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  Message Not Read  Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/16/2012 11:13:43 PM 
From SIU transferring in.  Will be eligible 13-14 season. 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/16/2012 11:24:39 PM 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/17/2012 12:23:40 AM 
Hooligan wrote:
From SIU transferring in.  Will be eligible 13-14 season. 



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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/17/2012 7:39:04 PM 
This is the second transfer under JC, so far, 1 JC and 1-4yr school guy.
I'm watching this coaches moves carefully. We need 4 year guys not 2 years and gone.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/17/2012 8:03:05 PM 

Actually this is the 3rd transfer for Christian and don't forget Kadeem Green (Mizzou) under Groce will be eligible in December.

Travis Wilkins (JC) - Eligible immediately.  2 years to play.  Shooting Guard
Javarez Bean Willis (Texas Tech) - Eligible to play in 2013.  2 years to play from that point.  Point Guard.
Treg Setty (SIU) - Eligible to play in 2013.  3 years to play from that point. Small Forward/Power Forward.  Currently the only player in the 2016 class.

I don't have a problem with any of this so far.  All appear to be talented players.  With the large junior & senior classes it may be necessary to contiue the practice if more balanced classes are desired.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/17/2012 9:08:49 PM 
71 BOBCAT wrote:
This is the second transfer under JC, so far, 1 JC and 1-4yr school guy.
I'm watching this coaches moves carefully. We need 4 year guys not 2 years and gone.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/18/2012 7:18:12 AM 
I've never been a big fan of a ton of transfers on the team, but I like what JC is doing to try and replace Cooper, Offutt, Baltic, and Keely immediately rather than waiting for a core group to develop. These guy we're bringing in should make an instant impact so when those guys graduate next year we won't miss a beat.

Now, if this continues, I might get a little worried.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/18/2012 8:12:02 PM 
It's not just here, it is everywhere.  Record number of transfers throughout D-1  We need to get used to it and take advantage. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/19/2012 10:07:35 PM 
brucecuth wrote:
It's not just here, it is everywhere.  Record number of transfers throughout D-1  We need to get used to it and take advantage. 


GOnna say that is crap. Flat out.

We do not need to get used to it. Jeff Goodman's list gets bigger every year. Pandering to handlers, prima donnas, cast offs, underachievers and malcontents which make up the bulk of the list is really the way you think we need to proceed?

Building a team around itinerant ballers is the future you see?

Please.

Look at the recent history and success here. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ ) learned to use their skills wisely, conceding personal goals and skills in order to adapt to a single player who came into the system and destroyed the wise open offense and defensive scheme that had been put in place over the course of the previous year and up to the Marsahll game in late November 2009. Over a rocky early MAC season 4 year scholarship players became a support staff dishing assists, draining threes, setting screens, rebounding and faciltating one transfer player who had a rather remarkable month and a half. A real  tribute to those kids coaches and mentors who went through the process.

The next run came squarely on the shoulders of 4 year players who were freshmen in 2010 (DJ, Ivo, Reg and walk on Dmac) and added Kellogg, Taylor, Hall, Johnson and  transfers in Offutt and previously recruited by Ohio John SMith . ONce again backed by strong families and support systems.

JOhn Groce brought in families and built the program on the backs of 4 year players who were here and that he subsequently  brought in.... Everyone who has been on this ride and happy about it should acknowledge the foundation and basis of the success and where it lies.

The bottom line here is this success came on the backs of 4 year players with strong and supportive family structures.

Historically I have not been a fan of transfers having been close to hundreds of players, parents, handlers during the initial HS recruiting process and subsequent "shopping" of the athlete during the transfer process. I continuously advise kids and parents to find a place where they are going to love the school, get the 4 year degree in the program they want and NOT count on the coaching staff being the same as the day you started.

I think when a kid is being recruited he is looking at how he fits with the present players and then once he has signed is part of the recruiting process for subsequent recruits. When you start bringing in JC's there is no continuity in the program and the locker room constantly is in upheaval as guys have to get used to each other. For the life of me I can t think of a whole lot of sustainable programs that have a bulk of classes made up of transfers. I do agree that losing 4 players next year leaves a dearth of spots open and in this case may be a direction that is neccessary but I suspect that if this is the norm we will not look much like  or be as fan friendly and likeable as what we have seen the last 4 years.

Sorry for the rant but transferring is a pet peeve of mine and to say that we need to get used to it after seeing the success built on recruiting 4 year players with strong support systems recently I gotta disagree with conceding to an unacceptable  and generally unproven, unsupported wisdom.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/19/2012 11:09:49 PM 
For what it's worth Freshman transfers will essentially be 4 year players with one of those years obviously spent in street clothes.  Not a terrible thing.  I do absolutely agree the program has to be built on HS players, and having a strong support system certainly doesn't hurt but also doesn't guarantee a kid won't make a mistake.  There is no fool proof path to success. 

