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shabamon
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Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 2:24:32 PM

Now that we have added Devon Baker, We essentially have 10 guards on the roster, if you include the preferred walk-ons as well as Roderick and Olumide, who both played some two this past season. How will the rotation play out? Can we get six or seven in the fold consistently? Could we play with a whole lot more pace and pressure.

Tell you what, the mid majors that make noise in March always have excellent guard play.

Bobcat1998
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 3:01:52 PM

shabamon wrote:

Starting lineup of small ball
PG: Hunter
SG: Baker
C: Wilson
SF: Roderick
PF: Clayton
Next 5
PG: E. James
SG: M. Brown
C: Witznitzer
SF: AJ Brown
PF: Ezuma

Develop: Sheldon, Hadaway, Adelodun

LOVE THIS TEAM!

greencat
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 3:09:12 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Not sure about Brown going from starter to reserve but Baker has started 71 games of D-1 hoops, so this get has to be viewed as a positive. Any boo-hoo'ing over the Towns transfer can pretty much end now, but best of luck to him moving forward.

Is it too soon to get my Bobcats at Belmont tickets?

Last Edited: 5/19/2022 3:10:30 PM by greencat

The Optimist
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 3:23:46 PM

We've now got three Seniors for next year who have played significant minutes starting at other D-1 programs... Lost a bunch of experienced guys but gained a bunch more... We definitely are not at the bottom rung of this new transfer portal world... We brought in some players.

I've seen crazier things happen.

Jeff McKinney
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 3:41:28 PM

I like the Baker acquisition. I think we will be ok with a smaller rotation this season. I think Brown and James among the freshmen can give us players big enough to play the wings. They may not be 6-6, but they are very athletic.

FJC31
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 3:45:51 PM

greencat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Brown started out of necessity last season in place of McDay and wasn�t overly impactful. Maybe he takes a step forward this season, but I think his value is 6th man.

M.D.W.S.T
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 4:22:36 PM

FJC31 wrote:

greencat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Brown started out of necessity last season in place of McDay and wasn�t overly impactful. Maybe he takes a step forward this season, but I think his value is 6th man.

Miles certainly was more impactful than B-Rod, but I agree he's probably coming off the bench - but NOT for Baker.

AJ Brown didn't turn down ACC, SEC, and Big 10 offers to come ride the bench for Ohio University. Not in this era.

This would be the ideal line-up imo.

Hunter - 6'
AJ Brown - 6'4"
B-Rod (probably) - 6'5 or Hadaway 6'7''
Dwight Wilson - 6'8
Wiznitzer - 6'11

Clayton / Ezuma - 6'8
Brown - 6'1 / Baker - 6'2

I think it's gonna be really tough to keep Wiznitzer's size off the floor. Not only is he nearly 7' tall, but he's a thick, strong 7'. Him and Wilson might get every single rebound and out muscle everyone who comes to town. That's something that hasn't been said in Athens in years. And for once... we have depth? I'm knocking on every piece of wood I can find, but that's a 10 man rotation, and we're leaving out some pieces.

Keep your small ball. Let's bully some guys and let the guards run around the trees.

Last Edited: 5/19/2022 4:25:02 PM by M.D.W.S.T

FJC31
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 5:01:07 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

greencat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Brown started out of necessity last season in place of McDay and wasn�t overly impactful. Maybe he takes a step forward this season, but I think his value is 6th man.

I agree with your argument on Brown, but I don't see Baker coming off the bench. Prior to Tulane and the competition jump, he had a career average of 15.9 ppg with fifteen 20+ point games and three 30+ point games at UNC-Asheville. The Big South Conference is closer to the MAC than the AAC and Baker has the most proven offensive firepower at the D1 level on our roster.

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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 5:13:09 PM

FJC31 wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

greencat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Brown started out of necessity last season in place of McDay and wasn�t overly impactful. Maybe he takes a step forward this season, but I think his value is 6th man.

But I still don't think we can necessarily attribute the drop off in numbers at Tulane to an upgrade in competition. Could be several other factors.

FJC31
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 5:23:39 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

FJC31 wrote:

greencat wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Brown started out of necessity last season in place of McDay and wasn�t overly impactful. Maybe he takes a step forward this season, but I think his value is 6th man.

But I still don't think we can necessarily attribute the drop off in numbers at Tulane to an upgrade in competition. Could be several other factors.

Sure, but even if you factor in his Tulane numbers, the career average only drops to 12.9 ppg and those 20+ and 30+ scoring outbursts remain. Still making him the most proven scorer on our roster.

