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Kevin Finnegan
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Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 9:20:32 PM

Up 24-15 halfway through the first half over Toledo.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 9:21:54 PM

Go UT!

I want UT to win to set up better matchup on Tuesday. But BSU off to a great start. Nine of 13 from 3 in first 11 minutes, up 18.

Last Edited: 2/4/2022 9:28:08 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 9:53:20 PM

I'm torn. On one hand, I want the best chance at the 1 seed, raising a regular season banner, and guaranteeing at least an NIT bid. On the other hand, I don't want anything to risk us winning at Toledo being anything but a Q1 win and I don't want Toledo feeling like they need to regroup on Tuesday.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 10:16:27 PM

Toledo was down 20 at one point but has tied it at 56 with 15 minutes left.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 10:48:00 PM

Glad we don't have to face this tough Ball St. squad!!!

Wait?

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 10:57:26 PM

It�s going to be Ball State. We still need a victory next Tuesday to seal the deal.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 11:00:41 PM

93-83 Ball State. Hooo boy the Toledo forum will be entertaining to read.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 11:08:54 PM

berniebobcat wrote:

It�s going to be Ball State. We still need a victory next Tuesday to seal the deal.

This hurts our at-large chances, such as they are, and means that if we finish that road trip next week without another loss then we MIGHT still not get any votes in the polls. However, I still think it is likely that we would. Toledo has points in both polls now.

On the other hand, we can start putting a stranglehold on the MAC if we do beat Toledo and have a realistic chance even if we lose. We especially would have a chance to tie. That tie wouldn't come with a sure NIT bid at that point but it is a conference title. I think a MAC cochampionship and only 5 or 6 losses probably gets us in the NIT anyway. But the MAC is weak this year so who knows.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 11:19:24 PM

I question whether this Ball St win tonight is good for Ohio going into Toledo Tuesday. Not sure I want to be facing a Toledo team coming off an upset loss.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 11:20:02 PM

Maybe we should be thinking bigger. Win out and take the tournament and we could conceivably get a decent seed in the NCAA tournament.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 11:26:16 PM

Toledo will redouble their focus. We need to triple ours.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 11:40:55 PM

JSF wrote:

Toledo will redouble their focus. We need to triple ours.

Right after OUr focus on the Broncos is complete...

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/4/2022 11:44:58 PM

Ball State's win also puts Buffalo in 7th place at the moment.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 12:20:23 AM

If Ohio takes a �one game at a time approach as I suspect,� this counts as good news.

Toledo was going to be motivated on Tuesday regardless of their outcome tonight. I don�t buy into the extra motivation. They�ll be mad but that doesn�t necessarily mean they�ll play better. Sometimes the opposite happens in sports. The better team will win when the Bobcats and Rockets take the court. It certainly won�t be an easy game.

As far as their at-large chances, those went out the window after losing to LSU and Kentucky. All Ball State�s win did today was improve Ohio�s chances of winning the MAC regular season title and securing an automatic NIT bid which is a good thing.

I think the Bobcats are in a good position for the NIT regardless of if they secure auto bid or not but it doesn�t hurt to take care of business. Obviously, top focus is winning in Cleveland and making it back to the NCAA Tournament.

Last Edited: 2/5/2022 12:23:05 AM by FormerMember

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 12:27:49 AM

Sat behind the Toledo tonite. Not having SHumate for long stretches was pretty huge. Goofy flops, delays of games and motor mouths caused unneeded Techs. Refs gave them a long leash then reeled them in when they kept pushing.

Sad to see as I would much rather have seen them off a win,

Students turned out and stayed loud all night.

Rollins was not as good as I have seen him, Millner kept them in it hitting 3 treys in 90 seconds from the same spot Rollins and Dennis are almost the same when you look at them and their game. Rollins is much better but Ball had him on a short leash...yet he managed to put 22 in on 9/19....combined Millner and he had 38 shots to go with 15 from Dennis. Lot of balls went up with not a lot going in... On the other side Ball shot almost 50 % from three to go along with their 22 FTs making 17.

Not a very large turnout for a 9 pm game with 14 inches of snow yesterday but the students came out and with the arena selling beer there was plenty in the students in front of us. If it gets them there that is great.

