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Topic: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

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OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/14/2021 9:46:10 PM

And, he says, "Who cares?" It's about his Twitter run-up with a college professor in February. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/media/2021/04/14/es... /

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/15/2021 8:26:35 AM

Part of me is glad, another is not. The thing is, in the beginning, I really liked him. But in recent years, his bravado has gone overboard and become almost an act. Or if it's not an act, he's just gotten excessive with it.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/15/2021 2:15:52 PM

OU_Country wrote:

I always thought he was a self-promoting carnival barker from the Dick Vitale mold.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/15/2021 9:33:13 PM

My daily drive in the car or on the bike. Never liked him much as a coach and frequently disagree but he has great rapport with guests and gets them to open up quite honestly on a daily basis. That gives insight that most programs don't and if you listen through the story you learn stuff that you can't get elsewhere.

That said, responding to the topic title I was listening on the way to work this morning when he qualified what he said....noting that the Indystar pounced on it in real time and blew it up. (Oddly enough the DNS is unreachable for the Star on any of my 3 computers or phones right now). He talked about it around the 76th minute on this broadcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dan-remembers-life-... saying that was not the gist of what he said. His intent was to say you can only worry about what you can control. If ESPN wants him back he will be back but if not he will hopefully find a job somewhere else.

Personally, I am glad we have him here. Honest to a fault. Self effacing (he is currently Door Dashing to atone and regain humility), with a tough exterior covering up some surprisingly strong character traits. All in all, his detractors seem, to me, to be the herd of sheep who don't take time to formulate their own opinions but jump on the loud and growing mob of reactionary lockstep folk who thrive on share and retweet opportunities to feed their daily rage. He provides a ton of thought provoking guests and commentary that serve up daily insights and views that swim counter to the regular sports media talking heads.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/15/2021 10:19:07 PM

He's one of the very few sportscasters who know anything about the MAC beyond what's in the media notes.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/16/2021 7:29:41 AM

Pataskala wrote:

He's one of the very few sportscasters who know anything about the MAC beyond what's in the media notes.

I agree and it's not just the MAC either. You can tell he talks from knowledge, not just from the prep sheet he read to get ready for whatever game he's doing. I'm always happy when I turn on a game and see he's the one doing the analysis.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 1:29:26 PM

Never listened to his radio shows always enjoyed him on his tv stints. To me always tried to be a friend to the MAC and defended such as being a legit b-ball conference. Also called out a coach or player when he felt it needed to be done.

That said I was stunned ESPN didn�t fire him on the spot after the controversy broke. The DoubleD committed the unpardonable sin of offending two �woke� entities Duke and ESPN. There can be no forgiveness for such transgressions in today�s sports world. I will miss the guy as being a long-time MACer (1969] I enjoyed his trips down memory lane with his experiences and memories of life in the MAC.RIP Dan you weren�t the first taken out by the Woke brigade and you won�t be the last either..

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 4:36:34 PM

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The "woke brigade"?

Dakich went on ESPN radio and shared contact info of a Duke professor and encouraged listeners to reach out because said Duke professor disagreed with him.

There are many, many people who voiced the exact opinion Dakich did. They just did do like adults. I think you're confusing facing consequences for being detestable with "lost his job because of the woke brigade".

Last Edited: 4/18/2021 4:38:04 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 4:41:45 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

I appreciate your comments as this culture of mob mentality is getting tiresome. I just listened to a Podcast with Seth Greenberg. I don't think he is going anywhere but I have been wrong before and will be again in the future. Give it a listen and see if there is any indication they have let him go. https://open.spotify.com/episode/50NfMbdpMucR4F1hqwJmCb

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 5:29:45 PM

Yea BLSofS there is a �woke� brigade. Been taking people out/cancelling/silencing them in droves lately.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 5:46:30 PM

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Yea BLSofS there is a �woke� brigade. Been taking people out/cancelling/silencing them in droves lately.

I didn't suggest there isn't an issue with cancel culture. I just don't think Dan Dakich is a victim of that. He's a replacement level broadcasting talent for ESPN. And as soon as somebody who is replacement level -- at any job whatsoever -- causes more headaches than they're worth, they get replaced.

