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sargentfan
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  Message Not Read  The Good and the Bad
   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:18:23 PM 
We got lucky to see DJ playing good for most of this run, but this is where the bad shows up.  Unable to hit shots and not being smart enough to feed Offut and Kellogg more when they were the hot hands.  I mean he still is the heart of the team and we will usually go with his play, but I think in this game he could have changed his strategy for the betterment of the team.  Just kind of disappointing when we were so close to pulling it out and yes I understand if he hits the shot at the end of regulation I wouldn't be complaining, but he didn't and here we are.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Good and the Bad
   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:21:50 PM 
Live by DJ, die by DJ. Cant complain we wouldnt be here without him. We'd be playing @ Mercer in the CIT.
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MFRONE
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Good and the Bad
   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:29:17 PM 
There was no bad. Ohio exceeded any expectations I ever had when I set foot in Athens. But after seeing what they were capable of on the national scene it made me proud. Yes I was mad when it was over, but looking at the big picture couldn't be happier with the team. We just witnessed something special and it something I never thought I would experience.
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Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Good and the Bad
   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:35:44 PM 
sargentfan wrote:
We got lucky to see DJ playing good for most of this run, but this is where the bad shows up.  Unable to hit shots and not being smart enough to feed Offut and Kellogg more when they were the hot hands.  I mean he still is the heart of the team and we will usually go with his play, but I think in this game he could have changed his strategy for the betterment of the team.  Just kind of disappointing when we were so close to pulling it out and yes I understand if he hits the shot at the end of regulation I wouldn't be complaining, but he didn't and here we are.


Are you kidding?  Ultimately we lost because UNC dominated everything within 15 feet of the basket.  Like one of the commentators said after the game, Ohio did better w/ shooting 3s than 2s.  How many shots within 3 feet of the basket did we either miss or were blocked?  A dozen?  While Ohio clearly showed A LOT more heart than UNC, at the end of the day it was painfully obvious to me that UNC just had more talent.  No shame in that.  
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BuddyLee
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   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:41:34 PM 
Just playing well enough to have a shot at the end was more than good enough for me.  This game could have gone down the tank based on how we were playing in the fist half, but every one of our guys stayed tough and fought their hearts out.   You just can't ask for much more than that.  Trust me our players and coaches feel way worse than any of us do so please show them the support they deserve.
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Good and the Bad
   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:49:34 PM 
I guess I am the only person who thinks the officiating was horrible.  It was.  We did not play great on whole and neither did NC.  The guys with the whistles in their back pockets were MVPs.

Note: I love this team.  I am not disparaging this team.  What an amazing season.  I love all those guys and coach.  But I am not content.  That was ripped from us. 
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Bhugh24
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   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:53:02 PM 
+1 to everyone but Seargent...

That was a great effort by everyone including Cooper. Everyone had a few plays they wish they hadn't - Smith turned and put the ball between the rim and backboard when he was wide open.

I take Cooper and this team and coaches every day of the week and twice on Sunday against anyone else in the country.

A team  that is fun to watch and that we can be proud of.
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Mr. Mo Jo Risin
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   Posted: 3/23/2012 10:58:13 PM 
PalmerFest wrote:
I guess I am the only person who thinks the officiating was horrible.  It was.  We did not play great on whole and neither did NC.  The guys with the whistles in their back pockets were MVPs.

Note: I love this team.  I am not disparaging this team.  What an amazing season.  I love all those guys and coach.  But I am not content.  That was ripped from us. 


College basketball officiating is so bad that it is just assumed bad before the game even starts. No one even notices or bothers to complain anymore.

I was watching a Big Ten game this year and Dan Dakich said of a Ted Valentine call, "That's just Ted reminding everyone in the arena that he's still out there and in control."

Later, in the same game, the OSU coaching staff (Boals especially) enthusiastically ran onto the floor during a timeout to encourage the team. Valentine ran over and warned the bench. Dakich said "It's time for the commissioner to crack down on the theatrics from officials. It's ridiculous."

What I am getting at - college basketball referees control games and appear to love the spotlight and the theatrics. It's really terrible.
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whocaresgobobcats
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   Posted: 3/23/2012 11:00:46 PM 
PalmerFest wrote:
I guess I am the only person who thinks the officiating was horrible.  It was.  We did not play great on whole and neither did NC.  The guys with the whistles in their back pockets were MVPs.

