Is that by statute?  Could age discrimination for younger people be challenged in court?  I assume that the current 19 limit hasn't been.  I suppose that the 19-year-old age limit could be justified on the basis that the lack of complete bone development, etc., might make the rigors of the NBA dangerous for one younger than that age.  I can't see that for a 21 age limit, given the fact that the previous limit was 19.  I guess the word that is at the forefront of my mind on this issue is "arbitrary."  These are all questions that come to my mind on this issue.  


Well, that's under the federal Age Discrimination in Employment Act. I suppose there could be state laws that make the threshold lower, but I'm not aware of them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 5:06:53 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
It is stupid to send kids to school that do not want to be there. We are never going to get rid of the "what if they don't make it" situation even though, in any other profession ....if you skip school and don't make it ....you are on your own but that seems to be of concern and gets brought up a lot. Seems like all the little ballers tug on heartstrings and there is some sort of safety net needed for some idiot who skips college for Hoop Dreams.


Well, I think there's a concern some kids get pushed through high school whether or not they're learning anything. So if they don't work out as athletes, they're really up against it. I like the idea of covering school tuition if the kid doesn't work out as a player.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 5:26:48 PM 
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bornacatfan wrote:
It is stupid to send kids to school that do not want to be there. We are never going to get rid of the "what if they don't make it" situation even though, in any other profession ....if you skip school and don't make it ....you are on your own but that seems to be of concern and gets brought up a lot. Seems like all the little ballers tug on heartstrings and there is some sort of safety net needed for some idiot who skips college for Hoop Dreams.


Well, I think there's a concern some kids get pushed through high school whether or not they're learning anything. So if they don't work out as athletes, they're really up against it. I like the idea of covering school tuition if the kid doesn't work out as a player.

I was in Chicago this weekend talking to some friends taht are teaching in the CPS. Even though they are in Music Education they all had some input and insight into what goes on in the buildings and had some conversational input regarding this situation. 

Of COurse.... now....Jesse Jackson is involved and I do not get a good feel  what is more important....the kids getting to play Tuesday, the education they did not actually get, the absolution of the kids who did not do enough to pass their classes or the "disappointment and embarrassment" of having the championship taken from them. 

Interesting that the IHSA standards for participation are lower than the CPS standards. 

IN the end if you gave each of these kids money to guarantee an education  if hoops did not work out ....what do you really think would happen to them long term.? The same kids who could not achieve a 2.0 to get eligible? Come back in 10 years and let me know.....because I have about 4 decades of  a couple of hundred guys that were equal to or better than Alan Leavell or Bonzi Wells I can introduce you to  in the parks and playgrounds that says guaranteed money will not make a difference in more than a number of guys that I can count on one hand. 

Best comment  I heard this weekend was ..."everything it took the CPS years to accomplish in getting a kid  to a point of ineligibility Bill Self got wiped out in a day"

 


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Well, I think there's a concern some kids get pushed through high school whether or not they're learning anything. So if they don't work out as athletes, they're really up against it. I like the idea of covering school tuition if the kid doesn't work out as a player.
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I think this is workable depending on cost modeling. I don't know if this is common, but we know a player entering his second full season in the minors and his initial MLB draft contract includes a payment clause for his final year of college if he is released or suffers a career ending injury. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 5:34:19 PM 
It's sorta tough for these mega-talented youth either way you go.  But few of us have that opp, so if they mess it up, it's difficult to have much sympathy.  If the NBA doesn't turn out well, don't they have the 'usual' paths available to all of us?

But that's not the decision point for me.  I want to see the best players in college ball--even if just for a year.  This would ruin that.  Health and wealth is of the NBA is not a concern to me.  The pro game can take care of itself.  Leave a little something for college fan.



 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 5:49:03 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
JSF wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
It is stupid to send kids to school that do not want to be there. We are never going to get rid of the "what if they don't make it" situation even though, in any other profession ....if you skip school and don't make it ....you are on your own but that seems to be of concern and gets brought up a lot. Seems like all the little ballers tug on heartstrings and there is some sort of safety net needed for some idiot who skips college for Hoop Dreams.


Well, I think there's a concern some kids get pushed through high school whether or not they're learning anything. So if they don't work out as athletes, they're really up against it. I like the idea of covering school tuition if the kid doesn't work out as a player.

I was in Chicago this weekend talking to some friends taht are teaching in the CPS. Even though they are in Music Education they all had some input and insight into what goes on in the buildings and had some conversational input regarding this situation. 

Of COurse.... now....Jesse Jackson is involved and I do not get a good feel  what is more important....the kids getting to play Tuesday, the education they did not actually get, the absolution of the kids who did not do enough to pass their classes or the "disappointment and embarrassment" of having the championship taken from them. 