Surprising win....for the MAC, for the Oddsmakers and most of all for their fanboard.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 8:12:03 AM

FormerMember wrote:

As far as their at-large chances, those went out the window after losing to LSU and Kentucky. All Ball State�s win did today was improve Ohio�s chances of winning the MAC regular season title and securing an automatic NIT bid which is a good thing.

Look, I totally believe that the deck is intentionally stacked against non-power 5 schools for at-large bids. It wasn't quite so bad back in the 90s. Now, it is so much about quality wins than strength of record (which should, IMO, be the main qualifier) or who we think would win most of the time if they played. If a team gets the nod because they have 2 Q1 wins in 12 tries over a team that has 1 in 2 tries then, yes, mid-majors are screwed. It isn't QUITE that bad but it is incredibly stacked against us for the last 16 years or so.

Having said that your statement is a total exaggeration of the realistically dim state of affairs by people who want to moan and make it sound even worse than it is. Going 31-3 with road losses to two national powers and wins over Belmont and Toledo twice with a loss to Toledo in the final would have gotten us an at-large with close to 100% certainty. Will 30-4 do it? I don't know but it is a very realistic possibility. We would at the very least be among the last teams they were discussing. 29-5? I'm guessing as bad as the MAC is and with no OOC Q1 wins and the deck stacked like that that it is unlikely. It depends on how the bubble looks, how Belmont does, and who is on the committee and such to know if we might have a chance at all.

MTSU did get in with 5 losses in 2013 with some losses much worse teams than we have so far while playing in a Sunbelt league with a much worse reputation than the MAC. A great record and wins over teams the caliber of Belmont and Toledo did it for them.

Ohio's own women's team had 5 losses and a very weak OOC schedule was likely the last team out in 2019. But that was an up MAC. This men's team is in a down one. But the gap between the P5 and everyone else is much bigger in women's hoops so it still might be an apt comparison.

The thing that has me down about OUr chances is not just a failure to beat LSU or UK or the MAC being down is also that we have let too many bad teams finish with the score too close. It is hurting OUr .NET and makes me also question how good we are. I texted my brother when we had a lead in the high 20s with about 15 minutes left against EMU that they would score a couple of buckets in the last minute and we would win by 7. How many times has something like that happened?

Last Edited: 2/5/2022 9:27:27 AM by Victory

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 9:59:55 AM

As great as Rollins is, the biggest thing that prevented a successful comeback for Toledo was Shumate being in early and serious foul trouble. It took a whole dimension out of their game. Of course Ball State had an unusually good shooting night and Toledo didn�t have their best game, but neutralizing Shumate was a big deal - especially because Toledo has such a thin bench.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 10:22:37 AM

UT thin bench will get a boost (how much TBD) when 6-10 AJ Edu returns later this month. Showed a lot of promise as a 2018-19 frosh, playing in 33 games. Bad knees, however, has limited him to 2 total games over the last 3 seasons.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 11:10:19 AM

Victory wrote:

FormerMember wrote:

We all know how hard it is for Boals to get games. I think next year he really tries to focus on more games against teams like programs like Drake, San Francisco and Davidson. I would rather play one top 25 team and play a minimum 3 games against the caliber of teams I just mentioned who have Quad 1 finish ability.

On the subject of NET, I have no earthly idea how Belmont beats 8 win Tennessee State and moves up 6 spots to #38 with 5 losses. NET is showing us very little respect and the conference rating isn't helping.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 11:54:31 AM

Victory wrote:

Having said that your statement is a total exaggeration of the realistically dim state of affairs by people who want to moan and make it sound even worse than it is. Going 31-3 with road losses to two national powers and wins over Belmont and Toledo twice with a loss to Toledo in the final would have gotten us an at-large with close to 100% certainty. Will 30-4 do it? I don't know but it is a very realistic possibility. We would at the very least be among the last teams they were discussing. 29-5? I'm guessing as bad as the MAC is and with no OOC Q1 wins and the deck stacked like that that it is unlikely. It depends on how the bubble looks, how Belmont does, and who is on the committee and such to know if we might have a chance at all.

MTSU did get in with 5 losses in 2013 with some losses much worse teams than we have so far while playing in a Sunbelt league with a much worse reputation than the MAC. A great record and wins over teams the caliber of Belmont and Toledo did it for them.

