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JSF
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Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:53:01 PM

...can anyone think of a coach who left a mid-major conference for a bigger one, failed there, and came back to the mid-majors successfully?

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/1/2012 11:57:08 PM

Might be a little early, but Greg McDermott comes to mind.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:00:13 AM

JSF wrote:

...can anyone think of a coach who left a mid-major conference for a bigger one, failed there, and came back to the mid-majors successfully?

Rick Majerus?

Bobby Cremins? (No NCAA's but a lot of wins at Charleston)

Ray McCallum?

Steve Alford?

Last Edited: 4/2/2012 12:03:33 AM by Mike Coleman

Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:00:47 AM

Steve Fisher did this in a roundabout, bizarre way.

Except he was never a head coach at Western Michigan. And he was ousted because of a renegade program at Michigan.

Last Edited: 4/2/2012 12:01:26 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:02:28 AM

Dana Altman only spent 1 year at Marshall before heading to K.State. And while I wouldn't call him a complete failure in Manhattan 68-54 & 19-37. He returned to much more sucess at Creighton 327-126, 178-107.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:03:57 AM

JSF wrote:

...can anyone think of a coach who left a mid-major conference for a bigger one, failed there, and came back to the mid-majors successfully?

Does Steve Fisher count?

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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:04:45 AM

KC Bobcat wrote:

Yes. And he hasn't left. Altman and Alford are the blueprints, IMO.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:06:27 AM

Fisher never left a mid-major HC. His first head coaching job was Michigan.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:07:52 AM

Does Steve Fisher count?

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:10:46 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

KC Bobcat wrote:

Yes. And he hasn't left. Altman and Alford are the blueprints, IMO.

Perhaps you meant Alford, but Altman did leave. He went to Oregon, then beat his former team (and McDermott) in the CBI finals.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:13:43 AM

yes, that's what I meant. I have too many windows open.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:14:59 AM

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:16:49 AM

I know they got the boot, but I consider Majerus, Cremins and Hewitt successes at their major program jobs.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:18:30 AM

See that. As was Larry hehe Eustachy

Last Edited: 4/2/2012 12:19:06 AM by Mike Coleman

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:20:58 AM

OK, so this is more common than I thought. Good.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:26:14 AM

How about coaches that left a successful midmajor program for a struggling bigger conference team, failed and then returned to a midmajor and failed again?

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:30:13 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

How about coaches that left a successful midmajor program for a struggling bigger conference team, failed and then returned to a midmajor and failed again?

Louis Orr

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:32:59 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

How about coaches that left a successful midmajor program for a struggling bigger conference team, failed and then returned to a midmajor and failed again?

Danny Nee?

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:33:55 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Mike Coleman wrote:

How about coaches that left a successful midmajor program for a struggling bigger conference team, failed and then returned to a midmajor and failed again?

Louis Orr

This is worst-case scenario of the Christian hiring, in my opinion. If what Ohio hires turns out to be a Louis Orr -- a guy who wins just enough that you can't fire him but not enough to make the program exciting.

I want 25 wins a season or a complete flameout by Christian. If he wins 18-20 wins per season, you're stuck in no-man's land.

Hopefully the $600k salary forces Schaus to demand more than just "pretty good" out of Christian.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:37:20 AM

TheRealMikeDrake wrote:

Mike Coleman wrote:

How about coaches that left a successful midmajor program for a struggling bigger conference team, failed and then returned to a midmajor and failed again?

Danny Nee?

If you call being the winningest coach ever at a school and being inducted into their Hall of Fame failure, yep, I see that.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:38:51 AM

Brian Smith wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Mike Coleman wrote:

How about coaches that left a successful midmajor program for a struggling bigger conference team, failed and then returned to a midmajor and failed again?

Louis Orr

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:40:58 AM

Ha, whoops, he did do well at Nebraska. My fault. Although local lore was he ran his combine at all hours of the night.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:47:44 AM

Amaker may fit this description if you consider Seton Hall - Michigan - Harvard. The problem being Seton Hall's conference affiliation.

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 12:53:13 AM

TheRealMikeDrake wrote:

Although local lore was he ran his combine at all hours of the night.

(laughing)

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RE: Other Than Gary Waters...

Posted: 4/2/2012 5:19:50 PM

Mike Coleman wrote:

Fisher never left a mid-major HC. His first head coaching job was Michigan.

Nice.

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