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james hall united
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next year's ranking

Posted: 4/9/2012 2:19:10 PM

Didn't see this posted anywhere. If I missed it sorry for the repeat.
Mike Miller at NBC sports has the bobcats in 'othersthe receiving votes' for his 2013 preseason poll!

Nash'Cat
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RE: next year's ranking

Posted: 4/9/2012 2:41:08 PM

Awesome, unfortunately though it seems that the powers-that-be at ESPN don't deem the Bobcats worthy of preseason votes.

[EDIT]: That's based on Andy Katz's preseason ranking. Also, I think it's a little early to worry about next season. Lets see what the off-season brings.

Last Edited: 4/9/2012 2:42:07 PM by Nash'Cat

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PTgrad
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RE: next year's ranking

Posted: 4/9/2012 3:58:23 PM

I was going to post something about this last week...but for some reason or another I got sidetracked....I guess because I do most of my BA reading while at work...go figure...work sidetracking me, I guess I have to get my priorities straight!!!!

Of all of the so called prognosticators, ESPN, CNNSI, and cbssports.com...no one has OHIO in any of the "preseason" top 25, and I even think the one from cbssports went all the way to the top 32. Not even a mention in the teams "just outside" of the top...

I was a little shocked.

Ohio69
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RE: next year's ranking

Posted: 4/9/2012 4:57:30 PM

PTgrad wrote:

I think us mid major types gotta peform for several years in order to get respect.

Honestly, I'm fine with no preseason ranking. Also, don't want any "it team" tags either.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

CATman
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RE: next year's ranking

Posted: 4/9/2012 5:31:01 PM

Ohio will have to earn their ranking because it is natural for "experts" to completely overrate big conference teams, especially in the pre-season.

A good test case is Murray State. A lot of people will argue "well they didn't have a sweet 16 run the year before". Sure but that doesn't really account for there just not being a ton of fluid spots in the rankings (early in the season).

MSU entered the top 25 at (10-0) or one third of the way in to their regular season. The ranking came after beating #20 Memphis in week 10, when there were only 9 or 10 undefeated teams left.

Until the big boys go in to conference play, there just isn't a large enough sample size to rank someone like Ohio over someone like, lets say Michigan (save an undefeated team). At that point in the season, Michigan's record is likely better (or at least equal) to Ohio's and they've probably played in something like the Maui Shootout, pre-season NIT, etc. and logged some nice RPI games. A good example is Illinois being (10-0) at that point last the season, a team that completely imploded and missed the NCAA's.

The hardest threshold for a mid-major to get past is simply 25. Once you're in the rankings, the likelihood you stay there increases dramatically. Awareness / name recognition (ala the Gonzaga, St. Mary's of the world) is the biggest uphill battle for teams like Ohio.

Ohio will certainly get a bounce from this past March and I don't doubt they will be talked about as the season approaches but they're not a traditional basketball power. They have to earn their ranking year to year because teams like Ohio don't have the "reload" option. There are going to be some larger school teams that are perceived to be better bets (based on incoming freshman, etc.), even with Ohio returning everyone. It is just the nature of the rankings.

Last Edited: 4/9/2012 5:33:17 PM by CATman

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: next year's ranking

Posted: 4/9/2012 10:58:08 PM

I understand that we're up against media bias in favor of the bigs. And we have a new coach. But there must be widespread ignorance of the fact that we return everyone.

Essentially, how could we not be in the top 25 for next year with everyone coming back and we finished in this year?

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RE: next year's ranking

Posted: 4/9/2012 11:42:15 PM

Monroe, I think the new coach is probably a killer here. I think if Groce had stayed, you'd have at least a few of these bandwagon experts taking a chance and giving us some top 25 luv for next year. With a new coach in the mix, I think it just takes some of the Ohio magic dust out of their eyes. A great start next year, with a marquee win or two, and I think that magic dust will be back.

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