Further, Dakich's behavior here isn't super defensible. A Duke professor challenged him on Twitter -- not even directly, and he ranted about the guy on the radio, shared the guy's contact info on the air, shared where and when his office hours were, and encouraged his audience to reach out. Ironically, that sounds an awful lot more like cancel culture than anything the Duke professor did. In what way did the Duke professor try and silence Dakich? Because Dakich sent his listeners after somebody just for having a difference of opinion with him (and others) about Jalen Johnson. I'm struggling to see how Dakich isn't guilty of the very thing you're accusing him of being a victim of. Was he not trying to silence a voice who disagreed with him?

Pretty frequently nowadays the "woke mob" gets blamed whenever adults face adult consequences for their childish actions. That's what happened here with Dakich -- the additional PR headache outweighed his value add, and his employer moved on.

Last Edited: 4/18/2021 5:54:41 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 6:59:16 PM

He will likely end up with another gig somewhere, right?

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 8:55:23 PM

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

I always thought he was a self-promoting carnival barker from the Dick Vitale mold.

It appears that Dakich never met Mr. Vitale. He doesn�t know Dick.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/18/2021 9:33:13 PM

giacomo wrote:

ohiocatfan1 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

I always thought he was a self-promoting carnival barker from the Dick Vitale mold.

It appears that Dakich never met Mr. Vitale. He doesn�t know Dick.

Actually, he and Dickie V are pretty good friends. Recalling a show earlier this year when they visited on the show sometime around the Super Bowl and talked about when his wife, Lee, and he attended a party at Coach Vitale's house around the time of the ESPN Awards. They seemed to be pretty good buddies. Not sure if you were making a funny. Do you know Dick?

EDIT. For the record Jeff, I don't think he will be gone and I too, enjoy his analysis on the tube OUVan. He does represent the MAC well. His repartee with Benetti on Friday night games this year was really stellar.... BLSoS you seem to have a lot of info on the dust up. I missed that whole thing when I was on SPring BReak. I thought the prof that went after him was a former female swimmer that was a SPorts Psychologist. Didn't care much to look into it when I got back home. Don't know much about the woke crowd. Many have to look that up. First time I remember seeing it was when Dragon said something about it in past years.

Last Edited: 4/18/2021 9:40:58 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 12:14:05 AM

I like Dakich's programs usually. I'm not a regular listener, but it's fun when I catch him. Heard him and Benetti last night on Sirius 84 ES0NU.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 8:59:18 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

BLSoS you seem to have a lot of info on the dust up. I missed that whole thing when I was on SPring BReak. I thought the prof that went after him was a former female swimmer that was a SPorts Psychologist. Didn't care much to look into it when I got back home. Don't know much about the woke crowd. Many have to look that up. First time I remember seeing it was when Dragon said something about it in past years.

I didn't pay any attention at the time, but looked it up after this thread popped up. Prior, it wasn't on my radar at all.

As nearly as I can tell, there are basically two incidents driving the bus here:

1) He went on a rant a while back after a high school in Indiana fired its basketball coach. He called a player on the team a meth head and referred to the town as being infested with meth, crack, and AIDS. I know nothing about the towns of Scottsburg, Indiana. It's entirely possible he's right on all accounts, but were I Dakaich's boss at ESPN I'd be uneasy with him accusing a minor on the radio of meth use.

2) After Jalen Johnson withdrew from Duke to focus on draft prep, Dakish and Seth Davis posted their opinions. A Duke professor quote tweeted both and called them out for their criticisms of Johnson. That's when Dakich shared contact info, etc. of the professor. At the same time, a professor at Ursinus College -- that's the incident you're referring to. During the course of their debate, she challenged him to a swimming contest saying "let's go at it in the pool." He responded by saying, essentially, that a pool is a public place and if they 'go at it' he'd have to divorce his wife. I think the joke there's is that he's interpreting 'go at it' to mean having sex.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 1:06:42 PM

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bornacatfan wrote:

Play stupid games you win stupid prizes. What Dakich did on both occassions was out of line. If he's not back, I bet they still play basketball next year.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 1:40:11 PM

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Play stupid games you win stupid prizes. What Dakich did on both occassions was out of line. If he's not back, I bet they still play basketball next year.

Yeah, exactly. If it makes me part of the "woke brigade" to believe that a public figure on a public platform with a substantial following shouldn't:

a) publicly talk about having sex with a woman he's never met as a response to an argument they were having about compensating college athletes

OR

b) share contact details of a different person who disagreed with him and encourage his listeners to harass somebody

OR

c) Call a minor a meth head, insult an entire town, and threaten to beat up an entire school board because of. . .high school sports

Then I guess I'm part of the woke brigade. I think being an assh*le's generally bad. I guess that's what woke means now?

