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Monroe Slavin
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The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/22/2012 2:58:37 AM

Ohio is a basketball school.

Ohio is a football school.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/22/2012 12:04:39 PM

The fact that our Spring Game thread is only two pages long confirms that Ohio is a basketball school first.

Although, the combined success of both teams shows that you can be both.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/22/2012 4:49:59 PM

This may be a wrong opinion. It certainly is one based upon curious criteria. The comparision might be 'what is the crowd at midnight madness'?

We here are the faithful. We tend to love all the O H I O sports. Might be better to gauge interest by attendance/interest of the less devoted: Number of first time posters here who tie more firmly to a given sport. Perhaps attendance (absolute number and % of capacity). Maybe success over the past handful of years and stability, leavened by the most recent results.

I vote both sports. And, all the others, too. WVB cannot be dismissed.

At any rate, the football summary by Arkley is terrific. Must read.

Last Edited: 4/22/2012 4:50:33 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/23/2012 12:21:25 PM

What is ugly, what is controversial and what continues in that link? Everyone is talking about the football team in the football section.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/23/2012 2:01:22 PM

Agreed. It didn't continue...it started, with this thread. I don't really understand why we have to continually debate this.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/23/2012 4:47:10 PM

It's a shame that we don't have a football board here where I could go if I wanted to talk about football.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/23/2012 7:06:13 PM

I think he was just trying to bring attention to the great reporting by Arkley and threw in the reference to the "battle" between fball and bball as a joke.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/23/2012 8:42:23 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

We here are the faithful. We tend to love all the O H I O sports. Might be better to gauge interest by attendance/interest of the less devoted: Number of first time posters here who tie more firmly to a given sport. Perhaps attendance (absolute number and % of capacity). Maybe success over the past handful of years and stability, leavened by the most recent results.

What I think we're seeing here is that OHIO has become the model small market program. That title was held by Miami. We've stolen their lunch and I don't see them getting it back. The old way was to make the campus pretty and suck up the best of the in-state athletes after O$U had its pick. The new way is to recruit nationally bring in transfers when needed and sell a multicultural campus. Recruit to philosophies that can win at a mid major in the each respective sport. Then throwing some distinctive programs on top like the Sports Management program and the Scrips school makes Ohio a destination. Its a formula and I don't know if any other MAC level athletic schools are capable of making the environment happen to recruit nationally even if they can get the best coaches in place.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 8:58:29 AM

Until we're eligible to win a national championship in football, we're a basketball school.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 12:07:40 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

[. Then throwing some distinctive programs on top like the Sports Management program and the Scrips school makes Ohio a destination. .

Are you implying that a lot of our athletes in either major or minor sports are committing to come here because of these programs?

I personally know several athletes who have gone through the business school and cluster.....

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 12:49:39 PM

Our business school is a good program, but I certainly wouldn't call it a destination program.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 3:28:05 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

[. Then throwing some distinctive programs on top like the Sports Management program and the Scrips school makes Ohio a destination. .

I guess what I'm implying is the mere fact tha Ohio is known for distinctive programs is a significant advantage not found at your typical MAC level school. In the recruiting brochures to see the impressive list of graduates from the sports management program rubs off on every prospective student athlete.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 6:25:27 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

[. Then throwing some distinctive programs on top like the Sports Management program and the Scrips school makes Ohio a destination. .

How about our world-class Edison Biotech Research Center (molecular biology program), our Honors Tutorial College, our expanding and very well-endowed College of Engineering, our world-world-renowned E. W. Scripps School of Journalism, and our expanding and increasingly research-oriented Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine? With the possible exception of UMass and the State University of New York at Buffalo, I dare say other MAC schools can't match up with that on the academic side. We are not Kent State, Akron or even BG!

Last Edited: 4/25/2012 10:23:22 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 6:42:49 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

[. Then throwing some distinctive programs on top like the Sports Management program and the Scrips school makes Ohio a destination. .

How about our world-class Edison Biotech Research Center (molecular biology program), our Honors Tutorial College, or expanding and very well-endowed College of Engineering, our world-world-renowned E. W. Scripps School of Journalism, and our expanding and increasingly research-oriented Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine? With the possible exception of UMass and the State University of New York at Buffalo, I dare say other MAC schools can't match up with that on the academic side. We are not Kent State, Akron or even BG!

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 6:48:46 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I'm sorry, I know we are supposed to muck them and what not, but are you really going to ignore the fact that Miami is ranked higher than us by basically every major publication?

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 10:18:17 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

I'm sorry, I know we are supposed to muck them and what not, but are you really going to ignore the fact that Miami is ranked higher than us by basically every major publication?

