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Ted Thompson
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  Message Not Read  Home-court Advantage
   Posted: 12/18/2020 8:46:26 PM 

I know there was a discussion in one of the threads about the impact of no crowds on home-court advantage. Ken Pomeroy has an article about it on The Athletic:  Cameron Crash? College basketball’s home-court advantage is way down: KenPom

To summarize his findings, the traditional HCA of 3.58 is down to 2.25 through 277 games this year. Home-foul advantage (HFA) is the biggest compoonent of HCA. The traditional HFA is 2.12. This year's HFA is .78. Foul calls have been less lopsided toward the home team than in the past, suggesting the drop in point differential isn’t a fluke. Even without fans, officials want to please the home team, but not as much as they used to.

This all means that the presence of fans is responsible for about 40 percent of home-court advantage. 

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Home-court Advantage
   Posted: 12/20/2020 7:48:57 AM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
I know there was a discussion in one of the threads about the impact of no crowds on home-court advantage. Ken Pomeroy has an article about it on The Athletic: https://theathletic.com/2268722 /
To summarize his findings, the traditional HCA of 3.58 is down to 2.25 through 277 games this year. Home-foul advantage (HFA) is the biggest compoonent of HCA. The traditional HFA is 2.12. This year's HFA is .78. Foul calls have been less lopsided toward the home team than in the past, suggesting the drop in point differential isn’t a fluke. Even without fans, officials want to please the home team, but not as much as they used to.
This all means that the presence of fans is responsible for about 40 percent of home-court advantage.


I don't think it is soley the fan who is responsible. There has to be some value to the travel factor, sleeping on your own bed, the rims and background of the facility and other familiarities. Questions are raised when you consider a Convo or a Cameron without the students, and why is the home team always the recipient of referee differentials in techs, fouls and advantages compiled in the reports that were published a few years back. I can't figure out whether Coach K is missing the fans and the hometown help from the refs or is his team is really this bad? How do teams like Villanova, Georgetown or others that play in bigger off campus venues fare as they are not in the arenas they practice or play regularly? Does Pomeroy assign home court advantage when those teams are in Philly or DC but are not really home?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Home-court Advantage
   Posted: 12/21/2020 7:56:48 AM 
Very interesting. This passes the sniff test for me. Home field advantage is about 2/3rds just the comforts of home, and the other 3rd is mostly just the refs being human crowd pleasers. I think we like to kid ourselves a lot that fans rattle visiting players and pump up home players but I think this shows fans have little to no effect on players.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Home-court Advantage
   Posted: 12/21/2020 8:58:36 AM 
I remember back in the 1970s Pete Rose being asked if he prefers playing home game or away games. While probably 99% of MLB players would have chosen home games (for reasons given in previous posts) Pete answered away games. And his reason was something only Pete would have thought about - but it makes sense. Always thinking about adding to his hit total he reasoned that home teams don't bat in the 9th inning when leading (which his Big Red Machine did a majority of the time). He figured that he may have missed around 20 at bats per season because of this.

Rose took a talk show on tour a few summers ago and my son and I attended when he came to Newark. We had the opportunity of having some one-on-one time before his show and I asked him this question. He smiled and gave the same answer from 40 years ago.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Home-court Advantage
   Posted: 12/21/2020 9:22:15 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
...home teams don't bat in the 9th inning when leading


I admit that sometimes when my son's travel baseball team (which I head coach) is in a tournament and we get paired up against a very good regional team...if we win the coin toss, I select the away team for this reason. They will have one less chance at the plate to pummel us, and I have one less inning to cover with my pitchers to save them for the more winnable games coming up. I of course do not disclose this reasoning to my team.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Home-court Advantage
   Posted: 12/21/2020 12:30:59 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
...home teams don't bat in the 9th inning when leading


I admit that sometimes when my son's travel baseball team (which I head coach) is in a tournament and we get paired up against a very good regional team...if we win the coin toss, I select the away team for this reason. They will have one less chance at the plate to pummel us, and I have one less inning to cover with my pitchers to save them for the more winnable games coming up. I of course do not disclose this reasoning to my team.


I was just going to post the same thing! I am currently the coach of the rising 11 year old team and I do this a lot in pool play of tournaments. Saves pitching innings to be used later and runs allowed is usually the first tie breaker for seeding after head to head. So if you end up losing at least there is some benefit.

Well done coach!

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