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 1:51:03 PM

Not trying to defend him but ESPN and the radio station have to bear some responsibility. They want their on-air people to be entertaining and controversial, to a degree. But too often they don't set the parameters or they move the parameters without notice. "I can't tell you what's over the line but I'll know it when I see it." Usually it's when somebody complains. Not very fair.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 2:55:10 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Then I guess I'm part of the woke brigade. I think being an assh*le's generally bad. I guess that's what woke means now?

Those that disagree with you, BLSS, are making Dakich the victim here, which he is not.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 3:06:05 PM

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"I can't tell you what's over the line but I'll know it when I see it." Usually it's when somebody complains. Not very fair.

Respectfully, I think this is a sentiment that sounds true on its face but doesn't actually hold up well to scrutiny. The idea that the line needs to be clearly defined in all cases is both wildly unrealistic and more than a little bit infantilizing. Let's look at the examples involving Dakich. How, exactly, do you write policy on that issue? "Hosts will not accuse minors of illicit drug use?" "Hosts will not publicly discuss the repercussions of having sex with a woman who disagrees with them about NCAA athletic compensation"?

There are endless examples of societal norms that nobody writes out as policy but still hold as reasonable expectations. Almost all employers state rules of conduct in employment agreements, and almost all of them specifically call out that the list of offending behaviors is not comprehensive. That's because creating such a list and comprehensively defining 'the line' in a way that applies in a blanket way is virtually impossible.

What Dakich did in these cases doesn't meet basic societal definitions of decency. He was an assh*le. The notion that the line keeps moving and is confusing may well be true in regards to certain social issues; none of them are relevant here. Dakich's just sort of rude and crossed the line a few times; he's also not popular enough to get away with doing that. That's a bad combo.

If people want to turn this into a general discussion of the issue of cancel culture, I'm totally cool with that. I just don't see how it applied to Dakich at all, and making complaints about the 'woke mob' as a default reaction anytime somebody faces consequences for doing and saying stupid things misses the point entirely.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 5:09:44 PM

Didn�t a BGSU student journalist say Dakich once held his bookbag ransom after he left it in his office after an interview?

About all you need to know about the guy.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 5:48:21 PM

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Yea BLSofS there is a �woke� brigade. Been taking people out/cancelling/silencing them in droves lately.

Woke us a marketing term invented by Twitter and using it unironically just makes you look like a dope.

And I�ll go ahead and say �cancel culture� is a scare parade that�s about as meaningful as politically correct. People just whining about being criticized.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/19/2021 6:26:00 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

"I can't tell you what's over the line but I'll know it when I see it." Usually it's when somebody complains. Not very fair.

Not trying to get into "cancel culture." What Dakich did was wrong. But talk radio, and particularly sports talk radio, management will encourage their on-air people to push the envelope. They'll even sit around making jokes about it because 99% of them are sophomoric goofballs. They only crack down when the people at corporate start panicking when the bottom line is threatened after complaints go public. What was okay with them yesterday suddenly isn't today. It's not a matter of morality, but a matter of dollars and cents. Sure, Dakich is at fault because as an adult he should know better. But the people he works for (theoretically, also adults) also share some blame because they facilitated it. And Dakich is the only one who'll get dinged for it because sh*t only runs downhill. Nothing happens to the guys who let it happen.

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RE: OT: Dakich not expecting to be with ESPN next year

Posted: 4/20/2021 8:58:52 AM

Pataskala wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

"I can't tell you what's over the line but I'll know it when I see it." Usually it's when somebody complains. Not very fair.

I guess? ESPN radio is basically innocuous sports content 99% of the time. Edgy in that context is somebody saying they think Luka Doncic is better than Kevin Durant or whatever. I struggle to think that ESPN created an atmosphere where Dakich's understanding of the job was that they wanted him to call a high school basketball player a meth addict.

As for "what was okay with them yesterday suddenly isn't today": this is true. But only because that's how societies function and progress. There are a lot of things that shouldn't have been accepted yesterday that aren't today. And while the internet magnifies the voice of a minority of people who want to punish every misstep, ultimately the vast, vast majority of people are understanding of those missteps, provided the intent was decent.

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