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Monroe Slavin
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This could work.

Posted: 7/15/2010 3:36:12 AM

Keely and Ivo Baltic.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/16/2010 8:37:36 AM

Quality analysis right there.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/16/2010 11:27:11 AM

I'm guessing Monroe is doing one of two things here: (A) Trying to start a reasonable discussion, but with no other analysis than a few words. OR (B) Trying to get his post count back up.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/16/2010 12:33:27 PM

Re-watched the game against Georgetown. It was us at our best so one mustn't get too enthused. But Baltic (length, activity) and Keely (held his ground, a few points, played at the rim)--if they could do that as frosh, then

This could work.

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Posted: 7/16/2010 12:58:40 PM

I caught a few minutes of an open gym on Monday when I was in the Convo, looked like Keely was working on his mid-range jumper extensively. Looks like he's going to develop that nice little jumper just like KVK did.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/16/2010 2:37:18 PM

KVK was on fire vs. Georgetown. With him hitting, they just couldn't cover what we brung.

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Posted: 7/16/2010 6:06:55 PM

I don't know a lot about A Kellogg's game, how does he stack up vs Keely and Baltic, of the 3 who do you think will have the most playing time?

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Posted: 7/16/2010 6:36:35 PM

think both have lots of upside, but really like Keely. He seems instinctive on the boards, strong enough to fight for position. gosh, if he were just an inch or 2 taller! but if he maximizes his strengths, he could be a tough, tough baller.

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Posted: 7/18/2010 8:12:39 PM

Washington is going to start no matter who we play. I think Ivo could still use a little bit of work. I'd say Reggie is the most ready to start and really contribute. He looks like he has added a nice jump shot to his repetoir.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/18/2010 8:46:07 PM

I would guess the starting five would be Cooper, Coleman, Freeman, Washington, Kellogg. Keely could start but I think Kellogg fits the system even better. Whoever doesn't start between Keely & Kellogg more than likely will be first off the bench if one of the bigs get in foul trouble or just aren't playing well. Ricardo should be getting major PT if all the hype about him is true as well as little Kellogg. Then when you account for Baltic, Hall, & Jacobs we'll be a very deep team next winter.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/18/2010 8:46:52 PM

                 There's gonna be a lot of guys fighting for minutes this year, which is a good thing, we are gonna be stacked at every position. Some worried about point to back up DJ,   Nick and Ricardo both played some point in High School, my prediction on a starting 5 are,

DJ Cooper
Ricardo Johnson
Tommy Freeman
Reggie Keely
Davaughn Washington

       Steven Coleman will be next in line, since he likes coming off the bench,   then pick any player from there on out. Coach Groce will play a lot of players this season and wear teams down. This is gonna be a super season, anything but a MAC Championship to me, is gonna be a failure. I will be very disappointed if we're not the MAC Regular Season Champs and the MAC Tournament Champs in 2010-2011.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/18/2010 10:19:38 PM

I like the thought of having Washington and Keely starting alongside each other. Keely averaged 4.3 rebonds per game as a freshman in just 16 mins/game. If he has been hitting the gym and working on his game, his increased minutes this year should lead to that number jumping. I also see DW, assuming he can stay out of foul trouble, averaging about 17 and 8 this year. I see Keely being the bruiser down low will DW does most of the post scoring. Off the bench we will see a combo of Kellogg and Baltic/Jacobs to keep the same type of identity, with one bruiser and another athletic big man.

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Posted: 7/19/2010 9:14:30 AM

Looking at the various starting 5 options with all of the talent we'll have next year, is there a risk to Tommy losing his starting spot, or as a Senior is he pretty muh guarenteed to start? Not saying he shouldn't start but just thinking of how there could be a traffic jam at the 3 spot. Assuming we start Coop, Coleman, Keely, and DW, we'll have the option of going small at the 3 with another G (Johnson, NKellogg), or big with another F (AKellogg, Baltic). Freeman's perimeter game is superb and I love his guts but his ball handling and his ability to drive to the basket are average, I'm just wondering if someone with more of an inside game might challenge his spot.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/19/2010 10:15:27 AM

perimeterpost wrote:

With Tommy's outside shooting and defensive accumen, there is no way the he doesn't start and play big minutes. Remember, he was one of the best shooters IN THE NATION last year. You don't sit someone that shoots that well. With all of the slashers and post players we have, someone needs to sit behind the arc and hit threes. I think that if Coleman comes back at 100%, we are going to be very difficult to guard next year.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/19/2010 10:18:09 AM

Agree.

