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OU_Country
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  Message Not Read  CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/14/2012 10:29:19 PM 
On Selection Sunday, CBS produced a show called Hardcore Brackets that was shown on truTV.  I set the DVR and watched it tonight.  I have a few thoughts from the first half of the show when they were discussing seeds 1-68, and first in, first out, along with the concepts of non-conference strength of schedule. 

They opened with mentioning that this year 112 teams had 20 wins or more, and that with 37 at large bids it was “tough”.  It leads me to ask why they’d even consider teams like UConn, Northwestern, and Colorado State?

Charles Barkley and Greg Anthony talked on small conferences and SOS – how do small schools get a fair shake when power schools won’t play at Drexel, or at Iona?  Anthony stands up for how do you handle an unexpected down year in your conference?  Response is “pre-season events” are a way for schools that aren’t in power conferences to get those bigger games out of conference.  The trouble is, there are only so many openings in those November and December holiday tournaments to get games against the supposed power conference schools.  What I’d like to hear the selection committee answer is how they think the scheduling is fair between “power” and “non-power” conferences.   

Then they talk about “scheduling more aggressively” when your conference is a smaller conference.  I’d love to know how they propose that smaller schools do this without playing tons of road games out of conference.   I’d also like to know why some of the larger schools can’t be “required” to play, say 2 games a year on the road at places like Ohio, Akron, Drexel, Iona, Wichita, Saint Marys, Long Beach St, VCU, etc.  It would be simple, for example, to require a few games a year on the schedule to be games that are 1 for 1 games where for every time UNC Asheville goes to Chapel Hill, UNC comes to play a game in Asheville.  How, otherwise is it fair to look at the big “top 50 wins” category, and impressive wins?  If you go on Ken Pom’s website and evaluate non-conference SOS, lots of the teams in the top of the list aren’t in the tournament.  And here’s another thing:  Butler has a similar record, and a stronger Non-Conf SOS.  Why aren’t they in there instead of UConn or Colorado State?

Seth Davis thinks the “non-power” conferences are getting a fair shake.  What I want to know is how UConn being in, and Northwestern being considered, are a fair shake for non-power conferences?  I just don’t understand why we have to constantly hear about Top 50 or Top 25 wins when half of these power conference schools won’t purposely schedule the teams in the 50 to 125 range, and they’ll never play them on the road.  Another measure I’d like to see them put into place is not allowing at-large teams in that have losing records in their own conference.  How is a school that can’t win within its own conference truly a quality NCAA tournament team?  Kenny Smith brought up that every year there still isn’t some kind of clear cut suggestions about how many games against top 50, top 100, etc teams constitutes a supposed strong schedule.  Again, until they have some kind of scheduling requirements forced upon the power conferences that make the scheduling process fairer, the means that are used to evaluate those teams is not as accurate as it could be. 


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  Message Not Read  RE: CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/14/2012 10:40:57 PM 
Man

I been beating this drum for years. My alternative is the 128 game bracket that takes all the guess work out of it. If the big boys wont come out of the friendly confines and play and the NCAA won't make them then one more game in the tournament is the best way to go IMHO. THe purist talk about dilution but you never know who is out that could have made a run


Cal is doing a good job making Drexel look like they may have been a better choice despite SOS>


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  Message Not Read  RE: CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/14/2012 10:41:04 PM 
All extremely interesting topics.  I don't see the NCAA regulating scheduling to the level of "you must play x games at non-power conference facilities."  Too many variables, too much difficulty in determining what teams are in what category, and nobody will be happy.  I think the best direction to move is to reward teams for tough OOC scheduling, and penalize them for weak schedules.  Increase the weight on road wins.  Work the formula to reward power teams that go on the road more than those who stay home.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/14/2012 10:48:44 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Man

I been beating this drum for years. My alternative is the 128 game bracket that takes all the guess work out of it. If the big boys wont come out of the friendly confines and play and the NCAA won't make them then one more game in the tournament is the best way to go IMHO. THe purist talk about dilution but you never know who is out that could have made a run


Cal is doing a good job making Drexel look like they may have been a better choice despite SOS>


I like the 128 game format a lot. Spread the first round games sites around more too.


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  Message Not Read  RE: CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/14/2012 10:53:19 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Man

I been beating this drum for years. My alternative is the 128 game bracket that takes all the guess work out of it. If the big boys wont come out of the friendly confines and play and the NCAA won't make them then one more game in the tournament is the best way to go IMHO. THe purist talk about dilution but you never know who is out that could have made a run


Cal is doing a good job making Drexel look like they may have been a better choice despite SOS>

 

I'm nearly certain Akron or Kent could have given a better game too. 

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  Message Not Read  RE: CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/15/2012 7:19:51 AM 
I noticed earlier this year that Syracuse played one OOC true road game, at NC State.  Little wonder they've only lost two this year.  Kentucky's only OOC road game was at Indiana, and they lost that one.  Murray State, on the other hand, played six true road games vs. OOC opponents: at Morgan St.; at UAB, at Alaska as part of the Shootout; at West. KY; at #21 Memphis and at Eastern Ill.  Makes their one-loss season all the more impressive.  The big guys' refusal to play smaller schools on the road gives them an unfair advantage (although I gotta give MSU credit for driving down to Ypsilanti to play EMU this season).


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  Message Not Read  RE: CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/15/2012 7:22:48 AM 
    No time right now to look it up, but I remember how impressed I was w/ Tennessee and their OOC schedule. Have to give them a lot of credit. 
      Add osu inc. to the list of teams that rarely leave home prior to conference games.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CBS Hardcore Brackets Show
   Posted: 3/15/2012 10:35:21 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
    No time right now to look it up, but I remember how impressed I was w/ Tennessee and their OOC schedule. Have to give them a lot of credit. 

      Add osu inc. to the list of teams that rarely leave home prior to conference games.


Not only that, but tOSU essentially refuse to play other teams from Ohio even at home.  They won't even play UC or Xavier. 

This is the kind of stuff that needs corrected if RPI, SOS, and non-conf SOS are to be real solid measuring tools for selection.  Otherwise, they aren't nearly credible enough to make at-large selections with.  Some schools I give credit to:  MSU as noted, and UNC off the top of my head.  They've played road games at College of Charleston in the last 3-4 years.  I think they may have lost both.
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