Interesting that the IHSA standards for participation are lower than the CPS standards. 

IN the end if you gave each of these kids money to guarantee an education  if hoops did not work out ....what do you really think would happen to them long term.? The same kids who could not achieve a 2.0 to get eligible? Come back in 10 years and let me know.....because I have about 4 decades of  a couple of hundred guys that were equal to or better than Alan Leavell or Bonzi Wells I can introduce you to  in the parks and playgrounds that says guaranteed money will not make a difference in more than a number of guys that I can count on one hand. 

Best comment  I heard this weekend was ..."everything it took the CPS years to accomplish in getting a kid  to a point of ineligibility Bill Self got wiped out in a day"

 


Unless I read this incorrectly, a kid could have five D grades in Ohio and be eligible to play unless local standards are higher.

http://www.ohsaa.org/eligibility/EligibilityGuidelinesGuidanceCounselors.pdf

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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/2/2014 5:49:55 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
It's sorta tough for these mega-talented youth either way you go.  But few of us have that opp, so if they mess it up, it's difficult to have much sympathy.  If the NBA doesn't turn out well, don't they have the 'usual' paths available to all of us?

But that's not the decision point for me.  I want to see the best players in college ball--even if just for a year.  This would ruin that.  Health and wealth is of the NBA is not a concern to me.  The pro game can take care of itself.  Leave a little something for college fan. 

That is what fuels the fire. Kansas and Kentucky fans lead the way providing funds for housing that skirts the NCAA rules in order to attract those Burger boys and lottery hopefuls for a year. 

I appreciate the desire for a fan to want the best of the best in college ball but the game is not really better when they are here and not any less in the years that kids could leave early ..... I think seeing a tourney of teams that play together and win is just as entertaining. Built as teams with continuity like VCU, Gonzaga, Butler, WIchita State. I would find Kansas, NC, Kentucky with 4 year players just as entertaining and still  full of guys that are going to the league. The fact that I did not get to see Garnett, LeBron, Jermaine O Neill or Kobe in a University Uni does not make the NCAA game any less of a product for me. 

Cuban has an idea for guys who are not college bound. Good for him. IT is a good one and has merit.....and addresses the hypocrisy in basketball right now. 

 


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   Posted: 3/2/2014 5:58:50 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
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Unless I read this incorrectly, a kid could have five D grades in Ohio and be eligible to play unless local standards are higher.

http://www.ohsaa.org/eligibility/EligibilityGuidelinesGui...


Cutting through all the figures on that pdf

It comes down to this quote

• Grades 9-12: To be eligible, a student-athlete must have received passing grades in a minimum of five one-credit courses, or the equivalent, 
in the immediately preceding grading period


Looks to me like D would be a passing grade for the OHSAA. 

INteresting disclaimer at the bottow that may be indeed the CPS situation also....but...in many HS their standards would preclude participation by those athletes not meeting their standards. Same with discipline it is arbitrary and school specific.

NOTE: The OHSAA has no minimum grade point (GPA) requirement, thus issues regarding eligibility when only the GPA is of concern is 
strictly a local school district matter and not an OHSAA matter.


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   Posted: 3/2/2014 6:00:34 PM 

Expand the NBA draft by 1 round.

Each team has 2-3 extra roster slots for 18-22 year olds on special D league contracts.

"Special D" contracts are guaranteed 3-4 years at low cost to team ($100K per year or whatever) and if cut the kid gets a 5 year full scholarship including room and board at the cost of the highest cost public school in whatever state the team is in.

Why not?



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Ohio69 wrote:

Expand the NBA draft by 1 round.

Each team has 2-3 extra roster slots for 18-22 year olds on special D league contracts.

"Special D" contracts are guaranteed 3-4 years at low cost to team ($100K per year or whatever) and if cut the kid gets a 5 year full scholarship including room and board at the cost of the highest cost public school in whatever state the team is in.

Why not?



WHy not:? 

Track it for 5 years and find out how many of those cut actually go to class and how many finish. WHy not? 

Just get those kids who are not going to be graduating from the school they played for and have no intention of graduating out of the system. Why not? 

Just curious as to why you feel compelled to send them to the HIGHEST COST public school? Is there a rationale there as opposed to getting them into a public college that may have a degree they want or a social setting that appeals to them? or a place that is close to where they actually live or have a support system?  

What you do to take care of kids who decide hoops are more important than school is cool with me. WHy not>? Put it on the pros and get them out of the system and get the sham out of college sports. Why not>? 



 


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   Posted: 3/2/2014 6:49:15 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
But few of us have that opp, so if they mess it up, it's difficult to have much sympathy.  If the NBA doesn't turn out well, don't they have the 'usual' paths available to all of us? 


