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   Posted: 3/11/2022 10:06:43 PM 
As much as all think we will just run it back as a 4 or better seed, think we will be in for some growing pains. The portal might take some who we expect and some we don't. I tend to not depend on incoming freshmen for anything, since they are 18 year old's playing against 20-22 year old's. I think of this class as the Cooper, Keely, Baltic class that will need to play and figure it out. Obviously, portal allows us to add some experience, but think we should just bring these kids in and deal with the growing pains. I hope we see a Sears, Wilson, Brown, start to things next year. You add Clayton and Ezumah to that mix. Gotta see where Towns, Adelodun, Granger, and Towns fit. I just don't know where Roderick fits after watching this season. Minus BVP, we are at 13 scholarships, so will be interesting if/when some open and what direction we go. I just think it might be a year we play some kids and get the growing pains out of the way and make some roster decisions.
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 10:25:22 PM 
Last freshman to make an impact? Probably Cooper and before that I'd say Tillman or Leon. Better said, none of our recent coaches have cultivated any incoming freshman so why should we think this incoming class will be any different? As long as we have an 8 man rotation where the 8th guy gets 4 min/game we'll ensure ourselves a lot of talk come February about being tired and looking to the bench to provide a rest for our overworked starters.
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 10:28:33 PM 
I truly think that Frazier will help tremendously next year moving forward in the guard position.
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 10:50:20 PM 
Bobcatfan35 wrote:
I truly think that Frazier will help tremendously next year moving forward in the guard position.


Maybe so. In fact, if he was held back this year because he had just joined the team (not saying that’s the case) then that’s a shame. I understand the team chemistry aspect, “paying your dues”, etc., and what goes with that, but my answer to the team, as coach, would be if you don’t like it play better and make more shots. Just as an observation though I do think Luke needs to put on 10-15 lbs of good weight.
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 11:06:34 PM 
I don’t generally agree with game announcers, but one of the guys on tonight’s CBS Sports Network telecast made an interesting observation. He said that during our run that Tommy was playing point and Sears was more an off-guard. He said that that was a key to our better performance in that stretch. From my own observations in other games, I think it’s true that Sears is a better shooting guard than point guard. Therefore, I think we need to recruit (probably via transfer) a seasoned PG and let Sears go back to playing a position similar to what he did last year with Jason Preston. We won’t get a distributor as good as JP, but we can possibly get one on par with Tommy. At any rate, those are my thoughts. You guys with higher basketball IQs can tear it apart, I’m sure. Go at it!

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   Posted: 3/11/2022 11:17:05 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I don’t generally agree with game announcers, but one of the guys on tonight’s CBS Sports Network telecast made an interesting observation. He said that during our run that Tommy was playing point and Sears was more an off-guard. He said that that was a key to our better performance in that stretch. From my own observations in other games, I think it’s true that Sears is a better shooting guard than point guard. Therefore, I think we need to recruit (probably via transfer) a seasoned PG and let Sears go back to playing a position similar to what he did last year with Jason Preston. We won’t get a distributor as good as JP, but we can possibly get one on par with Tommy. At any rate, those are my thoughts. You guys with higher basketball IQs can tear it apart, I’m sure. Go at it!


OCF, I’ve reached the same conclusion.
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 11:20:48 PM 
I totally agree. I just don’t see Frazier joining the team to be a walk on. He was a top recruit out of high school and from what I’ve seen can really play. Even towards the end of some out of reach games he has been put in over scholarship guys. Not sure but that looks like a sign to me. Really hoping for him to pan out here at Ohio.
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 11:30:48 PM 
Bobcatfan35 wrote:
I totally agree. I just don’t see Frazier joining the team to be a walk on. He was a top recruit out of high school and from what I’ve seen can really play. Even towards the end of some out of reach games he has been put in over scholarship guys. Not sure but that looks like a sign to me. Really hoping for him to pan out here at Ohio.


Maybe I don't know the backstory, but Frazier has looked pretty pedestrian to me. Am I wrong?
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 11:44:05 PM 
lovebobcat wrote:
Bobcatfan35 wrote:
I totally agree. I just don’t see Frazier joining the team to be a walk on. He was a top recruit out of high school and from what I’ve seen can really play. Even towards the end of some out of reach games he has been put in over scholarship guys. Not sure but that looks like a sign to me. Really hoping for him to pan out here at Ohio.