Last Edited: 5/19/2022 5:28:48 PM by FJC31

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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 5:51:14 PM

I'm just glad Devon chose Ohio.

bobcatsquared
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 7:25:11 PM

The only difference in OUr fans clamoring for a "10-man" rotation in 2022-23 and pretty much every other season is that it is now being bandied about in May instead of October.

And then, as is the past, we'll end up going 7 (maybe 8) deep.

On another note: we can't go another season with BRod in the starting lineup. If this roster has the depth and talent mentioned in this thread, and I believe it does, then we have several more athletic scorers to replace him.

Last Edited: 5/19/2022 7:28:12 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/19/2022 8:10:26 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

On another note: we can't go another season with BRod in the starting lineup. If this roster has the depth and talent mentioned in this thread, and I believe it does, then we have several more athletic scorers to replace him.

This. All year folks were "this game will break him out" - "wait until the tournament" - "thought that shot would get him going" - etc. etc. etc.

He started out of desperation last year. Not sure why anyone would pencil him into the starting lineup. I join in the hope that he wakes up one day and his shot has returned, but playing him for a handful of rebounds is sooo last year.

FJC31
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/20/2022 8:34:54 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Yea, I think BRod will get a chance to recapture his stroke but the leash will be short. I�d prefer a Hunter, Baker, AJ Brown, Gabe, Dwight starting 5.

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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 5/20/2022 11:16:58 AM

FJC31 wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Yea, I think BRod will get a chance to recapture his stroke but the leash will be short. I�d prefer a Hunter, Baker, AJ Brown, Gabe, Dwight starting 5.

It would be interesting to know what level of effort Roderick is putting in this offseason to regain his shooting effectiveness. If only local sports journalism was still a thing.

MonroeClassmate
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 6/1/2022 11:30:37 AM

10 man rotation?

Time to channel a bit of Nolan Richardson's "40 minutes of Hell" for OUr boyz?

71 BOBCAT
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 6/2/2022 8:11:58 AM

I don't know why Boals decided to recruit so many guards. 10 guards seems too many.
Additionally we have 4 seniors which will make us an overly young team for these next 2 years.
If 1 or 2 of our bigs gets injured we will be in a world of hurt.

GO BOBCATS

FJC31
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 6/2/2022 8:41:20 AM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

Can�t control any potential injuries. I�m guessing Boals went for overall talent that he could land, rather than need. I actually like the way the roster has shaped up. The build itself reminds me a little of 17/18 Buffalo. How it all comes together, is another story.

cc-cat
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 6/2/2022 7:26:33 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

...we have 4 seniors which will make us an overly young team for these next 2 years.GO BOBCATS

If we have learned anything this offseason it is that rosters will drastically change from one year to the next.

Victory
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 6/9/2022 1:49:48 PM

If you think in terms of ball handlers, swing men, and big men we are not that out of whack. We have seven guards on scholarship, five forwards, and a center. Roderick is listed as a forward but he isn't a big. When he is in he is almost always a small forward and never a shooting guard or power forward. So I'd break it down with 8 scholarships covering 1, 2, and 3 positions (8/3 = 2.67):

Ajay Sheldon
Elmore James
Miles Brown
Olumide Adelodun
Jaylin Hunter
Devon Baker
AJ Bown
Ben Roderick

Five "Bigs" for 4 and 5 (5/2=2.5) :

Dwight Wilson III
Aiden Hadaway
IJ Ezuma
AJ Clayton
Gabe Wizintzer

Both freshman walk-on's are guards. Chase said McDaniel plans to return when he asked him and he's a guard. If Michael Brown returns, and if I recall someone claimed during the season that he quit due to a personal project and was likely to return, he's a guard. On the off chance Tenerowicz pulls out of the portal again, and as far as I know he is still in it and hasn't gone anywhere but I am not sure that would make the news, he'd be a guard. That might make the roster look more lopsided but I don't know if it matters all that much except maybe with a few drills - especially if some bigs are injured.

If I recall when I looked at the roster the numbers that Michael Brown and McDaniel had last season were given to scholarship players. I don't know if that means anything or not.

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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 6/12/2022 1:55:11 PM

Victory wrote:

I'm not sure now if McDaniel is coming back as he isn't on the roster as of today. I haven't talked to him since we were on campus but I personally don't want to ask as I feel it's a bit inappropriate to at this time.

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Victory
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RE: Whole lotta guards

Posted: 6/12/2022 6:19:08 PM

I noticed he wasn't on the roster. I noticed AJ Brown has #24. So I think those are indicators, I'm not sure exactly how strong of an indicator though, that he isn't planning to come back. But like I said, these guys are walk-ons so I am not sure that it is all that relevant to the make-up of the team.

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