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"Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top perimeterpost General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 3,165 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/9/2013 6:40:05 PM  Russ mentioned Mrs Groce was in the Convo today as well. MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,365 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/9/2013 8:16:36 PM  perimeterpost wrote: Russ mentioned Mrs Groce was in the Convo today as well. Illinois is at O$U tomorrow, so the timing was fortuitous.  We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top cathead General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 301 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/9/2013 9:14:54 PM  Coach G has to be proud of this class.. I would think he would be extremely supportive of the program and Im sure the team wants to share the success with him.Coach C seemed really happy cutting down the net... and our crowd was really good... stayed for the ceremony... such support. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/9/2013 9:15:33 PM  Allison and fam were in the COnvo with Bobcat gear on. Gram and Gramps and the kids. The wives of the entire staff (Ford , walker, Williams, Morris and their kids)  from last year made it in to say good bye to the senior class they were very close with. Nice touch. Good to see them in green one more time. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Buster General User Member Since: 12/20/2007 Post Count: 405 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/9/2013 10:34:46 PM  bornacatfan wrote: Allison and fam were in the COnvo with Bobcat gear on. Gram and Gramps and the kids. The wives of the entire staff (Ford , walker, Williams, Morris and their kids)  from last year made it in to say good bye to the senior class they were very close with. Nice touch. Good to see them in green one more time. WOW.  Very nice touch ideed.  "Once a Bobcat, always a Bobcat." I'll tell ya where we'll go. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... ATHENS. Back to Top Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 765 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/9/2013 10:59:17 PM  Nice touch by the wives.  I'm not sure what protocal is in college coaching, but my leadership mentors have always told me that once you leave a place don't potentially undercut the new leader by staying in touch other than general "being nice" type gestures.  I'd say an occassional text saying "good luck" or "great job" would be acceptable.  You need to make a clean break and not be giving advice, or having secondary conversations, with your former Indians.  I'm sure Groce and staff have followed this practice and understand JC is now the coach of these players.  Back to Top SouthernCat General User Member Since: 1/3/2005 Post Count: 166 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/10/2013 7:19:22 AM  JSF wrote: Just told Russ the team still gets texts from Groce before big games. That's pretty cool. I'm pretty sure it's also an NCAA violation. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/10/2013 10:07:06 AM  SouthernCat wrote: JSF wrote: Just told Russ the team still gets texts from Groce before big games. That's pretty cool. I'm pretty sure it's also an NCAA violation. I would hope not. WHy don't you cite your source for that? Are you saying that because you know of a case or there is something inthe manual you have read? I owuld be interested to hear if you actually have a basis for that or if you are just throwing that out there. I would say I know of at least 250 coaches and assts. who recruited kids at one school and moved on but still keep in touch with those kids as friends and humans.Coach Rhodes will be part of our families life till death. Groce will also be someone Tommy looks to as a mentor a nd confidant. YOu build a relationship with your recruiters through the recruiting process, home visits, on campus meetings and then while you are in the program. They are part of your family. THey see your kid more than you do and you trust them with your child as he steps into the world and becomes a man. Those coaches are mentors in thier lives and will be till one of the 2 leaves this earth.   I would personally go down to the NCAA and say WTF are you thinking? if that were the case. IMHO that would be like removing a family member from your life. I see no reason and can not find a  source in a cursory view of the ncaa manual that says a former coach can not respond to or send a text to a kid he had a relationship at another school. If you see that please forward me a source. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,949 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/10/2013 11:40:08 AM  I doubt if it is illegal, but would certainly be unethical if not cleared with the current coach.  My guess is Groce asked Christian if he'd mind if he texted the boys and Christian gave his full approval.  Groce knows its not his team anymore. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,456 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/10/2013 9:00:41 PM  It's not a violation. If he were soliciting the players to come play for him, then maybe. But he's reaching out as a friend. I'm pretty sure it's not the first time it has been done. Now, if he were to buy them dinner...and even that's a stretch. Back to Top mcbin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 951 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/10/2013 10:16:24 PM  The Illinois staff still cares very much and keeps up closely with Ohio and how they're doing. And likewise, Ohio fans still love the former staff. Quite a few Bobcat fans (& former players) in the house this afternoon at tosu to cheer on Groce & co. Back to Top SouthernCat General User Member Since: 1/3/2005 Post Count: 166 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/10/2013 11:36:02 PM  bornacatfan wrote: SouthernCat wrote: JSF wrote: Just told Russ the team still gets texts from Groce before big games. That's pretty cool. I'm pretty sure it's also an NCAA violation. I would hope not. WHy don't you cite your source for that? Are you saying that because you know of a case or there is something inthe manual you have read? I owuld be interested to hear if you actually have a basis for that or if you are just throwing that out there. I would say I know of at least 250 coaches and assts. who recruited kids at one school and moved on but still keep in touch with those kids as friends and humans.Coach Rhodes will be part of our families life till death. Groce will also be someone Tommy looks to as a mentor a nd confidant. YOu build a relationship with your recruiters through the recruiting process, home visits, on campus meetings and then while you are in the program. They are part of your family. THey see your kid more than you do and you trust them with your child as he steps into the world and becomes a man. Those coaches are mentors in thier lives and will be till one of the 2 leaves this earth. I would personally go down to the NCAA and say WTF are you thinking? if that were the case. IMHO that would be like removing a family member from your life. I see no reason and can not find a source in a cursory view of the ncaa manual that says a former coach can not respond to or send a text to a kid he had a relationship at another school. If you see that please forward me a source. http://www.bigeast.org/AbouttheBIGEAST/NCAAGuidelines.aspx It doesn't matter about the nature of the contact. He needs the ADs written permission to contact any of our athletes. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,789 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/10/2013 11:49:12 PM  It seems to me that these sections are referring to recruiting and contact by boosters.  I don't see how an x-coach contacting players to encourage them to do well in a contest for their current school with no intention or action aimed at recruiting them for his new school is a violation. Am I missing something here? The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 2,253 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/11/2013 12:30:07 AM  It IS the NCAA we're talking about here. They are the kings of completely pointless, over the top, ridiculous rules. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/11/2013 7:43:25 AM  so you are interpreting OUr current players as "prospects"? Maybe I am reading this wrongly but I do not see the interpretation as applying to anyone but potential players. As noted above , unless they are openly recruiting our players I do not think it applies. Of the 250 or so coaches I know that keep in contact withtheir former players after a move, I would consider those guys the cream of the crop. The most stand up guys the NCAA has. They are the best of the best, the most honorable. The guys who build relationships and and long after they are gone continue to be positives in the players lives that they committed to..you see them at weddings and christenings many many years after the kids have moved on to bigger things.....and incedentally  probably head off more problems with the next staff than will ever be known or see the light of day. . never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top SouthernCat General User Member Since: 1/3/2005 Post Count: 166 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/11/2013 9:59:42 AM  bornacatfan wrote: so you are interpreting OUr current players as "prospects"? Maybe I am reading this wrongly but I do not see the interpretation as applying to anyone but potential players. As noted above , unless they are openly recruiting our players I do not think it applies. Of the 250 or so coaches I know that keep in contact withtheir former players after a move, I would consider those guys the cream of the crop. The most stand up guys the NCAA has. They are the best of the best, the most honorable. The guys who build relationships and and long after they are gone continue to be positives in the players lives that they committed to..you see them at weddings and christenings many many years after the kids have moved on to bigger things.....and incedentally  probably head off more problems with the next staff than will ever be known or see the light of day. . After looking it up I guess it is ok as long as it is not recruiting. I was just going off a conversation i had with a wrestling coach about a previous employee. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/14/2013 2:40:14 PM  Groce and the Illini overcome a three point deficit to Minnesota in the last minute and win with a shot at the buzzer.  Now they get Indiana.  The win probably cements their bid in the tourney though. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,949 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/14/2013 2:56:02 PM  Possible first round match-up?     Back to Top Gangsta Pete General User Member Since: 3/20/2012 Location: Raleigh, NC Post Count: 62 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/14/2013 4:22:08 PM  cc cat wrote: Possible first round match-up?     Nope, they'll probably get an 8 or 9 seed, whereas we would likely be a 13.  Soonest we would see them is Sweet 16 (they would have to knock off a 1 to get there, so not very likely). "There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."  -Morpheus Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,460 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/14/2013 4:39:28 PM  Am I the only one that's more than a little nervous about our chances of winning the MAC tourney this weekend?  I'm not even going to entertain any thoughts of March Madness unless and until we win the MAC tourney.  It seems a lot of people already think we have this thing wrapped up.  It's probably the "Cleveland" in me, but the last thing I think is that Ohio has this tourney all wrapped up.  Like last year, we'll be fortunate to win it all.  It's not that I think Ohio can't win it; Ohio definitely CAN win it.  But I'm sure not going to assume such a result. Back to Top sargentfan General User Member Since: 3/16/2005 Post Count: 917 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/14/2013 5:03:17 PM  Mark Lembright '85 wrote: Am I the only one that's more than a little nervous about our chances of winning the MAC tourney this weekend?  I'm not even going to entertain any thoughts of March Madness unless and until we win the MAC tourney.  It seems a lot of people already think we have this thing wrapped up.  It's probably the "Cleveland" in me, but the last thing I think is that Ohio has this tourney all wrapped up.  Like last year, we'll be fortunate to win it all.  It's not that I think Ohio can't win it; Ohio definitely CAN win it.  But I'm sure not going to assume such a result. No I definitely have the same feelings as well, I won't even take for granted our semi-final game.  Because as our own history has shown any hot team can win the MAC.  And history has proven that more often than not the 1 seed has not won it. (Yes I know we aren't the 1 seed, still a valid point to the unpredictability) Back to Top Bleed Green & White General User Member Since: 12/27/2004 Location: Driving on US 33 Post Count: 164 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/14/2013 6:13:27 PM  OUVan wrote: Groce and the Illini overcome a three point deficit to Minnesota in the last minute and win with a shot at the buzzer.  Now they get Indiana.  The win probably cements their bid in the tourney though. Watch for the classic John Groce lean when the shot goes up: http://deadspin.com/gus-johnsonss-first-gusgasm-of-march-courtesy-of-an-i-453718812 I've seen that before: Last Edited: 3/14/2013 6:13:52 PM by Bleed Green & White "we are bound to win the fray..." Don't let anyone block your pride. BSC '06 Back to Top Shawn Sellers General User Member Since: 1/4/2005 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 221 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/14/2013 7:59:30 PM  Bleed Green & White wrote: OUVan wrote: Groce and the Illini overcome a three point deficit to Minnesota in the last minute and win with a shot at the buzzer.  Now they get Indiana.  The win probably cements their bid in the tourney though. Watch for the classic John Groce lean when the shot goes up: http://deadspin.com/gus-johnsonss-first-gusgasm-of-march-courtesy-of-an-i-453718812 I've seen that before: LOL! I love it! What a character! Back to Top athena General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 710 Status: Offline     RE: DJ: Groce Still Talks to Us    Posted: 3/15/2013 7:32:15 AM  Too funny. You can see it in all the replays too. 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