Maybe I don't know the backstory, but Frazier has looked pretty pedestrian to me. Am I wrong?


I don’t think anyone can say one way or the other. There hasn’t been enough to see. I remember he came into one game and hit a sweet looking jumper or two and then I thought he did look “pedestrian” another time. Not fair to say one way or the other IMO.
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   Posted: 3/11/2022 11:47:30 PM 
Accoring to ESPN stats, Granger played mop up minutes in 3 games. That doesn't look much like he has a future in Ohio basketball. Ohio Wesleyan maybe.

The last time Towns played meaningful minutes was like February 1st. For whatever that is worth. I won't comment further so I don't get some sort of misplaced blame for his lack of playing time.
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 12:33:05 AM 
I don’t do these but let’s take a “too early” stab at a starting 5 and bench.

5: DW
4: Clayton or *BVP*
3: BRod
2: Miles
1: Mark
Bench: (in order)
AJ Brown at the 2
Sam at the 3 or 4 (if he stays)
IJ at 5
Elmore at 1 or 2
Hadaway at 4 (kinda depends on what BVP does)
Olumide at the 2 or 3
Frazier
Sheldon
Granger (if he stays)
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 12:41:25 AM 
Cbus Convo wrote:
Last freshman to make an impact? Probably Cooper and before that I'd say Tillman or Leon.


Have you watched Ohio basketball since Cooper left?

Ryan Taylor
Jordan Dartis
Gavin Block
Jason Carter
BVP
Lunden McDay
Ben Roderick
Mark Sears

All these guys made good to significant impacts in their first years. DJ was an all timer. We need to stop acting like that comes around every season. It doesn't. Freshmen superstars are few and far between for a program like ours.

Last Edited: 3/12/2022 12:41:56 AM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 12:50:20 AM 
greencat wrote:
Accoring to ESPN stats, Granger played mop up minutes in 3 games. That doesn't look much like he has a future in Ohio basketball. Ohio Wesleyan maybe.

The last time Towns played meaningful minutes was like February 1st. For whatever that is worth. I won't comment further so I don't get some sort of misplaced blame for his lack of playing time.


It's been reiterated several times that Towns suffered a head injury during the Toledo game and they kept him out of playing for the few weeks after. Not sure why it continued through tournament time, but there's at least some coorelation.
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 1:37:27 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I don’t generally agree with game announcers, but one of the guys on tonight’s CBS Sports Network telecast made an interesting observation. He said that during our run that Tommy was playing point and Sears was more an off-guard. He said that that was a key to our better performance in that stretch. From my own observations in other games, I think it’s true that Sears is a better shooting guard than point guard. Therefore, I think we need to recruit (probably via transfer) a seasoned PG and let Sears go back to playing a position similar to what he did last year with Jason Preston. We won’t get a distributor as good as JP, but we can possibly get one on par with Tommy. At any rate, those are my thoughts. You guys with higher basketball IQs can tear it apart, I’m sure. Go at it!


I'm just gonna put this here as a quote from the CMU game thread back on Feb 19th.

GraffZ06 wrote:
Victory wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
Urban Bobcat wrote:
Mark Sears is going to have 25 to 30 points to keep our winning streak against crappy teams alive!!!



Yes he likely will. Call me when he does something of significance to a team in the top 100. I'll be waiting.


He scored 27 against Belmont.


Belmont is indeed a top 100 team. Though they're certainly not muttered in the same breath as a top team. Good mid major? Certainly. They didn't even win the OVC and make the tourney last year though.

The biggest reason I don't necessarily count Belmont in this group for Sears is - they only have 1 guy in their rotation over 6'6, and only 1 guy with 20 or more blocks (both Muszynski at 6'11 with 50 blocks).

Everybody knows at this point that Sears problem is against good/elite teams - and the main reason for that is they have tall, long, athletic bigs who can protect the rim in the paint and he has no idea what/how to deal with that. And he won't until he figures out a floater like Preston or a foul line pull-up jumper (which might be more his style considering he's such a prolific FT shooter).

The other problem is Sears is NOT a natural point guard. He might be in size at 6'1 and quickness (for sure) and even ball handling. But he is a pure shoot-first, scoring guard and NOT a facilitator of the offense or great passer/distributor.

