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Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/7/2020 10:16:36 AM  Good for Will! Back to Top Bobcat61 General User Member Since: 5/24/2005 Post Count: 238 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/7/2020 10:16:38 PM  Great ass’t coaches Good ass’t coaches Poor ass’t coaches with names that get you jobs Tell me which got the Green Bay job Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,168 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/7/2020 10:37:26 PM  Bobcat61 wrote: Great ass’t coaches Good ass’t coaches Poor ass’t coaches with names that get you jobs Tell me which got the Green Bay job I think only time will answer your question. If he is a successful head coach, he will be looked on as a successful assistant who rose in the ranks and was worthy of the promotion. If he's not successful as a head coach folks will say he was never cut out to be a head coach and will question whether he just got the job because of connections. Hindsight is always perfect in these kinds of matters. I'm reminded of my own tangential involvement in the hiring of Cleve Bryant. I was one of the first to suggest to the AD that we had this alumnus who had been a fabulous football player for OHIO, was now a great assistant coach at North Carolina, where he was credited with several recruiting coups, and would be one of the first black head coaches in Division 1 (second or third, if memory serves). I could see no downside to hiring this man as our head football coach. Well, hindsight paints a far different picture. If Cleve had, indeed, been a great head coach and OHIO had won championships with him at the helm (and he hadn't had off-the-field issues), I would have been a coach scouting genius. As it is, I belong in the Hall of Shame for Alumni Stupidity. [Let me ad, that the AD was smart enough to ignore my phone calls and memos and personal discussion and to recommend the hiring to Glenn Mason, only to be overruled by President Ping.) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,942 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 6:46:15 AM  Sounds like your involvement in destroying Ohio football for a generation was more than merely tangential. Perhaps you were really working on behalf your beloved Herd? Was the Killarney Bowl your idea, BTW? Still sore about that one. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 9:09:49 AM  Bobcat61 wrote: Great ass’t coaches Good ass’t coaches Poor ass’t coaches with names that get you jobs Tell me which got the Green Bay job That's a huge jump after one year as a head coach at a .500 D2 school. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,168 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 10:38:12 AM  SBH wrote: Sounds like your involvement in destroying Ohio football for a generation was more than merely tangential. Perhaps you were really working on behalf your beloved Herd? Was the Killarney Bowl your idea, BTW? Still sore about that one. All seriousness aside, as Steve Allen used to say, I too was signed up for the Irish Potato Famine Bowl (or whatever it was to be called). I will say to this day I'm grateful to President Ping for refunding our deposit from private university funds (not state dollars) even though they got nothing back from the huckster who had promoted the concept. My wife and I took the refund and scheduled a trip to Germany instead. We've yet to make it Ireland, one of my ancestral homes. I would personally be much sorer about it if the university hadn't refunded our money. Last Edited: 6/8/2020 10:39:24 AM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,853 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 11:00:57 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: Sounds like your involvement in destroying Ohio football for a generation was more than merely tangential. Perhaps you were really working on behalf your beloved Herd? Was the Killarney Bowl your idea, BTW? Still sore about that one. All seriousness aside, as Steve Allen used to say, I too was signed up for the Irish Potato Famine Bowl (or whatever it was to be called). I will say to this day I'm grateful to President Ping for refunding our deposit from private university funds (not state dollars) even though they got nothing back from the huckster who had promoted the concept. My wife and I took the refund and scheduled a trip to Germany instead. We've yet to make it Ireland, one of my ancestral homes. I would personally be much sorer about it if the university hadn't refunded our money. Can't say I've ever heard of this. Some sort of fraudulent football game to be played in Ireland? Ohio-The State University Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,942 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 12:39:58 PM  A sad, embarrassing tale of malpractice by the OU Alumni Association and Ohio Athletics during the reign of Hank McElhaney - an AD who had a huge Duke University banner on the wall of his office in the Convo. We were to play Ball State in Killarney, Ireland. Multiple participants warned that the promoter was not fulfilling his responsibilities after accepting our payments yet both universities ignored the warnings. Eight days from departure they learned he had run off with the money and had never even put deposits on the flights and hotel. A Ball State alum died of a massive stroke when he was informed of the news by telephone. I finally did make it to Ireland two years ago - what an unbelievable place. If the Orange Menace somehow gets re-elected, I'm going to move there. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 3:57:29 PM  SBH wrote: A sad, embarrassing tale of malpractice by the OU Alumni Association and Ohio Athletics during the reign of Hank McElhaney - an AD who had a huge Duke University banner on the wall of his office in the Convo. We were to play Ball State in Killarney, Ireland. Multiple participants warned that the promoter was not fulfilling his responsibilities after accepting our payments yet both universities ignored the warnings. Eight days from departure they learned he had run off with the money and had never even put deposits on the flights and hotel. A Ball State alum died of a massive stroke when he was informed of the news by telephone. I finally did make it to Ireland two years ago - what an unbelievable place. If the Orange Menace somehow gets re-elected, I'm going to move there. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/03/sports/college-footbal... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,168 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 4:21:13 PM  Alan Swank wrote: SBH wrote: A sad, embarrassing tale of malpractice by the OU Alumni Association and Ohio Athletics during the reign of Hank McElhaney - an AD who had a huge Duke University banner on the wall of his office in the Convo. We were to play Ball State in Killarney, Ireland. Multiple participants warned that the promoter was not fulfilling his responsibilities after accepting our payments yet both universities ignored the warnings. Eight days from departure they learned he had run off with the money and had never even put deposits on the flights and hotel. A Ball State alum died of a massive stroke when he was informed of the news by telephone. I finally did make it to Ireland two years ago - what an unbelievable place. If the Orange Menace somehow gets re-elected, I'm going to move there. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/03/sports/college-footbal... Not exactly the full story! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,882 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 4:34:28 PM  It is hard to deny that Will Ryan's name played a big role in getting this job. But given it is at a UW branch school, it is a reasonable argument that it is a smart move for both them and Will. More power to them both. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,796 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 8:59:36 PM  Happy to see him land the gig. Hope he does well and can get a solid staff around him and go win some ballgames Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,808 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 9:48:47 PM  SBH wrote: Sounds like your involvement in destroying Ohio football for a generation was more than merely tangential. Perhaps you were really working on behalf your beloved Herd? Was the Killarney Bowl your idea, BTW? Still sore about that one. I still have a Killarney Bowl T-Shirt Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/8/2020 10:03:42 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: SBH wrote: A sad, embarrassing tale of malpractice by the OU Alumni Association and Ohio Athletics during the reign of Hank McElhaney - an AD who had a huge Duke University banner on the wall of his office in the Convo. We were to play Ball State in Killarney, Ireland. Multiple participants warned that the promoter was not fulfilling his responsibilities after accepting our payments yet both universities ignored the warnings. Eight days from departure they learned he had run off with the money and had never even put deposits on the flights and hotel. A Ball State alum died of a massive stroke when he was informed of the news by telephone. I finally did make it to Ireland two years ago - what an unbelievable place. If the Orange Menace somehow gets re-elected, I'm going to move there. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/03/sports/college-footbal... Not exactly the full story! Here's some more about it: https://overthepylon.boards.net/thread/3309/tell-me-1990-... https://www.youtube.com/embed/9nHOhO93r14 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,168 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/9/2020 10:45:09 AM  Alan Swank wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: SBH wrote: A sad, embarrassing tale of malpractice by the OU Alumni Association and Ohio Athletics during the reign of Hank McElhaney - an AD who had a huge Duke University banner on the wall of his office in the Convo. We were to play Ball State in Killarney, Ireland. Multiple participants warned that the promoter was not fulfilling his responsibilities after accepting our payments yet both universities ignored the warnings. Eight days from departure they learned he had run off with the money and had never even put deposits on the flights and hotel. A Ball State alum died of a massive stroke when he was informed of the news by telephone. I finally did make it to Ireland two years ago - what an unbelievable place. If the Orange Menace somehow gets re-elected, I'm going to move there. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/03/sports/college-footbal... Not exactly the full story! Here's some more about it: https://overthepylon.boards.net/thread/3309/tell-me-1990-... https://www.youtube.com/embed/9nHOhO93r14 Still no details on the scandals involved, and how the scam artist was able to pull this off. As I recall, the university was never able to recovery any money from him. Perhaps they did years later, and I missed that followup story. Last Edited: 6/9/2020 10:45:42 AM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,424 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/9/2020 12:24:03 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: Sounds like your involvement in destroying Ohio football for a generation was more than merely tangential. Perhaps you were really working on behalf your beloved Herd? Was the Killarney Bowl your idea, BTW? Still sore about that one. All seriousness aside, as Steve Allen used to say, I too was signed up for the Irish Potato Famine Bowl (or whatever it was to be called). I will say to this day I'm grateful to President Ping for refunding our deposit from private university funds (not state dollars) even though they got nothing back from the huckster who had promoted the concept. My wife and I took the refund and scheduled a trip to Germany instead. We've yet to make it Ireland, one of my ancestral homes. I would personally be much sorer about it if the university hadn't refunded our money. I still have the t-shirt from that bowl---didn't choose to go but a friend working a summer job found a trove of them squirreled away a year or so later. "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,168 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/9/2020 12:49:56 PM  oldkatz wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: SBH wrote: Sounds like your involvement in destroying Ohio football for a generation was more than merely tangential. Perhaps you were really working on behalf your beloved Herd? Was the Killarney Bowl your idea, BTW? Still sore about that one. All seriousness aside, as Steve Allen used to say, I too was signed up for the Irish Potato Famine Bowl (or whatever it was to be called). I will say to this day I'm grateful to President Ping for refunding our deposit from private university funds (not state dollars) even though they got nothing back from the huckster who had promoted the concept. My wife and I took the refund and scheduled a trip to Germany instead. We've yet to make it Ireland, one of my ancestral homes. I would personally be much sorer about it if the university hadn't refunded our money. I still have the t-shirt from that bowl---didn't choose to go but a friend working a summer job found a trove of them squirreled away a year or so later. What a classic! ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,942 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/9/2020 3:59:55 PM  It would have been nice if they had at least sent the victims a t-shirt. I would have saved it for posterity. Following the trip cancellation, I left several messages for Harold McElhaney but received no reply. So a few weeks later, after the 'Cats had lost in embarrassing fashion at Youngstown State, I tracked him down outside the stadium and really lit into him. He later sent me a note of apology. I and other alums had been warning the AD and Alumni Assn that the promoter was not properly crediting our payments and had not provided travel documents. They told us not to worry about it - they were monitoring the situation very closely. Obviously not true. A lot of amateurs in Athens back then. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,969 Status: Offline     RE: Will Ryan to UW-Green Bay    Posted: 6/15/2020 10:38:46 AM  I am very, very disappointed that this story had not been told earlier on this board. At the time disappointing, I’m sure. With time, pretty hilarious. And a South Florida promoter during the tail end of the Miami Vice cocaine days. What could possibly go wrong? 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