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Topic: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

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Eagle66
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Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/10/2014 2:27:03 PM

Around tournament time, I always hear people say "It's hard to beat a team a third time". I decided to see what kind of data I could find. Since the 2000-2001 season I found 39 cases of one team beating another twice in the MAC regular season, then playing a third in the MAC Tournament. The team that won both regular season games is 32-7 (.821) in those third games.

I posted this on the MAC board as well, and someone asked when one team was an obvious favorte saying it was tough to beat a GOOD team three times. I'm not sure how to quantify GOOD, but...

When both teams were .500 or better in MAC play, the team that won the first two games was 11-3 (.786) in the third.

When the two teams were withing 4 MAC wins of each other, the team that won the first two games was 15-4 (.789) in the third.

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/10/2014 2:41:06 PM

In other words, the thought is we'll have a tough time beating Western in Cleveland?

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/10/2014 2:55:14 PM

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/10/2014 3:05:52 PM

Yes it is tough, although if I remember correctly, three of the last four times it was done was by us.

Beating Miami in 2007, then Kent and Akron in 2010.

The most recent was when NIU beat EMU in 2012 as I'm sure you all remember.

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/10/2014 3:18:27 PM

This is the reason that myth survives:

Danny Manning @ KU

And if you remember it, it was perhaps the original CBS Shining moment and one of my own greatest tournament picks of all time.

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 12:10:51 AM

Despite the stats, this kind of thing has me worried. I remember the time back in the Danny Nee Era when we beat Kent at their place in the last game of the regular season and then the come back on knock us out of the MAC tourney a few days later in the first round. I've seen this type of thing happen a number of times. I think I'd rather have played Kent. On the other hand, we have beaten teams three times in a season before, so it's a hurdle we can overcome. In a tournament environment, of course, you need a different "mind set" and a never-say-die approach to keep winning game after game. Let's hope that this year's OHIO squad has that kind of attitude. Go OHIO!

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 4:13:33 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Yes it is tough, although if I remember correctly, three of the last four times it was done was by us.

Beating Miami in 2007, then Kent and Akron in 2010.

The most recent was when NIU beat EMU in 2012 as I'm sure you all remember.

And who can forget Beefalo for the MAC Championship in 2005. I was there for the Fiami semifinal game and the champ game. One of my favorite moments was meeting the Buffalo student section in the front entrance.

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 8:34:44 AM

This "it's hard to beat a team 3 times" was quite the topic of discussion leaving the Convo yesterday. Despite bringing up the stats, no one seemed convinced. The cliche' is pretty widely held among basketball fans, it seems.

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 9:18:37 AM

catfan28 wrote:

I think the reason people feel like it's hard to beat a team 3 times in a row is because it's going to be hard to beat this Miami team 3 times in a row. See JC's press conference after the game last night. He's right-Miami plays as hard as anyone in the league. And it's not like Ohio demolished Miami in either game this year; both games were nailbiters won by Ohio in overtimes. The two teams are fairly even. So this game's going to be a war, just like the last 2 have been.

That being said, MUCK FIAMI!!!

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 12:06:11 PM

TheGreatLarryMoe wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Yes it is tough, although if I remember correctly, three of the last four times it was done was by us.

Beating Miami in 2007, then Kent and Akron in 2010.

The most recent was when NIU beat EMU in 2012 as I'm sure you all remember.

Don't forget, it was done to us last year.

We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 12:23:23 PM

Pataskala wrote:

TheGreatLarryMoe wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Yes it is tough, although if I remember correctly, three of the last four times it was done was by us.

Beating Miami in 2007, then Kent and Akron in 2010.

The most recent was when NIU beat EMU in 2012 as I'm sure you all remember.

Don't forget, it was done to us last year.

The Athens Chamber of Commerce recently published a study estimating that people trying to forget injected somewhere between 4.6 and 5.2 million in the Athens economy last year.

I've seen crazier things happen.

mcbin
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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 1:09:08 PM

There was a sort of interesting/awkward back & forth with Russ/JC on the post game interview about this topic last night.

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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RE: Beating a team 3 Times in a Year

Posted: 3/11/2014 1:57:11 PM

Pataskala wrote:

TheGreatLarryMoe wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Yes it is tough, although if I remember correctly, three of the last four times it was done was by us.

Beating Miami in 2007, then Kent and Akron in 2010.

The most recent was when NIU beat EMU in 2012 as I'm sure you all remember.

Don't forget, it was done to us last year.

Akron beat us all three times last year.

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