Yes, ignoring is appropriate -- not just because it's oxford preppy tech, but because those rankings basically have to do with undergraduate education. They rank such things as undergraduate student-teacher ratios, emphasis on undergraduate education, reputation as gauged by surveys of peer institutions, etc. If you de-emphasize graduate education (which Redchicken U. made a conscious effort to do several decades ago), you get points in those kinds of rankings. OHIO has a range of graduate programs and research programs that that glorified "public ivy" couldn't even dream of having. The point that Wes was making is that OHIO is academically not your typical MAC school. This is correct and I was giving some further support to that argument. As I said on the academic side probably Ohio, Buffalo and UMass are the cream of the crop.

Last Edited: 4/25/2012 10:33:43 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 11:08:41 PM

Wouldn't undergraduate programs constitute the main attractions for athletes? So I'm still not understanding how we can say we have more to offer athletes academically than Miami.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/25/2012 11:21:19 PM

We certainly offer at least as much. Fiami gets higher rankings because of its "third-cobber" image. I think of Fiami as the prep school in "The Dead Poet's Society." Stuffy, staid, stodgy. Robin Williams wouldn't fit in there as a prof, but would at Ohio. He was just as dedicated and skilled as the other teachers, but his style created problems. My profs at Ohio were dedicated and skilled with an interesting style.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/26/2012 10:32:20 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

[. Then throwing some distinctive programs on top like the Sports Management program and the Scrips school makes Ohio a destination. .

Understand what you are saying but I have never seen the recruiting brochure you are alluding to and I suspect most of us who have gone through the process have not either. Ohio does a very good job of getting parents and recruits with acedemics on their vists in the perceived major of the athlete being recruited. The business school has some major players that are absolute sports fans and can always be seen greeting recruits at tailgates and functions supporting the school when recruits are on campus. Having gone through many processes with many parents the first question I ask someone talking to me is" do they have your program?" It does no good to go through the process at IU if you are an engineering student....they just do not have the program. Perhaps the better comment on OHIO is that we have 250+ majors to pursue....and without being too crass I should say in my experience those academics you are alluding to are not ones that many athletes in money sports will be pursuing. One only needs to go through the majors of the players you can name and see what their feild of study is to figure that out....which is very difficult as OHIO unlike most schools on their official sites does not really have that as a integral part of their BIO.

I understand it is nit picking but the perception that an athlete is looking at schools from the perspective youare alluding to is not very prevalent during the process most parent/handler athletes are going through save for Womens Volleyball.

That said, I do think the athletes who pass through as student athletes in undergrad programs become very aware of Sports Ad graduate and Coaching programs in their tiime here and move toward those programs as they progress through their 4 years and aim for the next step. I can think of several female athletes and most recently Asown Sayles and a couple of football players who have taken that route.

Last Edited: 4/26/2012 11:00:44 AM by bornacatfan

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/26/2012 11:28:01 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

[. Then throwing some distinctive programs on top like the Sports Management program and the Scrips school makes Ohio a destination. .

Thanks for weighing in. Do you think students are only aware of there intended major or do you think they look at the fact that OHIO offers 250 majors and says well they have plenty of fall back options here?

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/26/2012 11:58:45 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Wouldn't undergraduate programs constitute the main attractions for athletes? So I'm still not understanding how we can say we have more to offer athletes academically than Miamwi.

One way to look at it is think of how Scrips floats the reputation for the entire communications school leading the was for a host of other majors loosely associated with it. In the same vein having OU-HCOM out front in medicine drives a host of other programs in the medical field like nursing and biomedical engineering. I said it while I was going to school but even more so now the science offerings at OHIO are primarily there to support the medical school and now that is true with the engineering college. Everything has gone the direction of medical as much of the federal dollars have rolled up medicine along community wellness under the same umbrella. With OU-HCOM expanding into the Columbus market to lead the way in producing primary care physicians along with 100 nurses a year graduating now from the main campus goes back to your Virginia Tech megabucks theory which says that a school producing more high income grade is better situated to support athletics. Ohio by producing increasesing number of professionals in the medical field is moving quickly in that direction.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/26/2012 3:11:37 PM

Uncle Wes wrote:

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Thanks for weighing in. Do you think students are only aware of there intended major or do you think they look at the fact that OHIO offers 250 majors and says well they have plenty of fall back options here?

I think that is the selling point here Wes.

YOu have a lot of majors and guys like Baltic and a few others are still;listed as undeclared onthe webbie but I suspect that under APR he has declared and the site is just not updated. As a player there are many that come in undeclared and having a greater number of options they can get into general studies then figure out what they are going to do without forsaking the playing time.

I do think that my experience at Ohio and over the last 30 years dealing with athletes in many unis and ireflecting on my own experience we go to school thinking we are interested in something and end up realizing we really want to end up in something entirely different. A major sellling point here is the abili8ty to have an entirely different path with 250 majors available.

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/27/2012 12:49:35 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Robin Williams wouldn't fit in there as a prof, but would at Ohio.

You could speed through a semester's worth of lectures in one afternoon on that amount of coke.

Last Edited: 4/27/2012 12:50:22 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)

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RE: The ugly controversy continues

Posted: 4/29/2012 10:30:08 PM

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