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Author Message Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 1:58:44 PM  http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x609794722/3-bench-players-leaving-Illinois-basketball-team Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 3:10:05 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x609794722/3-bench-players-leaving-Illinois-basketball-team I think we call it "getting Asowned" around here. Big discussion between the group that thinks it is horrible and the group that thinks it is neccessary on their board. Interesting how they use words .....whe4n Discussing Iowa in the NIT vs being in the NCAA there was an interesting post talking about always striving for the NCAA berth vs the learning expereince of the NIT for a younger team....one poster said ..."you always strive for the NCAA even if you get Akroned in the first round" Asown caught a break when Stevie Fresh headed out for his record career allowing 44 to return for his 4th and final playing season. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top perimeterpost General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 3,165 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 4:05:03 PM  it was a little different with Sayles as he had already earned his bachelors degree and the Illini 3 are sophomores but I see your point. Maybe getting "Jacobsed" is a more accurate term. MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,552 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 4:09:49 PM  Well we saw how JG could do with Webers guys, so we will now get to see what he does with his players. It might take a year or so, but I'm guessing that he will do better than OK. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,062 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 6:50:43 PM  Beating my dead horse:  Why do these kids have to sit out a year again? Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 8:44:45 PM  Ohio69 wrote: Beating my dead horse:  Why do these kids have to sit out a year again? According to the story they asked to transfer, so they'll have to sit unless they get some kind of waiver (e.g., family emergency or some kind of special need).  It's not like they were big producers off the bench; the three combined for less than 2 pts a game. Last Edited: 4/1/2013 8:47:02 PM by Pataskala We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top LongDistancebobcat General User Member Since: 4/25/2012 Post Count: 124 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 9:54:21 PM  Pataskala wrote: Ohio69 wrote: Beating my dead horse:  Why do these kids have to sit out a year again? According to the story they asked to transfer, so they'll have to sit unless they get some kind of waiver (e.g., family emergency or some kind of special need).  It's not like they were big producers off the bench; the three combined for less than 2 pts a game. By that logic, you would be OK with JC getting rid of Kadeem? Back to Top Speaker of Truth General User Member Since: 1/26/2011 Post Count: 441 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 10:07:54 PM  This is one of the worst things about college basketball.  The kids then have to sit out a year when they are forced out.  I think the NCAA as a whole needs to do a better job of making sure teams are not doing this to players.  It is one of the dark secrets that casual fans do not see.   Back to Top Speaker of Truth General User Member Since: 1/26/2011 Post Count: 441 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/1/2013 10:09:34 PM  Pataskala wrote: Ohio69 wrote: Beating my dead horse:  Why do these kids have to sit out a year again? According to the story they asked to transfer, so they'll have to sit unless they get some kind of waiver (e.g., family emergency or some kind of special need).  It's not like they were big producers off the bench; the three combined for less than 2 pts a game. Your thinking is what is exactly wrong with the situation.  They didn't fit Groce's system so he cuts them from scholarship?  These are student athletes...not professionals. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,552 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 5:54:38 AM  How about still retaining them on scholarship to stay at the school, unable to play, as long as they are making academic progress for a total of 4 years. It costs the school, but doesn't count against schollie count of 13. The kid is protected against being dumped and the school pays for making mistake on the player. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,552 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 8:56:15 AM  And Huggy Bear is losing 3 at WVU as well. Must be something in the water. Back to Top HeHateMiami General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Mason, OH Post Count: 473 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 9:14:36 AM  colobobcat66 wrote: How about still retaining them on scholarship to stay at the school, unable to play, as long as they are making academic progress for a total of 4 years. It costs the school, but doesn't count against schollie count of 13. The kid is protected against being dumped and the school pays for making mistake on the player. I can't imagine that many kids wanting to take advantage of that. Imagine being a college kid who can play basketball well enough to get a scholarship at Illinois. Wouldn't you want to continue your career somewhere, even if not as prestigious of a place? Crazy that you can be cut by a new coach coming in and then you have to transfer AND sit out a year to continue playing. It's just not right.  Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,419 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 10:04:27 AM  the123kid wrote: This is one of the worst things about college basketball. The kids then have to sit out a year when they are forced out. I think the NCAA as a whole needs to do a better job of making sure teams are not doing this to players. It is one of the dark secrets that casual fans do not see. Whats not fair is if they were DI baseball players they could play tomorrow. Hmm, guess they changed that one when they did the APR thing. That's good to know. Sorry for the misinformation Last Edited: 4/3/2013 5:41:51 AM by BillyTheCat Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 10:21:10 AM  the123kid wrote: This is one of the worst things about college basketball.  The kids then have to sit out a year when they are forced out.  I think the NCAA as a whole needs to do a better job of making sure teams are not doing this to players.  It is one of the dark secrets that casual fans do not see.   You're right, this sucks, but I guess I understand why the rule is this way. Obviously, when a kid transfers because he doesn't like the coach or his teammates or wants to go to a winning program, the NCAA wants to make sure those players have to sit out a year first so players can't just transfer any time they decide there is somewhere better they could play. You could try to make an exception for players who are sort of forced out of programs but that's going to be really hard to determine. Some of these players leave on their own decision because they realize they're not going to play as much as they want. It would be hard to pick and choose who has to sit out a year and who doesn't. Back to Top nam1975 General User Member Since: 3/25/2012 Post Count: 30 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 8:50:47 PM  I guess they asked to transfer? Or did they not have their annual scholarships renewed? Does B ball work like football in this manner? SEC football does not renew kids all the time, but most of those kids end up at 1-AA...or whatever they call it. The B1G continues to be vocal anti on this practice. Back to Top LongDistancebobcat General User Member Since: 4/25/2012 Post Count: 124 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 9:21:11 PM  Typically a coach has one chance to revamp his roster; after his first year.  it is not uncommon for the new coach to urge players he did not personally recruit, but were recruited by the previous coach, to move on.  Technically, you could say he doesn't have to show loyalty to those kids as they weren't "his".  It doesn't make recruiting easier if you run off kids you recruited.  That will be used against you.  Huggins obviously doesn't care, but , otherwise, you don't usually see this from established coaches.  I wondered if JC would keep all his inherited players.  Still not sure he will keep Green on the roster.  Also, their academic standing makes a difference.  If somebody leaves in bad academic standing, it hurts your APR.  Losing those academically eligible does not hurt as much. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,552 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 9:55:02 PM  HeHateMiami wrote: colobobcat66 wrote: How about still retaining them on scholarship to stay at the school, unable to play, as long as they are making academic progress for a total of 4 years. It costs the school, but doesn't count against schollie count of 13. The kid is protected against being dumped and the school pays for making mistake on the player. I can't imagine that many kids wanting to take advantage of that. Imagine being a college kid who can play basketball well enough to get a scholarship at Illinois. Wouldn't you want to continue your career somewhere, even if not as prestigious of a place? Crazy that you can be cut by a new coach coming in and then you have to transfer AND sit out a year to continue playing. It's just not right. . I can't either but it being in place would shut up all the folks in here and other boards that think it's a travesty that the coaches don't honor the scholarships for 4 years . If its just the school they want to attend let them do it. Oh it probably wouldn't shut them up because they just want to bitch about the inequities in the world. Back to Top whocaresgobobcats General User Member Since: 8/29/2011 Post Count: 519 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 11:23:24 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: the123kid wrote: This is one of the worst things about college basketball.  The kids then have to sit out a year when they are forced out.  I think the NCAA as a whole needs to do a better job of making sure teams are not doing this to players.  It is one of the dark secrets that casual fans do not see.   Whats not fair is if they were DI baseball players they could play tomorrow. uh. no. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/2/2013 11:33:39 PM  Interesting discussion. Groce meets with players periodically during the year in a formal meeting complete with stats, goals, expectations and progress reports. I got to think that kids knew where  they stood well before they came into that office for the year end review. Groce makes it very clear that schollies are renewed yearly. As for me.....I like the one year rule for a lot of reasons but let's just step back and look at it from a different perspective. You are being asked to leave the program ( I know it says that you actially asked to be let out) that you commmitted to now that the coach who got you to commit is gone. Now you havea chance to get another year of edjumikations on someone else's dime. YOu have a year to get to know the new coach, new teamies, a new system and a year to fix what was keeping you on the beinch in the first place. A year more of maturity and a year to get used to your new surroundings, new profs and department heads, new campus and all the surroundings of a new school. You also have to figure out what credits are going to transfer and where you are in their program compared to the one you came from. I do not see the downside if I am an athlete looking for a place to land that actually wants me and will play me. Assuming you were good enough to make a B1G roster youshould have some choices even thought there are now 500 plus transfers a year for 341 schools. It is not a bad thing by any means. Players want to play but players want a lot of things, I think it is better in the bigger picture that they get a year to get things in order. They do not know it...... but in the bigger scheme...it really is better..... I'd take it in a minute.....and I would tell my kid to do the same in a heartbeat. Ibby is an all B1G Academic team honoree. I hope he is smart enough to take a ride where he is challenged academically and can build his game. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/3/2013 8:01:05 AM  Why not have two levels of transfers.  Every year at season end the coach would file a list of scholarships that are being renewed. 1.  Kids that are not having scholarship renewed are free to transfer without sitting out a year. 2.  Kids that are offered renewals but want to transfer have to sit out the year. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/6/2013 11:39:40 AM  OUVan wrote: Why not have two levels of transfers.  Every year at season end the coach would file a list of scholarships that are being renewed. 1.  Kids that are not having scholarship renewed are free to transfer without sitting out a year. 2.  Kids that are offered renewals but want to transfer have to sit out the year. Splendid, simple. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/6/2013 6:01:50 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: OUVan wrote: Why not have two levels of transfers.  Every year at season end the coach would file a list of scholarships that are being renewed. 1.  Kids that are not having scholarship renewed are free to transfer without sitting out a year. 2.  Kids that are offered renewals but want to transfer have to sit out the year. Splendid, simple. Or why not just let kids transfer without sitting out regardless of the reason, but the school can put together a list of say 10% or 20% of D1 schools where the kid can't transfer without sitting a year.  That would help do away with situations where kids are pressured into asking to transfer because the coach isn't going to play them that much. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/6/2013 6:56:24 PM  It is really is better the way it is... too much messing with something that is not broke. IMHO. Messing with it would way open Pandora;s box....AAU team mates would take the situation that exists in transfers in HS to a whole new level. LEave it how it is....If anything address the rule on the back end with the incoming coaches who prune their rosters. There are already almost 500 kids transferring a year with the one year rule. WOuld be interesting to see how many of those have nothing to do with the coaching changes. I got to think the kids have got to figure out how to commit to  a University while ADs figure out how to retain players in a coaching change never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/8/2013 11:59:08 AM  Pataskala wrote: Or why not just let kids transfer without sitting out regardless of the reason, but the school can put together a list of say 10% or 20% of D1 schools where the kid can't transfer without sitting a year.  That would help do away with situations where kids are pressured into asking to transfer because the coach isn't going to play them that much. Because that would create choas every year.  You'd never know what you need to recuit from year-to-year if it were too easy to transfer.   And it would undoubtably lead to surreptitious recruiting of good mid-major players by big programs.   There has to be a safeguard against willy-nilly transfering IMO. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Coach Groce wishes three Illini players well in their future endeavors...    Posted: 4/8/2013 12:03:05 PM  OUVan wrote: Because that would create choas every year.  You'd never know what you need to recuit from year-to-year if it were too easy to transfer.   And it would undoubtably lead to surreptitious recruiting of good mid-major players by big programs.   There has to be a safeguard against willy-nilly transfering IMO. And were that rule not in place we may very well have seen DJ in Orange for his final 3 years rather than just that All Star game. Now that it is said and done and the offending coach chastised and let go it may still come out anyway. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 65 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2 | 3    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 758 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 757 Guests 1 Registered User:   Scott Woods There are no other users looking at this page.

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