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So, traveling and palming are not lost in history and memory. Because, apparently, refs aren't ever going to call it again.  Hint:  it is impossible to switch directions with the ball in one's hand without stopping the ball from going the direction that it was headed in before the switch of directions.  That stopping of the ball in one's hand is a stop (really).  A re-start in another direction is an illegal re-start identifed as 'traveling' or 'palming.'  If they'll let you get away with that move or the both-feet-jump start to your drive (also traveling), then there ain't no way that I can defense you. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 6:53:47 AM  Bob Knight once did a piece during an ESPN broadcast showing the various ways players travel and get away with it, not only on drives but also backing against other players.  College ball is truly an NBA game these days. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 9:04:02 AM  Pataskala wrote: College ball is truly an NBA game these days. I wouldn't quite go that far. Generally, guys still aren't allowed to take four steps while going up for a dunk. One other rule that seems to be relaxed to me is continuation. I've seen quite a few baskets counted where a guy gets fouled, takes another dribble through the contact and then shoots cleanly to get an and-one. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 10:44:38 AM  I'm out of my element with basketball, but this topic is of interest to me. One rule interpretation at the high school level (and younger) drives me crazy: Refs don't seem to call "reaching in" once a player clearly regains possession after a loose ball. An opposing player seems to "reach in" to grab the ball, and the ref, without fail, calls "jump ball." As  result, coaches teach youth players to always reach in and grab the ball to draw the "jump ball." Fifty percent of the time, you get the possession arrow. Seems like this is a change from when I was a kid, but don't know for sure. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 11:15:09 AM  Robert Fox wrote: I'm out of my element with basketball, but this topic is of interest to me. One rule interpretation at the high school level (and younger) drives me crazy: Refs don't seem to call "reaching in" once a player clearly regains possession after a loose ball. An opposing player seems to "reach in" to grab the ball, and the ref, without fail, calls "jump ball." As  result, coaches teach youth players to always reach in and grab the ball to draw the "jump ball." Fifty percent of the time, you get the possession arrow. Seems like this is a change from when I was a kid, but don't know for sure. That seems especially true in the younger AAU levels.  Kids are allowed to plow through kids to get the ball.  It's almost like the soccer slide tackle rule. As long as you touch the ball first it doesn't matter what happens after that.   I'm all for teaching good aggressive defense, and there is some benefit to the ballhandler learning how to protect the ball, but when a kid gets knocked down hard to the ground over and over it borders on ridiculous. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 11:38:13 AM  OUVan wrote: Robert Fox wrote: I'm out of my element with basketball, but this topic is of interest to me. One rule interpretation at the high school level (and younger) drives me crazy: Refs don't seem to call "reaching in" once a player clearly regains possession after a loose ball. An opposing player seems to "reach in" to grab the ball, and the ref, without fail, calls "jump ball." As  result, coaches teach youth players to always reach in and grab the ball to draw the "jump ball." Fifty percent of the time, you get the possession arrow. Seems like this is a change from when I was a kid, but don't know for sure. That seems especially true in the younger AAU levels.  Kids are allowed to plow through kids to get the ball.  It's almost like the soccer slide tackle rule. As long as you touch the ball first it doesn't matter what happens after that.   I'm all for teaching good aggressive defense, and there is some benefit to the ballhandler learning how to protect the ball, but when a kid gets knocked down hard to the ground over and over it borders on ridiculous. And the trickle down theory of basketball...... which is why I put the post up regarding "taking Flagrants".....can't wait till some Bobby Knight wannabe coach at the 5th grade level tells his kid to send a message to a kid who is tearing them up. Getting away from fundamentals at the lower levels is why a college level ref that was at out selection sunday party said...."you can't call it any more because NO ONE knows how to dribble the way we were taught" never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 12:07:56 PM  Thanks to you both. I agree it's probably more common at the AAU level. It drives me crazy because many times, you get continuous "jump ball" calls through the course of the game, and clearly you would need to foul in order to gain possession. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,554 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 2:22:31 PM  That's happened already, borna... Also, reaching in isn't a foul. Illegal contact is. As long as you're not making illegal contact, you can reach in all you want. I assume this is what you meant, but I wanted to be clear. Last Edited: 3/25/2013 2:23:20 PM by JSF "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: In memoriam: Traveling...palming.    Posted: 3/25/2013 3:51:04 PM  Yes, the illegal contact is what I'm talking about. However, I thought there was a foul, at one time, called "reaching in"? Whether or not that's true, the point is, in order for the opponent to get hands on the basketball, they would almost certainly have to make contact. Here's the scenario (picture youth ball): One kid scrambles to gain possession of a loose ball, which he does. He stands with ball tucked into his belly and waiting for traffic to clear. Opposing player "reaches in" to grab ball, but it would be nearly impossible to grab the ball without making contact. Ref blows "jump ball." 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