Of course. It's not germane to this board, but I'm concerned with everyone who comes out of high school and doesn't have the education they need. That's something that affects society as a whole, so I spend some time thinking about it.


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   Posted: 3/2/2014 6:59:24 PM 
The list below  is the class of 07 kids ....the one I am most familiar with as we passed through 6 years of summer ball with them and their coaches, mentors and parents. Draft class/Lottery of 08 declared/eligible freshmen. 

HOw many of these guys coming out of HS could you have not lived without seeing in the NCAA? Mayo, Walker, Beasley  and Bayless were very outspoken about their disdain for having to play a year in college . As seen below HS was not Beasley's cup of tea and he continues to reflect his dedication to life long learning by his actions on and off the court. 

.Beasley attended a total of six high schools: Bowie High School in Bowie, Maryland, National Christian Academy in Fort Washington, MarylandThe Pendleton School in Bradenton, FloridaRiverdale Baptist School in Upper Marlboro, Maryland,Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Virginia, and Notre Dame Preparatory School in Fitchburg, Massachusetts.[5] As a high school senior he averaged 28 points and 16 rebounds per game.[5] 



WOuld be interesting to see Mayo, Walker, Beasley and Rose's academic record in both HS and college. They will not need to ever go back to school for sure...Love and Gordon were reportedly great students. Rose continues to take hits on his academic history



Not to digress too far from the subject at hand but this article is a good read for anyone who does not understand how money drives the bus in basketball from an early age and addresses Monroe's hard choice assertion. Milchael Beasly attended a few HS. I am not sure he learned ONE thing from any of them. 



Jerryd Bayless
Arizona
6-3
Freshman
 
Michael Beasley
Kansas State
6-10
Freshman
 
Eric Gordon
Indiana
6-4
Freshman
 
J.J. Hickson
North Carolina State
6-9
Freshman
 
Davon Jefferson
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6-8
Freshman
 
DeAndre Jordan
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7-0
Freshman
 
Kosta Koufos
Ohio State
7-0
Freshman
 
Kevin Love
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6-10
Freshman
 
O.J. Mayo
Southern California
6-5
Freshman
 
Anthony Randolph
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6-10
Freshman
 
JaJuan Robinson
Lincoln (PA)
5-11
Freshman
 
Derrick Rose
Memphis
6-3
Freshman
 
Bill Walker
Kansas State
6-6
Freshman

 


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   Posted: 3/2/2014 7:09:22 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
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Unless I read this incorrectly, a kid could have five D grades in Ohio and be eligible to play unless local standards are higher.

http://www.ohsaa.org/eligibility/EligibilityGuidelinesGui...


Cutting through all the figures on that pdf

It comes down to this quote

• Grades 9-12: To be eligible, a student-athlete must have received passing grades in a minimum of five one-credit courses, or the equivalent, 
in the immediately preceding grading period


Looks to me like D would be a passing grade for the OHSAA. 

INteresting disclaimer at the bottow that may be indeed the CPS situation also....but...in many HS their standards would preclude participation by those athletes not meeting their standards. Same with discipline it is arbitrary and school specific.

NOTE: The OHSAA has no minimum grade point (GPA) requirement, thus issues regarding eligibility when only the GPA is of concern is 
strictly a local school district matter and not an OHSAA matter.


That's exactly as i read it.  Having coached girls volleyball for years, I never had to pay attention to that particularly here in Athens where the Lady Bulldogs had the highest team GPA in the state on multiple occasions.  Here and it seems it should be in Illinois, local standards trump state standards when the local standards are higher.  If you can't play in your own house you sure can't play down the street.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/3/2014 7:09:08 AM 
If b-ball and football didn't have all the TV and other money tied to them, nobody would care if a kid went from high school right to the pros.  MLB drafts high schoolers all the time and nobody cares.  If a kid is good enough for pro soccer or golf or lacrosse or tennis or anything else, they can go pro right out of high school and nobody cares.  Yes, there is a higher degree of physicality involved with football and b-ball.  But there are probably some kids -- like LeBron -- who can handle it.  I would add one aspect to Cuban's plan -- they should also help educate the kids while they're in D ball, not just pay for college afterwards.  Too many kids who are athletically gifted come out of high school barely able to read or write, and some colleges won't improve them while they're on scholarship -- they just perpetuate the problem by faking grades (looking at you, UNC).  And if they're basically illiterate, few colleges will take them if they have no NCAA eligibility left.  The kids should take a real literacy test before being drafted and if they can't pass it, they get real tutoring.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/3/2014 8:56:06 AM 
Hah!  I sure got Bornacatfan all riled up.

Just to clarify, I'm not sending them to the highest cost school.  I'm making sure the scholarship covers the highest cost school.  That's why I said "at the cost of".  Anyway....

