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bornacatfan
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THe system

Posted: 3/26/2012 10:25:08 PM

This kind of deserves it s own thread.

When Groce came in I had the opportunity to talk to him in the Convo his first day here. He described his system and talked about how it works.

He got Mike and Rome to buy in as captains and Asown Tommy Devo and KVK followed and set the tone supporting his recruits and hosting guys on campus along with bringing Groce's vision of toughness to the table.

Now that system is in place and the guys he recruited are all here. Holtmann was an integral part of the build and his ties to Patterson along with John are pretty significant.

A lot of what JG has implemented is taken from Patterson in the way he organizes practices, stresses competition in EVERYTHING from drills, shooting, scrimmages with a clear winner and loser who has to pay a price. His system is in place with the players he has selected to play it.

The next coach, as I am sure our AD knows, will bring his own system. Hopefully, he will tweak our current system and be of the same philosophical school of thought. This system works with Bassett, Cooper, Taylor in the drivers seat. Shooters on the fringes, bigs that run rim to rim like Baltic and Devo and can step out and hit the 12 to 18 footer consistently. Having one or 2 guys who can slash like Coleman, TJ, Walt or shoot behind the arc takes advantage of personnel who are :"Mid Major Gets". We are not going to get hi major players as a mid so we have to have a system that takes advantage of what we have and creates the mismatches that lets us compete.

THe defensive end and connectedness is imperative as that is where we hand our hat to create opportunities. Toughness starts with JG s mindset and needs to be reflected in the next hire.

The system is fully evolved and in place. IMHO it is what got us here.....it is who we are now and like Butler it needs to propogate itself and recruit not only players who can play it but a coach who can continue it. Their struggle this year is because they did not have the outside shooter they normally rely on ....I hope we can replicate like Butler did when JG left ..under Matta.he recrutied the 2003 personnel that put Butler deep in the tourney....Hope the guy who fills his shoes is as smart and our AD keeps his ears and eyes open with the intent to keep it going in the present direction...

But then.... I think he will still be here next year to finish what he started.....and can start really grooming a successor.

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/26/2012 10:48:40 PM

I may be wrong and have no facts to back up what I think. But, I think Coach stays one more year, too. The system is the reason I am calm about our next head coach because I think it will be someone from the same mold. The system works as long as everyone buys in. If/when he moves on to the big time job he clearly has earned, I think we get Holtmann, Boals or Dustin as our next leader. And I'm OK with that.

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/26/2012 11:04:02 PM

Obviously this writer thinks Illinois has NO System

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0327-haugh-illinois-chicago--20120327,0,642550.column

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/26/2012 11:31:22 PM

Good thread. Very good.

bornacatfan
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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/26/2012 11:31:23 PM

I dont think the AD and Prez have anything to do with the system on the floor.

Chicken George wrote:

Obviously this writer thinks Illinois has NO System

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0327-haugh-illinois-chicago--20120327,0,642550.column

BTW the incoming prez at Illinois has only a 2 year contract

Last Edited: 3/26/2012 11:33:02 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/27/2012 9:30:01 AM

"Consider: Smart and Stevens, two midmajor coaches, turned down a $21 million job everyone now can stop referring to as great for the comforts of home. Two 35-year-old fathers passed up generational wealth and an opportunity to coach in America's best basketball conference for … stability Illinois couldn't offer?"

I wondered about this myself as it relates to compensation. If things don't work out at Illinois, in two years John could be out - either because of the team's performance, or because the new President brings in a new AD (Mike Thomas, really?) who wants to form his own basketball coaching staff. So yeah, the big $$$ might be there initially, but there are two smart coaches that have shot down this opportunity as well. Which is where I have asked, if we can get John in a long term deal that provides him long term stability and incentive laden deals that could get him up to a more elite salary level, how could we not have a more desirable situation at least in the short term of the next 2-3 years? The Illini situation is not one that a large, large number of guys have found appealing. On the other hand, his situation at Ohio is very strong from his perspective right now. He has a great returning cast for next year, and a good one for the year after that. I guess I feel like he has positioned himself to be like Brad Stevens or Mark Few in that he can stay here for a long, long time. The same stability can't be said of most "major" programs.

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/27/2012 9:42:51 AM

Perhaps Groce isn't our Stevens, Few or Smart. Maybe he's our Matta, Monson or Grant.

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/27/2012 9:50:57 AM

Bornacatfan, great thread and topic! IF Coach Groce leaves, who do you see as the next coach (or who would you like to see) that embodies the philosophies that Groce espouses?

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/27/2012 10:44:35 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

Perhaps Groce isn't our Stevens, Few or Smart. Maybe he's our Matta, Monson or Grant.

Perhaps you're right. I've always hoped this would be the moment when we had a head coach for 15 years or something like that. I've felt that we're so close to getting to a point where, with John, we can establish OUr program as THE program in the conference, and become what Xavier is to the A-10, Zags, Butler...you get the idea. I just don't want to see that evolution erode after just one great year.

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/27/2012 9:15:06 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Bornacatfan, great thread and topic! IF Coach Groce leaves, who do you see as the next coach (or who would you like to see) that embodies the philosophies that Groce espouses?

Yes - let's get back on topic. Who can keep this mojo going?

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/28/2012 8:53:46 AM

At this point it is better for "The System" to have Coach Groce leave already. This will give the next hire an experienced team that can make some noise and help future recruiting. The next hire is key, I think it has to be somebody in the same mold as Coach Groce and runs similar style - I don't want the veteran players learning a whole new system.

bornacatfan
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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/28/2012 9:04:04 AM

Ahhhhh I dont think so.

I have put my likes in other threads but Boals. Lickliter, Hotmann are all familiar withthe system and have their own tweaks and approaches. THere are quite a few others and I say that they are all only gonna be here for a few years and move on......that is how most successful programs work.

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/28/2012 1:51:42 PM

Now Lickliter could be a very interesting candidate. But, how do we explain the Iowa failure? He's of that age (mid 50s) where he could just stick here for a long time, no?

Last Edited: 3/28/2012 1:53:44 PM by Ohio69

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bornacatfan
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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/28/2012 8:54:09 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

Now Lickliter could be a very interesting candidate. But, how do we explain the Iowa failure? He's of that age (mid 50s) where he could just stick here for a long time, no?

Same way you explain Alford failing after he did well at Manchester then sms. Iowa supports football first. There odd a long story I heard from Sam Alford but basketball comes third in Iowa behind football and wrestling. The Jhawk eye band is not far behind

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RE: THe system

Posted: 3/28/2012 10:00:34 PM

Lickliter doesn't excite me.

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