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Posted: 7/19/2010 11:34:03 AM

bn9 wrote:

He sat last year until departures and injuries opened it up.

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Posted: 7/19/2010 12:17:51 PM

Hoops Malone wrote:

bn9 wrote:

He sat last year until departures and injuries opened it up.

Bobcats' record when Tommy played more than 20 minutes - 22-9

Bobcats' record when Tommy played 20 minutes or fewer - 0-6

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Posted: 7/19/2010 1:04:59 PM

So?

I'm just saying Groce prefers Coleman over Freeman. It was pretty evident. He comes back, more of "his" recruits come in who are talented...Tommy doesn't come out draining shots, he struggles to find minutes.

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Posted: 7/19/2010 1:19:26 PM

OUVan wrote:

Hoops Malone wrote:

bn9 wrote:

He sat last year until departures and injuries opened it up.

Bobcats' record when Tommy played more than 20 minutes - 22-9

Bobcats' record when Tommy played 20 minutes or fewer - 0-6

a couple of ways you can read those data points- were we 0-6 because Tommy didn't play enough or did he not play enough because we were losing? again, I'm not picking on him, I like him a lot, just trying to get a sense of what others think Groce might have in mind for our starting 5 next year.

Between BBall and Football all this talk about having too much talent is blowing my mind.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/19/2010 1:47:29 PM

Hoops Malone wrote:

In the 10 games Coleman played in, he started 4 of them. Coleman also fouled out in 4 of those 10 games, Coleman will not take minutes away from Tommy Freeman, How can you keep a kid like Tommy Freeman on the bench that shoots 47.7% from behind the arc. Freeman made 93 3 pointers last season in 195 try's that's 2.51 3's a game. Talked to a few of the players and they say Tommy is rippin the nets in open gym from 3 point land., sounds like Tommy has picked up, right where he left off. If Tommy stays healthy this year, he will pass Dave Jamerson as number 1 on the most 3 pointers made for a career. he needs 80 to do so. BOOK IT !!!!!

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/19/2010 2:03:14 PM

Hoops Malone wrote:

I agree with you. However, I would think that Tommy played well enough at the end of the season to gain Coach Groce's confidence. I think that he really improved last year and hope that he continues this summer and into next year.

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Posted: 7/19/2010 2:16:25 PM

My bad on the minutes thing, it had more to do on Bassett arriving.

I'll still stick by that Groce will have the quickest trigger on taking minutes away from Freeman if he doesn't maintain the way he finished last year.

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Posted: 7/19/2010 2:16:54 PM

Hoops Malone wrote:

Sorry but Tommy's value isn't just in his shot. He is easily the best player on the team at passing the ball quickly. The six games that Tommy played 20 or fewer minutes came between 12/6 and 1/20. We went 5-8 in the stretch where Tommy's minutes were cut. From that point on Tommy saw the court 27 minutes or more in all but one game and our scoring went from 68.3 ppg in the 13 games stretch where Tommy's role was dimished to 77.4 ppg in the final 19 games (we went 13-6 over that stretch).

I understand that Groce is going to try to find time for his recruits but the results show that he would not be wise to do it as the expense of Tommy's minutes.

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RE: This could work.

Posted: 7/19/2010 3:36:39 PM

Regardless of who starts I think Freeman is going to be one of the five on the floor at the end of the game. Besides being able to get us back in games with some 3's, he also brings the intangibles of being a SR and making the right plays at the end. Some of those close ones we lost at the beginning of last year should go our way this year with 2 SRs on the floor at the end. One thing to remember is that Coleman brings a better slashing game than Freeman does so if that's what the game plan calls for in a certain game than that's who Groce will probably defer to in a game. More than likely I think we'll see a heavy dose of Coleman & Freeman on the floor together. One does not need to necessarily need to spell the other.

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Posted: 7/19/2010 4:04:07 PM

OUVan wrote:

5-7 from 12/6 to 1/20

Let's see. It must all have been about Tommy's lack of minutes. Not:

Armon Bassett making his first field goal on 12/6 (in his 2nd game ever with the team)
Steve Coleman not playing after 12/22
Kinney leaving the team
The team just as a whole being at a crossroads

I mean, you are making it sound like Freeman was the cure for a team battling to stay out of last place in the MAC to 2nd round NCAA tournament. It's just one of the many things to help it all eventually fall into place, but I don't think that'll give him much more than an opening day pass to get significant minutes. Even back-to-back poor performances by him I think would mean Groce throwing in more athletically gifted players to run his system. I think one of the new guards will emerge as a pretty good shooter anyways and will be better matchups defensively.

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