Note: I love this team.  I am not disparaging this team.  What an amazing season.  I love all those guys and coach.  But I am not content.  That was ripped from us. 


We did not get fouls called because we did not attack the rim like they did. Aggressive teams have more fouls called for them on offense. We were to afraid of their shot blockers. The refs were okay.
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sargentfan
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   Posted: 3/23/2012 11:01:21 PM 
LOL you guys are naive, in the games where Cooper played bad and we lost there really wasn't anyone else stepping up.  In this game we had guys that were stepping up and deserved to be fed the ball until UNC took it away.  I am no way saying DJ isn't our best player or saying that we should get rid of him.  I am just saying in this case stepping up his game meant understanding the game and not trying to be the hero himself for once.
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Bhugh24
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   Posted: 3/23/2012 11:06:49 PM 
sargentfan wrote:
LOL you guys are naive, in the games where Cooper played bad and we lost there really wasn't anyone else stepping up.  In this game we had guys that were stepping up and deserved to be fed the ball until UNC took it away.  I am no way saying DJ isn't our best player or saying that we should get rid of him.  I am just saying in this case stepping up his game meant understanding the game and not trying to be the hero himself for once.


LOL you are so naive.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

I watched all the games this year, and DJ was not trying to be a hero. He had 6 assists and would have had at least 10 if the bigs didn't miss lay-ups.

He was feeding guys all game. Some made shots and some didn't.

He took good shots in the flow of the game, they didn't fall.

Ivo had shots that didn't fall all game.

Reggie and Smith provided no offense.

Nick can only get a shot when someone else gives him the ball.

TJ Hall missed shots, especially in overtime.
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Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Good and the Bad
   Posted: 3/23/2012 11:25:33 PM 
And let's give the #1 seed a little credit; I thought UNC played great interior defense.  
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Good and the Bad
   Posted: 3/23/2012 11:45:14 PM 
We played a GREAT GAME tonight. Refs or no refs. Friendly rims or unfriendly rims.

I just say the Zeller/WIlliams post-game on-court post-game interview replayed at the kansas/NCState half. Roy williams was RELIEVED to have beaten us. Re-read that. Roy Williams and his Tar Heels was relieved to have beaten the OHIO UNIVERSITY BOBCATS.
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   Posted: 3/24/2012 12:07:54 AM 
Was this DJ's greatest game?  No.  Would this team be in the sweet 16 without DJ?  Hell no!  DJ didn't take a bunch of ill advised shots tonight.  He was obviously the Tar Heels center of attention, so you have to give them some credit.  His shot wasn't falling tonight, but otherwise he had a good game.  If he puts on another 10 Pounds and improves on his finishing in the lane, watch out.  He will be one of the top point guards in the Country.  Thanks DJ for a great year!
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oubobcatjohn
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   Posted: 3/24/2012 12:09:04 AM 
Bobcats left everything on the floor and they fought to get back in it and had a chance to win it in the final  seconds of regulation. This team was physically and emotionally spent after regulation. They gave it there all. Cooper and the guys spent everything they had on defense and at the end it was the size difference of Carolina that was the difference. We didn't have many options inside against that future NBA frontline. Smith, Keely, Hall and Baltic gave it all they had inside against the #1 rebounding team in the country.  Our defense was great and it was UNC's size that gave them the second chances not a lack of effort from Ohio.  There is a reason Kentucky, North Carolina, Ohio State and Kansas are playing still and that is their vast superior size and depth on the frontline. There are only a handfull of teams that have that. Cooper, Offutt, Kellogg, Baltic, Keely, Smith, Johnson, Hall and Taylor showed everyone how strong a nine man rotation we got during this tournament. They are all coming back and will make the Bobcats a stronger  tournament team next year,  
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   Posted: 3/24/2012 1:14:32 AM 
Yea we couldn't make shots in the first half. ESPECIALLY the 1 footers. that hurt pretty bad. BUT WE COULDN'T REBOUND! They out rebounded us by 30!! That is horrible. Zeller had 22 rebounds and we totaled 26. I know. The kid is a stud down low. But they got 17 second chances during the game. At one point we gave up 3 rebounds in one possession to them. Don't get me wrong, we played with emotion and we played %110. But in my opinion, we lost the game. Yea Offutt makes the last free throw and who knows, we may be 1 of 8 teams left. But when you give a #1 seed 30 more rebounds, expect to lose. This is coming from a guy that had all of the confidence in the world of winning this game. I think Kentucky would have been the only team that scared me. The refs did make some questionable calls. But it wasn't like Louisville. This game is way more disappointing in my book. We didn't execute when they put the shots up. And during the season, Groce made great second half adjustments that really got us going. And I wasn't feeling it this game. We improved our shooting by a lot. But the rebounding didn't. And in the end, that ultimately killed us.  