Ohio's own women's team had 5 losses and a very weak OOC schedule was likely the last team out in 2019. But that was an up MAC. This men's team is in a down one. But the gap between the P5 and everyone else is much bigger in women's hoops so it still might be an apt comparison.

The thing that has me down about OUr chances is not just a failure to beat LSU or UK or the MAC being down is also that we have let too many bad teams finish with the score too close. It is hurting OUr .NET and makes me also question how good we are. I texted my brother when we had a lead in the high 20s with about 15 minutes left against EMU that they would score a couple of buckets in the last minute and we would win by 7. How many times has something like that happened?

It feels like you're drawing a distinction between a 98% likelihood and a 99% likelihood and then ridiculing people for being overly negative. You're also assuming that the committee thinks Toledo is good, and that two wins over them would have guaranteed an at large. The reality is that Toledo's best win is over us. You remove that, assume another loss in game two, and they are 18-7, with losses to Oakland, Richmond, Ohio (x2), Michigan State, Kent State, and Ball State. And who is their best win? Bradley?

You're vastly overstating the impact two wins (and a MACC loss) to Toledo would have.

Last Edited: 2/5/2022 1:09:06 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 4:03:25 PM

FormerMember wrote:

Toledo was going to be motivated on Tuesday regardless of their outcome tonight. I don�t buy into the extra motivation.

I said focus, not motivation. But they will have the added motivation of taking sole first place in the conference Tuesday.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 6:14:43 PM

JSF wrote:

FormerMember wrote:

Toledo was going to be motivated on Tuesday regardless of their outcome tonight. I don�t buy into the extra motivation.

I said focus, not motivation. But they will have the added motivation of taking sole first place in the conference Tuesday.

Poor wording on my part. I understood what you meant. My feeling is that both teams will have the proper focus and mindset regardless of what happened going in. Toledo game will be for the MAC regular season title. I�d hope neither team would let a previous result impact them in a game of this magnitude.

Last Edited: 2/5/2022 6:16:47 PM by FormerMember

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 6:56:21 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Victory wrote:

While I cannot stake my life on if we would have gotten into the NCAA's at 31-3 nor prove it, I am saying that I am 99% certain that we would have. We very probably would have had around #10 strength of record at that point. Teams have gotten in without a marquee win before along with a much worse resume than that. It has been stated numerous times on the board that OUr at-large chances were dead after the loss to LSU. I am saying running the table from there to the MAC final would have gotten us in with near 100% certainty. That's not a 99% vs. 98% but more like a 0% vs 100%. I'm not saying that running the table would be easy but an at large bud after the LSU loss was unequivocally not impossible at that point.

I see the ridicule in my statement. I also see it in the statement I made on the athletic budget on the football board. I must have been in an angry, snarky mood this morning. I apologize for that.

IMO, if we were 19-3 now with a win over Kentucky but had instead lost to, say, Akron that 19-3 record would have been achieved against the 22 opponents and would have been of approximately equal difficultly to achieve. Whatever worth we would have proved in beating UK that the real-life team did not if would have surrendered in that respect by losing to Akron. IMO, the committee SHOULD view that as approximately the same thing. But we all know after the quality win legislation that they are not at all seen as the same thing. That was nothing more than a intentional effort to stack the deck in favor of teams that have more chances to get quality wins.

We are going to end up with about exactly the same overall SOS as that MTSU team that got in with 5 losses and no marquee wins. The reason that I think this is unlikely in OUr case is we have so many games like today where a 12 point win was less than what a top 50 team ought to be getting against WMU. I still think at 4 losses it is possible. I don't know that we will but we'll be on the bubble watch with that even in a bad version of the MAC and too many closeish wins but we need to start blowing out bad teams. Heck, MAC teams got in several times with 8 losses in the 90's if I recall. But those were better versions of the MAC and the committee hadn't yet gone quality win crazy.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 9:43:47 PM

Speaking of "quad wins" and whatever... Belmont is trailing @ 5-17 Tennessee Tech by 15 at halftime. If that holds up, the "value" of a win over Belmont will grow weaker. Now, there is still time for Belmont to pull it out but OVC refs might not feel as obligated to assist with that since Belmont is bolting for the MVC.

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RE: Go Ball State!

Posted: 2/5/2022 9:47:27 PM

greencat wrote:

Jeez, getting their asses kicked 37-52 at half.

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