Why should basketball players be treated any differently than baseball players?  Or hockey players?  Or tennis players?  Or NASCAR drivers?  Or young men and women who enter the military and then use the GI Bill?  Or European basketball players?

You don't want to go to college?  You think you can make it as a pro?  Go for it.  If it doesn't work, here's a 5 year scholarship.  If you don't get drafted on my "Special D" contract, go play for Eastern Michigan or whatever. Or go to Europe or Turkey or Japan or whatever and play.  Or get yourself a damn job. 

Again, I say, why not?

If the young man can't get his act together, well that ain't our cross to bear.  Its a shame.  But, its on him.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Mark Cuban's Plan to End One-and-Dones
   Posted: 3/3/2014 9:04:51 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
I have long thought the one and done was really not a good rule. Watching the farce that is a 5 star commit being recruited to a U and ever having an intention of even going to class once he gets on campus if he can help it. I personally know and have seen papers friends wrote for players and several major programs.

The one and done takes a kid out of circulation for a year and does little to nothing for his development as a player. WHen a kid is a pro he can be coached up 24 hours a day. When he is in college there are rules for off season contact, in season contact, who can be in those sessions, how many players can be toghether....all those things go into a situation where a coach has very little time for individual skills development as most of those contact hours are spent with 4 players at a time teaching a frosh your system and philosophy. Once a kid in the D league or the NBA he gets the keys to the practice facility and  he can be there with a coach as much as he wants.

I agree with the maturity issue and have long said the NBA needs to have a rookie academy or course of education if they want to make their product better. Kids need a couple of courses to include Public Speaking.. I think Tommy had a professional presence course at OU....that would be a good start with many of these athletes. Most need a lot of polish and instruction as to what they say and how they say it. Understanding of how they represent the league and how their actions reflect on the bigger picture seems to be a good tool for the league in growing their acceptance. 

THey need a comprehensive course in Business that introduces them to basic accounting, contracts, law and would enable them to have a basic understanding of where their money is. I am not so silly as to think they have the accumen or desire to get an in depth educations but learning  the finer points of what the contract means and budgeting/interest/net worth and the legal implications of how their actions have consequences would grow the product. Given the fact  that they just basically got handed a winning lottery ticket and we know how many lottery winners don't keep their act together why not give the kid a fighting chance to take charge of his future? Keeping some money for himself and understanding how many pieces there are to the pie while the fam leeching off him are leaving him broke is kind of paramount.

A general course of living....substances, sexual health, guns, automobiles and safety issues. Health, nutrition and individual workout habits that many have never had as they have been told where to be and when to be there their entire athletic career ....most of these things none of them learn in going from HS to living on your own is kind of important. One of the best courses I ever took in HS was an experimental course offered initially to the members of the Varisty lettermans club called Bachelor Basics. The home ec teacher came to us and wanted to teach a course for male and thought if the lettermen set the example learning to cook, sew, keep a budget, shop and keep house that other males would find it acceptable. We laughed and guffawed but took her course thinking it would be an easy credit. Little did I know that in less than 4 months I ould be living on my own with a bunch of guys on the North Side of Chicago. I was the only one who had any skills in taking care of organizing the homestead. I can't imagine how valuable that would be to  most of these pampered athletes living on his own for the first time.

I like the fact that Cuban sees the wasted year but am more impresssed that he see that you will need to have some system of suspensions in order to have those future NBA prospects take the education and preparation to get to the league seriously. If each athlete in the NBA understands they are a part of a bigger product and not some superstar that is going to have to take his lumps and learn all those lessons one by one individually I suspect you may get more buy in.

It is stupid to send kids to school that do not want to be there. We are never going to get rid of the "what if they don't make it" situation even though, in any other profession ....if you skip school and don't make it ....you are on your own but that seems to be of concern and gets brought up a lot. Seems like all the little ballers tug on heartstrings and there is some sort of safety net needed for some idiot who skips college for Hoop Dreams.

Grow the D league....get those kids that do not benefit from class out of school and into professional life. I like the thought there. Get the schools that are throwing lots of money and resources at getting the next one and done and have no intention of getting him any of their stellar academic wisdom imparted out of the picture.



I don't know if it is still the standard protocol here, but when I was a freshman here in 1998 we had to take (going by memory here) INCO 103, which was public speaking.

As for the rules and "age discrimination," a large part of me can't understand why a business can't have a standard for work qualification.  I'm obviously not a legal expert, but if a company has an educational requirement, is that discrimination against those who do not have that education?  The NBA is a business, if they would require a player be 20-21 years old (or whatever standard that may be) I struggle to see how that is unfairly treating someone.  It is their business, is it not?  If I apply for a job and don't get an interview, it's not automatically discrimination against me.  If I don't meet the standards, I don't get in.  Why does the NBA have to be different?


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