I hate to rip on us on our last game of the season. We stayed with it throughout the night. But you gotta be good at every aspect of the game come tourney time. I'm proud of the Bobcats tonight. But I am far from satisfied. 
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   Posted: 3/24/2012 1:22:46 AM 
Didn't quite read the post before mine. But yes, UNC being one of the top rebounding teams in the country, hurt us. I'm not taking any credit away from them. They did have the size advantage. But I don't believe that they are 30!! rebounds better than us. 
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bobcatinmichigan
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   Posted: 3/24/2012 8:05:10 AM 
Si.com had a good postgame read saying that when DI takes >17 shots, the team is 1-5. Clearly, there were some questionable shots, even for DJ. I'm not complaining though. He took us on a hellavu ride.
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   Posted: 3/24/2012 8:41:30 AM 
Bhugh24 wrote:

LOL you are so naive.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

I watched all the games this year, and DJ was not trying to be a hero. He had 6 assists and would have had at least 10 if the bigs didn't miss lay-ups.

He was feeding guys all game. Some made shots and some didn't.

He took good shots in the flow of the game, they didn't fall.

Ivo had shots that didn't fall all game.

Reggie and Smith provided no offense.

Nick can only get a shot when someone else gives him the ball.

TJ Hall missed shots, especially in overtime.


Agreed
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OhioCatFan
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   Posted: 3/24/2012 9:37:33 AM 
It's the morning after and this game still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  So many "if, only" scenarios that keep running through my mind.  If DJ pulls up and doesn't go for the layup that got blocked in the final minute.   If Walt makes the free throw to put us ahead by one and we make the stop like we did.  Then we are coming up the court not needing a shot to win but just to run clock and hang on to the ball.  We'd probably then be going to free throw line with the chance to go up by three.   All sorts of "what-ifs" that cloud my mind.  I'll get over it a in few days, but these "might have beens" haunt me.  I will also say I agree with PF that the officials at times had a strange case of "stuck whistle" -- especially on at least two blocked layups where there was an awful lot to lower body contact that wasn't called.  In one case the UNC guy was literally resting on the back of our player -- a classic over the back if there ever was one.   There there's the eye-punch that DJ received.  Kind of thought punching an opposing player in the eye was a foul, inadvertent as it may  have been.   

Overall, I love this team --- everyone one of them.  They played their hearts out and for that I'm extremely proud.  And, we showed that state university of Michigan in Ann Arbor who the REAL OHIO is.  That was priceless.  As soon as I get home I'm going to go the College Bookstore and buy one of those Michigone T shirts.  

I'm willing to do my small share to donate to the "Keep Groce" fund.  Where do I send my money?

Last Edited: 3/24/2012 9:42:11 AM by OhioCatFan

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Monroe Slavin
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   Posted: 3/26/2012 2:04:48 AM 
Glad that finally pointed out the obvious.  They keyed on Cooper.  Let's put it this way.  You're the coach of N.C.  What is going to be the emphasis of your defense?  Stopping Cooper.

I believe that NC's advantage was about four inches per player.  That's very hard to overcome.  But I was not that impressed with their front line.  Maybe I'll be fooled.  But I didn't see any particular NBA talent there.  Maybe some guys will play in the league.  But I can't imagine any of them being an important player.  I saw Arizona's Derrick Williams live last year (as I did NC on Friday).  In four minutes you knew that Williams is a monster.  NC's bigs--nice college players but I don't see much NBA.

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