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SBH
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Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 8:29:32 AM

Coach needs to take a new approach with Bean. If you just watch Bean's body language, it's clear he's second-guessing every decision. And the instant he makes a mistake, JC is all over him. Back off a bit and let him get back into the flow and gain some confidence. The young man has skills, but they're so deeply buried in self-doubt that a major change in strategy is in order.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 8:55:34 AM

We've talked about this before but JC definitely has more of the "conditional support" mentality where he yanks players who screw up as fast as he can, almost as a form of punishment and use it to motivate. Other coaches go with the "Hey I believe in you approach" and use trust to motivate. I'm not really sure which approach I like better. I realize over time any coach will play the player who is performing but on more of a micro scale styles differ.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 9:11:08 AM

We are 14 games into the season, plus he has been on the team for an entire year due to his transfer. He should already be comfortable in the system. I am much more concerned about his poor individual defensive fundamentals and difficulty dribbling the basketball than I am about him being comfortable during his minutes on the floor. A college basketball player in his Junior year of D1 hoops simply should be better than fouling a guy on a 3 pt shot with 0:10 left in the game. I hope I'm wrong, but this big conference transfer does not feel at all like an Armon Bassett or Walt Offutt.

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SBH
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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 9:11:16 AM

JC had an interesting quote in today's ABJ game story. In discussing Nick K., he said, "When he makes a mistake, we make eye contact, he owns it and we move forward."

The same is not true of Bean - the kid is always looking at the floor because he's afraid of JC.

I'm sure JC is frustrated because he knows how valuable Bean can be based on past experience at TCU. But he's gotta take a new approach to this or there will be more of the same all year.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 9:29:34 AM

bobcat695 wrote:

Point guards need high basketball IQs, and that play was incredibly stupid. I think JC spoke for all fans when he said, "Are you #*$%ing kidding me!?"

I think Bean feels pressure and desperately wants to perform, and therefore tries to do too much (forcing passes and shots, playing overeager defense, etc.). But trying to do too much exacerbates the problem and the downward spiral continues. You can't fault JC for that. Bean needs to get his head together, play within the system and find his confidence or he'll never be an asset to the team.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 9:30:35 AM

I'm probably overreacting, but I don't feel much confidence in either PG right now. The team seems to run better with Stevie at the point but he plays borderline out of control most of the time and seems to be regressing as a shooter. Just like last night, he'll drill a deep three but then barely draw iron on other jumpers and badly miss lightly contested layups. I was screaming at Kellogg for giving up the ball to Stevie late last night in a foul situation because I have zero confidence in Taylor knocking down FT's. Of course, he missed the front end. Willis seems like a little more gifted of an athlete, but he's got a short leash with JC and seems to make a lot of poor decisions with the basketball. Stevie has his fair share of TO's, too. A lot of people loved his blocked shot on the break in the last home game...but seem to overlook that it was Taylor's horrible pass and TO that led to that blocked shot. Looking at the box score this morning after watching the game last night, it felt like they both had more TO's than they were credited for, 3 seems like a smaller number than I expected.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 10:30:35 AM

100%Cat wrote:

Bean has a 1.24 assist to turnover ratio (35 assists 25 turns). He's averaging a turnover every 8.5 minutes played. Stevie is #4 in the MAC with a 2.3:1 ratio. Hes averaging 1 turnover every 16.5 minutes played. Stevie may have some struggles but I don't think taking care of the ball is really one of them. For comparison, Julius Brown (leagues leading assist man) has 1 TO every 13 mins, Aaron Craft 1 TO every 17.5 mins, and Chaz Williams 1 TO every 11 mins.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 11:24:25 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Bean will get his groove back in the second half of the season and be one of our top producers after Nick and Mo. Gotta feeling.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 11:48:47 AM

bobcat695 wrote:

I don't think anyone really expected him to be a big-time transfer like Armon or Walt. Texas Tech is miles away from Indiana and Ohio State program-wise. But I do agree with the first statement. He's been here for a while now. He should be comfortable with the way JC coaches him. You would think he would transfer out if not.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 1:27:26 PM

He deserved to get pulled and yelled at for fouling a guy shooting a 3 with 10 seconds left.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 1:56:48 PM

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 4:01:53 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

Thank you! Sitting a year from competition has an effect in the short term.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 4:08:11 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

Thank you! Sitting a year from competition has an effect in the short term.

Don't disagree . . . to some point. However, I could sit out 30 years and still know not to foul a 3-pt shooter in the same situation as last night's game.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 4:19:20 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

bobcat695 wrote:

I beg to differ on that. I mentioned his poor assist numbers at TT and people came down hard on me- saying he's a starter in the Big 12- he must be good-with stuff like that isn't the MAC. I am ok with him and JC saw something in him -he'll help but he's not another DJ for sure. He doesn't have to be to help the team.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 5:27:04 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

Thank you! Sitting a year from competition has an effect in the short term.