I mean he currently has a 105:86 assist to turnover ratio. That's putrid for a PG. While his 105 assists leads the team, it's only 3.9 ast/gm and BVP is a close second with 83 assists. I also don't think BRod or many of our other shooters have been nearly as effective shooting the ball and PART OF IT is likely due to the fact that Sears isn't as good at finding them when they're open or have a mismatch, getting them the ball in rhythm, in the pocket and at their spots, like Preston was. Part of that is just natural because he's looking to score himself first. If he were 6'4 or 6'5 (shoot maybe even 6'3) I'd love to slide Mark over to the off-guard position - but alas he's not.

If Sears ever figures out the A:TO and facilitator thing combined with either a floater or pull-up jumper (similar to how he worked on his 3PT shot last summer) then he's probably an NBA prospect.

Until then, he's a really good MAC guard, whose deficiencies are well known and easy to stop when we play any good competition with length in the interior.


Last Edited: 3/12/2022 1:38:23 AM by GraffZ06
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 8:41:30 AM 
Cats5 wrote:
I don’t do these but let’s take a “too early” stab at a starting 5 and bench.

5: DW
4: Clayton or *BVP*
3: BRod
2: Miles
1: Mark
Bench: (in order)
AJ Brown at the 2
Sam at the 3 or 4 (if he stays)
IJ at 5
Elmore at 1 or 2
Hadaway at 4 (kinda depends on what BVP does)
Olumide at the 2 or 3
Frazier
Sheldon
Granger (if he stays)


Next year's team will not match its 24 wins from this season if OUr starting wings are BRod and Brown.
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 8:47:09 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
I don’t do these but let’s take a “too early” stab at a starting 5 and bench.

5: DW
4: Clayton or *BVP*
3: BRod
2: Miles
1: Mark
Bench: (in order)
AJ Brown at the 2
Sam at the 3 or 4 (if he stays)
IJ at 5
Elmore at 1 or 2
Hadaway at 4 (kinda depends on what BVP does)
Olumide at the 2 or 3
Frazier
Sheldon
Granger (if he stays)


Next year's team will not match its 24 wins from this season if OUr starting wings are BRod and Brown.

Who do you think should start there?
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 8:49:56 AM 
Not sure. But those 2 are not the answer.
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 8:52:38 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Cbus Convo wrote:
Last freshman to make an impact? Probably Cooper and before that I'd say Tillman or Leon.


Have you watched Ohio basketball since Cooper left?

Ryan Taylor
Jordan Dartis
Gavin Block
Jason Carter
BVP
Lunden McDay
Ben Roderick
Mark Sears

All these guys made good to significant impacts in their first years. DJ was an all timer. We need to stop acting like that comes around every season. It doesn't. Freshmen superstars are few and far between for a program like ours.


Thank you for refuting that ridiculous statement. I'll throw doug Taylor on that list too. If I recall he had a solid frosh campaign too.

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   Posted: 3/12/2022 9:18:55 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
I don’t do these but let’s take a “too early” stab at a starting 5 and bench.

5: DW
4: Clayton or *BVP*
3: BRod
2: Miles
1: Mark
Bench: (in order)
AJ Brown at the 2
Sam at the 3 or 4 (if he stays)
IJ at 5
Elmore at 1 or 2
Hadaway at 4 (kinda depends on what BVP does)
Olumide at the 2 or 3
Frazier
Sheldon
Granger (if he stays)


Next year's team will not match its 24 wins from this season if OUr starting wings are BRod and Brown.


+1

One of the two…James or Brown…have to crack the starting lineup.

Last Edited: 3/12/2022 9:20:59 AM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 3/12/2022 9:20:07 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Cbus Convo wrote:
Last freshman to make an impact? Probably Cooper and before that I'd say Tillman or Leon.


Have you watched Ohio basketball since Cooper left?

Ryan Taylor
Jordan Dartis
Gavin Block
Jason Carter
BVP
Lunden McDay
Ben Roderick
Mark Sears

All these guys made good to significant impacts in their first years. DJ was an all timer. We need to stop acting like that comes around every season. It doesn't. Freshmen superstars are few and far between for a program like ours.


I mean... BVP was MAC Frosh of the year in 2018-2019 - LOL.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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   Posted: 3/12/2022 9:59:12 AM 
Cats5 wrote:
I don’t do these but let’s take a “too early” stab at a starting 5 and bench.