In regards to Setty, one recent article about his transfer quoted him as saying Ohio was his #1 choicce out of HS but it just didn't work out.  Maybe he would have been a Bobcat already if we didn't lose a scholarship because of people leaving the program in poor academic standing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/20/2012 12:00:48 AM 
OUs LONG Driver wrote:


In regards to Setty, one recent article about his transfer quoted him as saying Ohio was his #1 choicce out of HS but it just didn't work out.  Maybe he would have been a Bobcat already if we didn't lose a scholarship because of people leaving the program in poor academic standing.


I believe so...similar to Smith. I think we wanted Setty and then Nance Jr. but never had the scholly to give. Also, you gotta love a guy who turned down Miami twice.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/316760/3/SIUC-basketball...

And the Texas Tech transfer is also similar to Smith in that he was recruited by Christian out of high school. I also see our JUCO as a four-year type who didn't play D1 out of HS do to a religious commitment, not exactly your stereotypical JC player. But yeah, I see the hesitation. Sure.

I think JC was treading a fine line. He didn't want to upset the comraderie of a Sweet a16 team by bringing in a bunch of high school players, so the D-1 transfers are good because they HAVE to sit a year. He might have seen one weakness, a three-point shooter who could do what Freeman did, and signed him to play next year. Other than that, there should be no chemistry issues next year among the players. And you have a couple of solid prospects to learn the "culture."

That said, I believe what borna said. (All HS from here. I will worry bigtime if next year's class is JUCOs and D-I transfers.) But I do wonder why his previous post left out the name Armon Bassett. haha. jk.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/20/2012 9:25:01 AM 
Yeah, I agree with Borna's sentiments overall (although not including Armon in the list of crucial players to our 2010 start is selective)...But like he said, MOST of the transfer list is made up of the bad apples, not all...and I feel like we've brought some guys in who want to be with Ohio and Jim Christian, and their previous destination just didn't work out for reasonable reasons.  As others have said, another factor is the huge void of experience we are facing come fall 2013...and bringing in players with some experience (and a year practicing with the team) will help us be competitive in the 13-14 season.  But then again, I am just a biased Bobcat trying to look at it positively.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/20/2012 9:58:05 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:

Look at the recent history and success here. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ 



I usually agree with you, but that is crazy selective memory. Armon Bassett was the biggest reason we won the MAC tournament and beat Georgetown in 2010. Claiming otherwise is being naive. 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/20/2012 1:08:48 PM 
I'm not saying it wasn't a team effort, but KVK was my MVP.  I still wish we could've had KVK to play defense and rebound against Zeller in OUr most recent run.  If I am ever trying to teach a post player how to box out, I will show them films of KVK.  Best I've ever seen.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/20/2012 2:17:33 PM 
Borna and others are right about the advantages of emphasizing four year players in recruiting, and I fully expect that we'll see that emphasis in next season's recruiting.  Meanwhile, I don't have a problem with the signings so far.  We get Treg Setty for three years.  Willis got caught up in Gillispie's weirdness at Texas Tech and needed a place to land.  Wilkins has a great background and fills a roster need. 

Sometimes people transfer for legitimate reasons.  Sometimes they don't.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/22/2012 3:10:13 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:

Look at the recent history and success here. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ 



I usually agree with you, but that is crazy selective memory. Armon Bassett was the biggest reason we won the MAC tournament and beat Georgetown in 2010. Claiming otherwise is being naive. 



Really ? Reallllly? That is CRAZY SELECTIVE CUT AND PASTE     In no way did I not include ARMON. How can you read that passage with comprehension and not knwo that ARMON was the transfer player being referred to?   ..I orignally said

. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ ) learned to use their skills wisely, conceding personal goals and skills in order to adapt to a single player who came into the system and destroyed the wide open offense and defensive scheme that had been put in place over the course of the previous year and up to the Marsahll game in late November 2009. Over a rocky early MAC season 4 year scholarship players became a support staff dishing assists, draining threes, setting screens, rebounding and faciltating one transfer player who had a rather remarkable month and a half. A real  tribute to those kids coaches and mentors who went through the process.


