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Heading to double overtime now. I can't remember a more explosive player in the MAC than Kent's Antonio Williams. He catches lobs, breaks his man down in the halfcourt for two handed jams all at only 6'0". I'm convinced now however that unless you're a top 25 team, the mid major student section is dead. The teams are each a respectable 17-9 vying for tournament seeding. It's primetime on national TV and these students are sitting on their hands. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/21/2020 9:35:25 PM  shabamon wrote: This game has been awesome. A real high scoring boxing match with both teams making the clutch plays that winning MAC teams make. Heading to double overtime now. I can't remember a more explosive player in the MAC than Kent's Antonio Williams. He catches lobs, breaks his man down in the halfcourt for two handed jams all at only 6'0". I'm convinced now however that unless you're a top 25 team, the mid major student section is dead. The teams are each a respectable 17-9 vying for tournament seeding. It's primetime on national TV and these students are sitting on their hands. First of all it's a Friday night. Secondly, the term national TV doesn't mean what it used to. I live in Athens and I just watched Yale and Cornell. That's national. Just because you don't stand up the whole game doesn't mean you're not into it. Not every song is Free Bird. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,435 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/21/2020 9:40:41 PM  ESPN2 still has more cachet to your average sports viewer than ESPN3. And I'm not commenting on the attendance on a Friday night- there are people in the building. The kids could be having fun, but I see no cohesive unit chanting Defense or Let's Go Flashes when the time is right. Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,042 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/22/2020 9:12:06 AM  MACtion on the hardwood! I went to see the Bobcats Saturday at Kent. It was a very nice size crowd. A problem I noticed was that at action stops the show producers took over and honored some group. Or the dance team came out to there own dance music and not supplied by the Kent Pep band. The band seemed to only have a chance to play at three action stops the whole game! Compare that to the old days when a timeout or overtime occurred the band would be blowing and banging so loudly that it was deafening! All you could do was stand up and cheer. Get rid of all productions after the 10 minute mark of the second half and let the bands do there thing and see if it doesn’t raise the participation/enthusiasm in exciting games. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,168 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/23/2020 1:22:28 PM  MonroeClassmate wrote: . . .Get rid of all productions after the 10 minute mark of the second half and let the bands do there thing and see if it doesn’t raise the participation/enthusiasm in exciting games. . This seems like a good idea to me. I suppose it would be hard to implement, but it's worth considering nonetheless. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/24/2020 10:39:01 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: MonroeClassmate wrote: . . .Get rid of all productions after the 10 minute mark of the second half and let the bands do there thing and see if it doesn’t raise the participation/enthusiasm in exciting games. . This seems like a good idea to me. I suppose it would be hard to implement, but it's worth considering nonetheless. I would love to have a poll run, divided up among age groups, to see what the opinions are about the perceived excitement provided by pep bands during timeouts. They're more exciting than the sponsor driven productions, yes, but are they more exciting than music and entertainment driven by video boards? Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/24/2020 10:41:49 AM  shabamon wrote: ESPN2 still has more cachet to your average sports viewer than ESPN3. And I'm not commenting on the attendance on a Friday night- there are people in the building. The kids could be having fun, but I see no cohesive unit chanting Defense or Let's Go Flashes when the time is right. I would point something out here by asking this: How many students went to basketball games in high school, and did this very thing? I did, and never missed a game. I get the impression that in 2019-2020, that high school students don't go to basketball and football games anymore. That has a huge bearing on how they support their college when the time comes. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,211 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/24/2020 4:23:44 PM  OU_Country wrote: I would love to have a poll run, divided up among age groups, to see what the opinions are about the perceived excitement provided by pep bands during timeouts. They're more exciting than the sponsor driven productions, yes, but are they more exciting than music and entertainment driven by video boards? When considering this topic, I like to compare the in-game atmospheres at NBA games v. MSL games. I'm a fan of both. The NBA for over 40 years; the MSL (and soccer in general) for about 10 years. And there is no comparison. Give me the organic, fan-led noise/cheering at an MSL game v. the piped-in "noise" generated by an "emcee" at NBA games. And I'm afraid that this artificial atmosphere produced by NBA teams has been copied more and more by colleges. Include me in the group, led by Alan Swank, that considers pep band > piped-in music. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/24/2020 7:19:42 PM  Looks like one (okay two since Alan was spoken for) reply in the straw poll for the pep band approach. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,430 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/24/2020 10:25:19 PM  We reached a point of no return with the NBA. The Knicks tried a game without piped-in stuff: https://www.businessinsider.com/knicks-warriors-hated-no-... "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/25/2020 11:33:53 AM  JSF wrote: We reached a point of no return with the NBA. The Knicks tried a game without piped-in stuff: https://www.businessinsider.com/knicks-warriors-hated-no-... Draymond Green's reaction was....very Draymond like - over the top. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/25/2020 5:14:06 PM  OU_Country wrote: Looks like one (okay two since Alan was spoken for) reply in the straw poll for the pep band approach. It also depends on the "pep" band. I don't consider the 110 a pep band in the traditional sense of the word. Give me the full rendition of Long Train over any video board any day of the week. Plus, right now the speakers in the Convo are crackling like a bug zapper. That happened a few years ago and for some reason it has returned. Listen tonight and see if you hear it. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: Kent/Buffalo    Posted: 2/25/2020 5:19:09 PM  MonroeClassmate wrote: MACtion on the hardwood! I went to see the Bobcats Saturday at Kent. It was a very nice size crowd. A problem I noticed was that at action stops the show producers took over and honored some group. Or the dance team came out to there own dance music and not supplied by the Kent Pep band. The band seemed to only have a chance to play at three action stops the whole game! Compare that to the old days when a timeout or overtime occurred the band would be blowing and banging so loudly that it was deafening! All you could do was stand up and cheer. Get rid of all productions after the 10 minute mark of the second half and let the bands do there thing and see if it doesn’t raise the participation/enthusiasm in exciting games. I apologize for the length but here is a section of the letter that I sent to Schaus last year when he called for suggestions on improving the fan experience. Game flow is a problematic area when we are trying to create spirit and enthusiasm and a home court advantage. Thank you for getting rid of “stand for defense.” As a former athlete and coach, that practice would have served as great motivation for my team and me to score as quickly as possible to “sit those folks down” or to deliver a common 70’s statement – “in your face.” I’m afraid “Roar to 1804” is as equally ineffective except for those wanting a cheap hot dog. Having subbed as a volleyball announcer, I’m aware of the requirements of the game script/log especially as it pertains to promotions and advertisements which are a large part of the necessary revenue stream for your department. There have been many times though when adherence to the script has actually killed the spirit and enthusiasm and home court advantage that we are trying to build. I didn’t take notes of the specific games or times in the games this year, but on more than one occasion, the Bobcats battled back to make a game close, tie the game or go ahead and the other team was forced to call a time out or a dead ball and the resulting media time out resulted in a stoppage in play. Either a pre-scheduled promotion was trotted out, a scripted announcement was made, or a recorded song was played when a blaring tune by the 110 or a more appropriate recorded song could have been played thus building on crowd noise and enthusiasm as opposed to fans returning to their seated position in their seats. A well-trained technical director who understands the ebb and flow of the game would be a huge step in improving the in-game experience. There were too many occasions where the 110 and the DJ/sound board operator were in conflict. Speaking of music, the promo of guessing the bands that have played in the Convo in the first 50 years was a very good one. There’s a reason it’s called Classic music. It’s stood the test of time and appeals to many audience demographics. It also helped this year that the new sound system is far better than the previous one. Even at decibel levels in excess of 95 dB, the music was crisp and clear. 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