5: DW
4: Clayton or *BVP*
3: BRod
2: Miles
1: Mark
Bench: (in order)
AJ Brown at the 2
Sam at the 3 or 4 (if he stays)
IJ at 5
Elmore at 1 or 2
Hadaway at 4 (kinda depends on what BVP does)
Olumide at the 2 or 3
Frazier
Sheldon
Granger (if he stays)


Hot take here--Ajay Sheldon will be the main backup to Sears. AJ will start in place of Brod and Hadaway will battle Clayton.
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 10:56:24 AM 
I'll play -

Roster next year (as of now, this WILL change based on portal and BVP)

Mark Sears - PG/SG (yes I included SG)
Ajay Sheldon - PG
Ben Estis - PG
Miles Brown - PG/SG (He was a backup PG previously)
AJ Brown - PG/SG (I think he's got the skills to be a big PG in MAC)
Lukas Frazier - SG
Olumide Adelodun - SG/SF
Ben Roderick - SG/SF
Elmore James IV - SG/SF (Can be a physical but undersized SF)
Sam Towns - SF/PF
Aidan Hadaway - SF/PF
AJ Clayton - PF
Dwight Wilson III - C
IJ Ezuma - C
Colin Granger - C

To try and make the best possible starting 5 from there?

PG - AJ Brown
SG - Mark Sears
SF - Elmore James IV
PF - Aidan Hadaway
C - Dwight Wilson III

2nd Unit
PG - Miles Brown
SG - Lukas Frazier
SF - Ben Roderick
PF - AJ Clayton
C - IJ Ezuma

If that's how it shakes out, we're a) starting 3 frosh which means growing pains and b) weak at SF and PF.

SF can be fixed if BRod returns to a non-pumpkin or Towns/Olumide develops. PF can be fixed if BVP returns or Towns develops.

Then there's the portal. I'd expect 1-2 leaving and coming to change this. And if I'm Boals looking for upgrades it's definitely a long wing who can shoot and defend and play the 3 or 4.
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 11:19:58 AM 
Most Likely to transfer:
-Colin Granger
-Sam Towns
-Olumide Adelodun (If he misses Canada)

What the Starting 5 will probably be Game 1:
PG: Mark Sears
SG: Miles Brown (I don't think he gets enough credit)
SF: Ben Roderick (long time until game 1)
PF: AJ Clayton
C: Dwight Wilson

What I would like the Starting 5 for Game 1:
PG: Mark Sears
SG: Miles Brown
SF: AJ Brown (Primary Ball Handler)
PF: AJ Clayton
C: Dwight Wilson

Bench Game 1:
Ajay Sheldon
Elmore James
Rod/AJ Brown (whoever doesn’t start)
Frazier/Adelodun
Aidan Hadaway
IJ Ezuma

Also, highly likely we pick up a transfer which would then change all of this.

Last Edited: 3/12/2022 11:22:08 AM by Bobcat2019
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   Posted: 3/12/2022 1:06:53 PM 
Interesting takes here. I think Ajay or AJ Brown could have a very good shot at 2nd PG if they maintain the play they showed this season. Sears pretty much has starting PG locked. Here are my lineups. Warning my basketball knowledge is still growing so I apologize if I mix up player positions.

Realistic starting lineup:
PG: Sears
SG: Miles Brown
PF: Ezuma (BVP here if he returns)
C: Wilson
SF: Roderick

Dream lineup

PG: Sears
SG: AJ Brown
PF: BVP
C: Wilson
SF: Hathaway

It'll be interesting to see how the team lineup will be next season. But, I'm expecting 1-2 transfers minimum.

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   Posted: 3/12/2022 1:33:00 PM 
My Best Guess at a 2-deep

PG: Sears -- Brown
SG: Brown -- James
SF: Roderick -- AJ Brown
PF: Clayton -- Hadaway
C: DW3 -- Ezuma

This is obviously assuming BVP does not come back and Towns/Granger transfer (which is my personal opinion what will happen).

Hoping Roderick can get his shot back or else I can see AJ Brown or Elmore James getting the start. Physically, James is already built for college so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. I really like Clayton at the 4 spot since he can step out and knock down 3's, he just needs to put on some weight. Not sure what to think of Adelodun.
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