By picking and quoting what you did you totally ignored and changed the entire context of what was being said. IN NO WAY did I exclude Bassett from the conversation. IN contrast. I said that the entire cadre of players who were here for four years molded their games to fit him and be complimentary to what he was able to get done. The only Naivete to this point has been the folk who actually never saw what took place away from the spotlight and how the core group of players adapted as total program players in order to augment what was going on. Without those guys changing from the wide open game we were playing scoring high averages through the frist part of the season to the style where , Devaughn got off the block and hit consistently baseline jumpers, KVK consistently hitting 12-17 foot shots and those 2 post players setting great screens while Coop drove the lane or deferred and kicked to Tommy who consistently kept a defender honest by burying 3's at a nation leading % or Armon to shoot or drive the middle would not have opened up for him to go to work. That group of players adapted. ANy naivete would be with those who neglect to see how the success actually came to be.  Anyone who read what you did and stopped where you did, not taking time to read the rest might respond as you did  .....which may be why this country is in the shape it is in. When we cherry pick we often fail to get the ideas others are trying to communicate or implicate a meaning which was not intended in the first place.

My entire point was to illustrate the volatility that comes with "adapting to" Jucos and Transfers. When you load up teams with those kids the program suffers. 4 year guys are the heart of things and for sustainability need to be at this level. Chemistry happens when like JG did you recruit great guys and include the players on the current roster in the recruiting process and maintain chemistry within the guys coming in and continuing the brand.

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Last Edited: 6/22/2012 3:20:22 PM by bornacatfan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/22/2012 5:10:29 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:

Look at the recent history and success here. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ 



I usually agree with you, but that is crazy selective memory. Armon Bassett was the biggest reason we won the MAC tournament and beat Georgetown in 2010. Claiming otherwise is being naive. 


You severely misquoted him.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/22/2012 5:24:22 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:

Look at the recent history and success here. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ 



I usually agree with you, but that is crazy selective memory. Armon Bassett was the biggest reason we won the MAC tournament and beat Georgetown in 2010. Claiming otherwise is being naive. 



Really ? Reallllly? That is CRAZY SELECTIVE CUT AND PASTE     In no way did I not include ARMON. How can you read that passage with comprehension and not knwo that ARMON was the transfer player being referred to?   ..I orignally said

. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ ) learned to use their skills wisely, conceding personal goals and skills in order to adapt to a single player who came into the system and destroyed the wide open offense and defensive scheme that had been put in place over the course of the previous year and up to the Marsahll game in late November 2009. Over a rocky early MAC season 4 year scholarship players became a support staff dishing assists, draining threes, setting screens, rebounding and faciltating one transfer player who had a rather remarkable month and a half. A real  tribute to those kids coaches and mentors who went through the process.


By picking and quoting what you did you totally ignored and changed the entire context of what was being said. IN NO WAY did I exclude Bassett from the conversation. IN contrast. I said that the entire cadre of players who were here for four years molded their games to fit him and be complimentary to what he was able to get done. The only Naivete to this point has been the folk who actually never saw what took place away from the spotlight and how the core group of players adapted as total program players in order to augment what was going on. Without those guys changing from the wide open game we were playing scoring high averages through the frist part of the season to the style where , Devaughn got off the block and hit consistently baseline jumpers, KVK consistently hitting 12-17 foot shots and those 2 post players setting great screens while Coop drove the lane or deferred and kicked to Tommy who consistently kept a defender honest by burying 3's at a nation leading % or Armon to shoot or drive the middle would not have opened up for him to go to work. That group of players adapted. ANy naivete would be with those who neglect to see how the success actually came to be.  Anyone who read what you did and stopped where you did, not taking time to read the rest might respond as you did  .....which may be why this country is in the shape it is in. When we cherry pick we often fail to get the ideas others are trying to communicate or implicate a meaning which was not intended in the first place.

My entire point was to illustrate the volatility that comes with "adapting to" Jucos and Transfers. When you load up teams with those kids the program suffers. 4 year guys are the heart of things and for sustainability need to be at this level. Chemistry happens when like JG did you recruit great guys and include the players on the current roster in the recruiting process and maintain chemistry within the guys coming in and continuing the brand.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/23/2012 11:28:10 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
.....which may be why this country is in the shape it is in. When we cherry pick we often fail to get the ideas others are trying to communicate or implicate a meaning which was not intended in the first place.  



You went over the deep end with this one. 

Yes I guess looking back it was a cherry-picking on my part. Sorry. Am I the New York Times? No. Take a step back from the ledge. 

The main point of your first post was that you don't think we should be filling up our team with transfer players. I believe my point about Bassett being our best player is still valid here.  

Walt and Jon Smith should also show you that there is no harm in having multiple transfers either.




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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/23/2012 7:53:15 PM 
That ain't cherry-picking.  The extremist, 100% my way, refusal to even consider other points of view is not helping this country.  Even one of the Repub highly elected officils (Jeb Bush??) stated recently that he would not 'outsource my responsibility' by blanket pledging to no-new/increased-taxes-no-matter what.

