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Reports are trickling in that Western Kentucky & Middle Tn are set to join the MAC. I know football drives the discussion but my mind went straight to hoops and got very excited. From a competitive standpoint, I think they are good additions as both have a lot of sustained competitiveness (despite MTSU's recent struggles). It will make it harder for us to win our conference but make our conference overall more formidable. Geographically I also like it and am already thinking about a trip to Nashville and/or BG (KY). If this happens, in my opinion we have to go back to having divisions and make it a 19 game conference schedule (12 against division, 7 cross-division). There is no perfect divide geographically for this crop of 14. I suspect this will be part of the negotiations to bring them into the conference and I would expect them to push hard to be included with Ohio, Miami & Ball St. I'd like to see all 6 Ohio teams and Buffalo kept in a East division but I am not sure our southern members would take too kindly to having half their division in the state of Michigan. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,069 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 2:25:11 PM  I actually wouldn't mind switching it up and thinking outside the box on division placement. Make these new schools feel like they belong and put them in the same division as those they're closest too. For Ohio, if that means trading Akron, Kent or Buffalo for WKU, MTSU and Ball State I say lets goooo. Just keep the Miami rivalry intact. I know some would hate losing Buffalo and Akron twice a year, but you can make this work so you have permanent cross division rivals. Last Edited: 11/1/2021 2:26:41 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,434 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 2:39:06 PM  MAC - HEARTLAND Akron Kent Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES BG UT UB CMU EMU WMU NIU Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,931 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 3:15:03 PM  That is a good breakdown Shaba Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,879 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 3:24:24 PM  I like that breakdown. They may also consider building the schedule with road trips in mind so teams can hit various pairings (WKU/MTSU...Kent/Akron...BG/Toledo/EMU...WMU/CMU) with 1 hotel stay. Maybe mix in some Mondays or Thursdays to make it work. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 3:29:42 PM  If we are going to add teams I like both of them. But I would personally like to remain at 12. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,102 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 5:04:09 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Being discussed on the football board but wanted to start a basketball slanted discussion. Reports are trickling in that Western Kentucky & Middle Tn are set to join the MAC. I know football drives the discussion but my mind went straight to hoops and got very excited. From a competitive standpoint, I think they are good additions as both have a lot of sustained competitiveness (despite MTSU's recent struggles). It will make it harder for us to win our conference but make our conference overall more formidable. Geographically I also like it and am already thinking about a trip to Nashville and/or BG (KY). If this happens, in my opinion we have to go back to having divisions and make it a 19 game conference schedule (12 against division, 7 cross-division). There is no perfect divide geographically for this crop of 14. I suspect this will be part of the negotiations to bring them into the conference and I would expect them to push hard to be included with Ohio, Miami & Ball St. I'd like to see all 6 Ohio teams and Buffalo kept in a East division but I am not sure our southern members would take too kindly to having half their division in the state of Michigan. I agree about 19 game conference schedule. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 7:54:13 PM  Why wouldn’t Marshall come back? Back to Top OUcat General User Member Since: 10/13/2011 Post Count: 139 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 9:02:02 PM  South -- Ohio-Miami-BSU-MTSU-WKU_NIU_WMU North -- UB-BG_UT_CMU-EMU-Akron-Kent Al rivalries stay intact ... Last Edited: 11/1/2021 9:03:01 PM by OUcat Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,102 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 10:01:52 PM  giacomo wrote: Why wouldn’t Marshall come back? I think it's because they think the future of football is more promising in the Sun Belt. Plus, the Sun Belt waived the $2 million entrance fee. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,165 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 10:46:16 PM  shabamon wrote: MAC - HEARTLAND Akron Kent Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES BG UT UB CMU EMU WMU NIU I really like this distribution. You should send it to the MAC Commish! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,430 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/1/2021 11:17:26 PM  giacomo wrote: Why wouldn’t Marshall come back? Why would we invite them? "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,799 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 8:35:59 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: shabamon wrote: MAC - HEARTLAND Akron Kent Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES BG UT UB CMU EMU WMU NIU I really like this distribution. You should send it to the MAC Commish! Buffalo is the one school that might not like it. Kent and Akron are the closest trips for them, and they get separated. But I don't see any better options. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,069 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 9:08:55 AM  A formality, according to the Blade. https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/college/2021/11/01/wes... https://twitter.com/KyleRowland/status/145529524682116710... Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 11:46:37 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: shabamon wrote: MAC - HEARTLAND Akron Kent Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES BG UT UB CMU EMU WMU NIU I really like this distribution. You should send it to the MAC Commish! I like this as well, although if I were Buffalo I would be kicking and screaming about this arrangement. Akron and Kent are the two closest schools to them. I see no reason they'd be eager to start playing the Michigan schools or NIU. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,069 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 11:57:10 AM  The Optimist wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: shabamon wrote: MAC - HEARTLAND Akron Kent Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES BG UT UB CMU EMU WMU NIU I really like this distribution. You should send it to the MAC Commish! I like this as well, although if I were Buffalo I would be kicking and screaming about this arrangement. Akron and Kent are the two closest schools to them. I see no reason they'd be eager to start playing the Michigan schools or NIU. If you wanted to make things easier on Buffalo, swap out Akron/Kent for BG/Toledo. Then we'd be screwed not getting our primary rivals other than Miami. MAC - HEARTLAND BG Toledo Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES Akron Kent UB CMU EMU WMU NIU With WKU and MTSU being so far south, NIU being so far west and Buffalo being so far East there is not going to be any perfect scenario here. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,193 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 5:26:24 PM  GoCats105 wrote: The Optimist wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: shabamon wrote: MAC - HEARTLAND Akron Kent Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES BG UT UB CMU EMU WMU NIU I really like this distribution. You should send it to the MAC Commish! I like this as well, although if I were Buffalo I would be kicking and screaming about this arrangement. Akron and Kent are the two closest schools to them. I see no reason they'd be eager to start playing the Michigan schools or NIU. If you wanted to make things easier on Buffalo, swap out Akron/Kent for BG/Toledo. Then we'd be screwed not getting our primary rivals other than Miami. MAC - HEARTLAND BG Toledo Ohio Miami BSU WKU MTSU MAC - GREAT LAKES Akron Kent UB CMU EMU WMU NIU With WKU and MTSU being so far south, NIU being so far west and Buffalo being so far East there is not going to be any perfect scenario here. This would probably keep UB happier than the North\South alignment on the football discussion and the Michigan schools might not scream about Toledo and BGSU being moved to the other division as long as they don't have to go to Kentucky and Tennessee every year. So I guess that this is a fifth realistic option. If I had to bet on an alignment I'd bet on this: NORTH\WEST NIU BSU WMU CMU EMU BGSU UT SOUTH\EAST OHIO Miami KSU Akron UB WKU MTSU Which is what was mentioned above in moving BGSU to the West and putting the new guys in the East. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,430 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 6:22:13 PM  GoCats105 wrote: A formality, according to the Blade. https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/college/2021/11/01/wes... https://twitter.com/KyleRowland/status/145529524682116710... Disagree it's a formality, as it's the presidents who have the actual voting power. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,165 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 6:32:38 PM  JSF wrote: GoCats105 wrote: A formality, according to the Blade. https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/college/2021/11/01/wes... https://twitter.com/KyleRowland/status/145529524682116710... Disagree it's a formality, as it's the presidents who have the actual voting power. So you think the ADs weren't aware of the of the stance of the university president on admitting these two schools? And, you feel they were completely free to express their own opinions divorced from the opinions of their bosses? That's not the way it usually works in higher education administration. Normally, there is a great deal of discussion among the relevant administrators and president before a meeting where university business at that level is to be discussed. This particular situation couuld be different for some reason, but I'm dubious. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,430 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 6:35:32 PM  Isn't there a slapfight happening right now at Toledo? And WKU was already rejected once by a president despite AD approval. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,165 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 6:58:44 PM  JSF wrote: Isn't there a slapfight happening right now at Toledo? And WKU was already rejected once by a president despite AD approval. I don't think the dysfunction in the UT athletic department would be an issue in this context. That earlier situation, if it happened that way, would be an anomaly. Not saying it couldn't happen again, but it's not very likely. I suspect what's going on now is that there is negotiations on what division the new schools will be in, how ESPN and playoff revenue will be shared, etc. Reading some stuff on other boards, I get the impression that WKU may be in a stronger bargaining position than MTSU. Hmm . . . this was just posted on Twitter by a guy WKU fans seem to think has the inside scoop: https://twitter.com/wkubasketballr1/status/14555662037500... So, if true, that now only leaves MTSU The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 7:03:05 PM  Victory wrote: This would probably keep UB happier than the North\South alignment on the football discussion and the Michigan schools might not scream about Toledo and BGSU being moved to the other division as long as they don't have to go to Kentucky and Tennessee every year. So I guess that this is a fifth realistic option. If I had to bet on an alignment I'd bet on this: NORTH\WEST NIU BSU WMU CMU EMU BGSU UT SOUTH\EAST OHIO Miami KSU Akron UB WKU MTSU Which is what was mentioned above in moving BGSU to the West and putting the new guys in the East. I think this makes the most sense to me. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,430 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/2/2021 7:09:30 PM  I-75 and East West of I-75 "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,069 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/3/2021 9:15:26 AM  JSF wrote: Isn't there a slapfight happening right now at Toledo? And WKU was already rejected once by a president despite AD approval. Reading the MAC boards and WKU boards, that rejection came at the hands of EMU who was holding a grudge with the MAC office over something completely unrelated. The story goes Toledo left a fake FG or punt off of their game film that they sent to EMU. Toledo then ran the play in the game and EMU filed a grievance with the league. When voting for WKU came up, they were the only member school who voted no. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: WKU & MTSU    Posted: 11/3/2021 10:41:44 AM  GoCats105 wrote: JSF wrote: Isn't there a slapfight happening right now at Toledo? And WKU was already rejected once by a president despite AD approval. Reading the MAC boards and WKU boards, that rejection came at the hands of EMU who was holding a grudge with the MAC office over something completely unrelated. The story goes Toledo left a fake FG or punt off of their game film that they sent to EMU. Toledo then ran the play in the game and EMU filed a grievance with the league. When voting for WKU came up, they were the only member school who voted no. Is a unanimous vote required? 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