Don't disagree . . . to some point. However, I could sit out 30 years and still know not to foul a 3-pt shooter in the same situation as last night's game.

But you NEVER committed a foul. It was always a bad call.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 6:05:30 PM

At this stage in his career, it is up to Bean to improve, game by game, practice by practice! To suggest that JC needs to handle him differently is laughable. Bean has been working hard all fall on his game. His practice habits are much much better than when he got here, and he has made improvements in his game. He has taken to the coaching he is getting from JC in practice, and from the rest of the staff. He is trying to do the things that will transfer over to better play on game night. The problem is that this improvement has not shown up, or paid off with obvious improvement on game night. This is not as easy as it looks guys !
I am still confident that Bean will do some good things for us as the season goes on. He has to tough it out, learn from his mistakes, and defend his tail off. My old coach was fond of saying " concentrate on playing great defense, and the offense will take care of itself !" Hate to admitt it, but he was right !
Hang in there, Bean is going to do some good things before he is done !

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 8:11:03 PM

cc cat wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

Thank you! Sitting a year from competition has an effect in the short term.

Don't disagree . . . to some point. However, I could sit out 30 years and still know not to foul a 3-pt shooter in the same situation as last night's game.

But you NEVER committed a foul. It was always a bad call.

I think you are confusing me with Kevin McHale. Not a bad comparison, I might add. :)

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 10:36:51 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

Thank you! Sitting a year from competition has an effect in the short term.

Don't disagree . . . to some point. However, I could sit out 30 years and still know not to foul a 3-pt shooter in the same situation as last night's game.

Knowing not to foul and not fouling are two totally different things.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/9/2014 10:45:02 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

Closest hammer to the nail.

AB started off a little slow, showed flashes of awesomeness, then put it into overdrive mid to late (and increasingly so) that season.

Don't think Bean has that kinda upside - but sure can't get lower...................

RS Bobcat

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/10/2014 12:45:43 AM

RSBobcat wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Bassett, Smith, Offutt... how up to speed were these guys 14 games into the season after sitting out the year prior? I think its a little premature to write off Bean.

Clarifying history.

Loss of the forum gives the need to keep accounting in order. AB was not eligible till after Thanksgiving and promptly went 1 for 17 or so vs Marshall in CHarleston.. ..... There had been an earlier post describing his game and virtues. Through the month of December many were not sold on AB though he was the hero of the Delaware game with 27. It took a last second shot at Conseco vs IUPUI in game 10 for the man crushes to start. Lots of irritation came in MAC play as he blew the BUGS game and then got tossed from the bench the weekend of the Toledo/EMU game but through 14 games he had been in double figures 10 times and over 20 three of those. .

Walt was similarly described early season and had 9 games in double figures by game 14 and was averaging almost 30 mins. Only took till the early season Louisville near win for the fanbase to fall in love with his toughness, desire, Defensive intensity and team oriented approach. Impressive start and high praise from the fans by the 5th game,.

RSBobcat wrote:

I think this said it all:

Walter Offut on Twitter: "It's amazing what can be accomplish(ed) when no one cares who gets the credit"

He had indeed made a mark by then.

Smitty was doing over 20 mins a game and contributing pretty well in front court that had good Ivo and Reg. in addition to Hall and Ric. on the wings.

Comparing Bean to those guys.... not close to where they were. Gotta get him up to speed though.. .we do need those minutes to produce.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/10/2014 12:53:35 AM

People just remember the postseason/MAC/NCAA Bassett. He was a pretty frustrating player to watch the rest of the year. You got the good with the bad.

But, no question, he sure turned it on when it mattered.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/10/2014 11:31:10 AM

With Bean he is a good backup point guard. Taylor manages a good game and with this team that is working. Bean may have more offensive skills, but in close games Taylor is as steady as they come. Were not asking Taylor to win games, just not lose it with bad shots. We are asking Kellogg, Ndour and Hall really to be the guys who hit the big shots with the game on the line. Wilkins starting to show he can knock down the money ball late in games now that he is getting increased time.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/10/2014 2:53:11 PM

With the loss of Ric, my opinion is that Bean is needed to emerge as the primary backup to both Taylor and Kellogg, at times being on the floor with one or both. He should start getting more minutes by default now, and I think he'll come around just fine. He just needs to knock down open shots when he gets them, defend well, and be able to drive & dish a little bit. That alone will be enough.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/10/2014 7:16:35 PM

Bean really hasn't shown us much to date, passing, shooting, and D.
I am not sure he is more than a 10 minute per game sub.

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RE: Bean

Posted: 1/10/2014 7:35:01 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

Bean really hasn't shown us much to date, passing, shooting, and D.
I am not sure he is more than a 10 minute per game sub.

GO BOBCATS

I hope he turns it around, but I agree with 71Bobcat. His body language on the court also isn't great. We're about half-way through the season. Time for Bean to find his mojo.

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