Facts = facts.  Opinion does not = facts.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/24/2012 9:59:57 PM 
Lord Wellington Fisherburn wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:

Look at the recent history and success here. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ 



I usually agree with you, but that is crazy selective memory. Armon Bassett was the biggest reason we won the MAC tournament and beat Georgetown in 2010. Claiming otherwise is being naive. 



Really ? Reallllly? That is CRAZY SELECTIVE CUT AND PASTE     In no way did I not include ARMON. How can you read that passage with comprehension and not knwo that ARMON was the transfer player being referred to?   ..I orignally said

. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ ) learned to use their skills wisely, conceding personal goals and skills in order to adapt to a single player who came into the system and destroyed the wide open offense and defensive scheme that had been put in place over the course of the previous year and up to the Marsahll game in late November 2009. Over a rocky early MAC season 4 year scholarship players became a support staff dishing assists, draining threes, setting screens, rebounding and faciltating one transfer player who had a rather remarkable month and a half. A real  tribute to those kids coaches and mentors who went through the process.


By picking and quoting what you did you totally ignored and changed the entire context of what was being said. IN NO WAY did I exclude Bassett from the conversation. IN contrast. I said that the entire cadre of players who were here for four years molded their games to fit him and be complimentary to what he was able to get done. The only Naivete to this point has been the folk who actually never saw what took place away from the spotlight and how the core group of players adapted as total program players in order to augment what was going on. Without those guys changing from the wide open game we were playing scoring high averages through the frist part of the season to the style where , Devaughn got off the block and hit consistently baseline jumpers, KVK consistently hitting 12-17 foot shots and those 2 post players setting great screens while Coop drove the lane or deferred and kicked to Tommy who consistently kept a defender honest by burying 3's at a nation leading % or Armon to shoot or drive the middle would not have opened up for him to go to work. That group of players adapted. ANy naivete would be with those who neglect to see how the success actually came to be.  Anyone who read what you did and stopped where you did, not taking time to read the rest might respond as you did  .....which may be why this country is in the shape it is in. When we cherry pick we often fail to get the ideas others are trying to communicate or implicate a meaning which was not intended in the first place.

My entire point was to illustrate the volatility that comes with "adapting to" Jucos and Transfers. When you load up teams with those kids the program suffers. 4 year guys are the heart of things and for sustainability need to be at this level. Chemistry happens when like JG did you recruit great guys and include the players on the current roster in the recruiting process and maintain chemistry within the guys coming in and continuing the brand.

.







Chill out bro


Borna should chill out because another poster can't comprehend what was posted? Geez, you seem as challenged as the other guy.   READ ... COMPREHEND.  Not rocket science.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/24/2012 10:10:33 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
.....which may be why this country is in the shape it is in. When we cherry pick we often fail to get the ideas others are trying to communicate or implicate a meaning which was not intended in the first place.  



You went over the deep end with this one. 

Yes I guess looking back it was a cherry-picking on my part. Sorry. Am I the New York Times? No. Take a step back from the ledge. 

The main point of your first post was that you don't think we should be filling up our team with transfer players. I believe my point about Bassett being our best player is still valid here.  

Walt and Jon Smith should also show you that there is no harm in having multiple transfers either.





When you're wrong, you're wrong. Admit it. You failed to read and digest what was in the post. Trying to continue to argue you merely dig a deeper hole. Bassett best player is debatable. Only 2 guys on the team had lower FG percentages than he did. And if you jack up the most shots on the team you're likely to have a decent chance of having the highest PPG average. I guess I measure a student athlete for what they do both on and off the court.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/24/2012 10:42:03 PM 
Severe thread hijack.....Treg Setty will be a decent player for the Cats.

If you disagree tell me why not?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/25/2012 8:22:03 AM 
I don't know who the best player was on this year's team or 2 years ago, but I can say with some confidence that we would not have won either in the MAC or NCAA tournys without the transfers both years. We seem to be taking advantage of the transfer situation quite well thank you. All the talk about just having 4 year guys is great, but it doesn't seem to be working at Ohio.We, like nearly everybody else, have our share of transfers out. If we could keep everybody, which wasn't possible under Groce, maybe we wouldn't need transfers to fill holes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Treg Setty
   Posted: 6/25/2012 8:38:31 AM 
Jerry86 wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Yes I guess looking back it was a cherry-picking on my part. Sorry. Am I the New York Times? No. Take a step back from the ledge. 


When you're wrong, you're wrong. Admit it. You failed to read and digest what was in the post. Trying to continue to argue you merely dig a deeper hole.


Pretty sure he admitted it, he just threw in that it seemed like an over-reaction.  This is kind of like when you wife goes absolutely ballistic over a sock or something, and even though she was right about the sock, you still fight back because she came at you like an angry ninja.


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