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The Optimist
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Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/12/2013 8:24:27 AM

http://m.kitsapsun.com/news/2013/apr/29/moulton-one-casualty-of-fgcu-basketball-success/

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/12/2013 8:45:22 PM

They should wait until they find out if they're the next Gonzaga/Butler or just a flash in the pan. They need sustained success in b-ball before they decide to shirk football.

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/13/2013 1:07:45 PM

Pataskala wrote:

They should wait until they find out if they're the next Gonzaga/Butler or just a flash in the pan. They need sustained success in b-ball before they decide to shirk football.

I disagree completely, and I think that is the point this article is making.

Right now, they have had 1 year of success in hoops that cannot be considered anything more than a flash in the pan. They should 100% be pushing all available athletic money into basketball to guarantee their success this year isn't a flash in the pan. They have the spotlight on hoops now, and its a great risk/return proposition to pump cash into basketball. Putting ANY money into a football program would be a complete waste of $. The odds that program could grow into anything is small.. The odds the basketball program could instantly stay on the scene is much higher...

Last Edited: 5/13/2013 1:08:35 PM by The Optimist

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/13/2013 1:38:54 PM

Much higher, but that's not saying much. Anyway, it's nice to see that not every team on earth wants to move to FBS. I'm starting to move towards the group that says what we are doing now is not sustainable. A new division of similar budget programs is desirable to the current arms race that we certainly cannot win or stay up with.

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/13/2013 7:01:37 PM

I stopped by Dunk City last month on my way to Sanibel Island, it was the first place I went after landing(excluding the rental car counter). The bookstore didnt open for almost an hour after we arrived. We had time to kill.

I was amazed that their cafeteria was closed on the weekend. i loved seeing palm trees on a college campus. If I ever hit the jackpot I'll be donating a few that I'd like planted near South Green basketball rims.

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/14/2013 10:14:05 AM

colobobcat66 wrote:

Adding to that though, I would have to believe that the ROI on basketball is much higher, which makes FGCU's decision on this very easy I would think. Throw a couple million at hoops and sustain success, or spend many more millions to build a football program to D-1.

Makes one wonder how long before this could happen at MAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt schools.

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/14/2013 12:19:49 PM

Well, I don't think you're going to see MAC schools dropping football...but I think it's likely that within 10 years you will see MAC schools withdrawing from the arms race that BCS schools are currently engaged in. It would not surprise me to see a new division in between the current FCS and FBS levels...for conferences like the MAC, Sun Belt, the old WAC schools, the CUSA, and a few of the top current FCS leagues...I've been predicting and advocating such a move for a long time now.

I think such a division would gain quite a bit of interest among alumni and fans. There would still be competition for a national title, and there would be players drafted for the NFL.

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/14/2013 12:39:21 PM

OU_Country wrote:

colobobcat66 wrote:

There are certainly some schools that are prime for this to happen. EMU, of course, is probably first on the list. They've consistently had fewer than 10,000 average attendance for home games: 3,923 in 2012; 4,268 in 2011; 5,016 in 2009; 7,448 in 2007; 5,219 in 2005. And these are the figures they'll own up to; the actual attendance is likely much less. If there's another economic downturn, they might kiss football goodbye.

What will likely hurt the "Group of 5" football conferences the most is if the "elite" conferences decide to stop playing them. The Big Tenfiinity is already dropping 1AA schools, and a few are calling for the snob conferences to play amongst themselves instead of scheduling Go5 conferences. (I don't think it would happen because of antitrust concerns, but you never know.) The exposure helps the Go5 schools, and if they pull an upset it can do wonders for attendance. I know our win over Penn St last year really helped jack up attendance for the NMSU game the next week. And, remember, the TV money is largely for football, not b-ball, so dropping football would shrink the pie.

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/14/2013 6:12:09 PM

There are reports that under the new four-team playoff system and the new Gangof5 vs. BCS Bowl game that each G5 conference will be guaranteed a million dollars per school up to a maximum of $12 million to be split among their members. This means that non-AQ conferences with more than 12 members will be screwed because they won't get any extra money and will have to divided the pie into thinner slices. (Hello, MAC!) I suspect the genesis for both the also ran BCS Bowl and the guaranteed payoffs is to forestall anti-trust suits from G5 schools. From what I've heard the announcement on this deal is pending every single G5 school signing an agreement that would effectively prevent any anti-trust suits against the playoff system.

Edit: This also, of course, makes it much harder for FCS schools to move up to FBS. It will lock the existing conferences at a maximum of 12, and prevent access to newbies. I suppose law suits could come from the FCS-level saying they are being locked out. But this would assure the AQ schools that the other FBS schools would be on their side if any such suits should develop.

Second Edit: There is still time for all of this to breakdown. But, if my sources are correct, it's very interesting that this is being discussed. It means that the arms-race that some have talked about is taking a very different trajectory than what might have been envisioned. As is often the case, the future has a way of not adhering to our plans.

Last Edited: 5/14/2013 6:22:56 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/15/2013 10:50:01 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

There are a lot of people who are of your opinion who think there should be or will be a third subdivision for football within Division 1 but that would require a third championship structure. Based on the fact that FBS is a four team playoff now and could grow to 8 or 16 teams down the road I don't think the MAC, SBC, CUSA and MWC are going to push for a third subdivision. Structurally within D1 there are four levels presently; contract bowl leagues, group of 5 five, full scholarship FCS and less than 63 scholarship FCS. Conferences with less than 32 scholarships are ineligible for the FCS playoffs. The Pioneer League which Dayton competes in is ineligible for the FCS playoffs. Before the BCS developed the concept of the big conferences of the FBS playing at a different level of smaller leagues like the MAC wasn't de jure as it is today. Both the FBS and FCS don't give automatic bids to every conference so how can it be ensured that a third division with the MAC, SBC, CUSA and Big Sky, CAA, MVC would be democratic? It could be an 8 team playoff with best records invited only. The third level idea draws parallels between those leagues in fan support therefore they should be in the same subdivision but it doesn't consider leagues always act in their own self interests to structure to promote the bigger football schools. There is nothing democratic about the way FCS is set up with the CAA and Big Sky earning 3-4 playoff bids while the Northeast conference earns only 1.

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RE: Interesting point on FGCU

Posted: 5/15/2013 10:07:40 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

All FCS conferences have an auto bid this year as long as they have 6 members. The Pioneer is eligible this year.

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