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   Posted: 12/6/2019 9:26:09 AM 
I've noticed several references in other discussions on the board about the inclusion of lower division teams as part of our schedule. I thought I'd comment about it myself in the form of a general thread about what suggestions could be made about the schedule going forward.

I think such a game every year is a good idea; particularly if, as I believe OCF said in one of the other threads, it is a team in our area such as Rio or Marietta. I would also include Shawnee State in the group, and, perhaps even Ohio Dominican and Otterbein. These games could be on an annual, somewhat rotational basis.

I think another opportunity to improve the regional fan base would be to include one game a year at a branch campus, hopefully against a low-major D1 opponent, that can accommodate a game. For instance, I believe OU-Chillicothe's Shoemaker Center seats in the neighborhood of 3500 people and the OU Eastern facility about the same. These games might be a one-time deal at each location, or, if successful, done over multiple years. For comparison, BG's Stroh Center seats about 4400 for basketball.

I think the branch campus idea would help those students feel that are indeed part of the university. It would also enable the communities to host a much different kind of event than they are accustomed to and it could be exciting and very successful.

Thoughts? (Including from Athenians of course). ;)
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   Posted: 12/6/2019 9:37:04 AM 
Love the branch campus idea, I am sure it would create some work and inconveniences but nothing that couldn't be dealt with for 1 game per year. And actually, I would pair it with your first point about the local D3 schools. That way the Convo isn't subjected to these low quality opponents, not to mention if we are going to give up the comforts of a true home game we want to make sure it is against a team that can't beat us no matter where we play.

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   Posted: 12/6/2019 9:40:19 AM 
The branch campus idea is interesting, but I wouldn't count on getting any type of response from their students as they are typically commuters. Most just want to take their classes and then go home. I definitely wouldn't do that while classes are in session so as not to steal a game from our own students.

If we are committed to one regular season non-D1 school, I don't think it has to be someone all that close unless the team has a real fanbase, like Marietta. I know Rio brought about three rows of fans, but for our fanbase, does it move the needle at all if we had played Ohio Northern, for instance.
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   Posted: 12/6/2019 9:51:00 AM 
I like scheduling a regional team because often they have players that played their high school ball in SE Ohio. It was cool to see players from Minford, River Valley and South Webster on the floor against our Bobcats Wednesday night and I think that probably helped our crowd a little with their families and friends in attendance.

Last Edited: 12/6/2019 9:51:43 AM by boydhallbobcat
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   Posted: 12/6/2019 3:31:08 PM 
Don’t have any problem with local colleges as exhibitions (like Marshall did with Rio Grande) but still not sold on them as games that count. This year with all the turnover might be a one time thing, we‘ll see what happens in the future.’
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   Posted: 12/6/2019 4:20:02 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Don’t have any problem with local colleges as exhibitions (like Marshall did with Rio Grande) but still not sold on them as games that count.


^^Agree with this^^

As far as playing "local" schools: I can't think of why we don't play Marshall every year. Would be beneficial to both programs, I would think. In fact, I wouldn't mind playing them home-and-home every season, like Toledo is doing this year and Ohio has done in the past.
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   Posted: 12/6/2019 5:26:02 PM 
shabamon wrote:
The branch campus idea is interesting, but I wouldn't count on getting any type of response from their students as they are typically commuters. Most just want to take their classes and then go home. I definitely wouldn't do that while classes are in session so as not to steal a game from our own students.

If we are committed to one regular season non-D1 school, I don't think it has to be someone all that close unless the team has a real fanbase, like Marietta. I know Rio brought about three rows of fans, but for our fanbase, does it move the needle at all if we had played Ohio Northern, for instance.


I have to comment on the “steal a game from our own students” they are all Ohio University students whether in Athens, Chillicothe, St. Clairsville, Lancaster or the Southern campus. Their diplomas will say Ohio University just like yours and mine.
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   Posted: 12/6/2019 5:44:06 PM 
David E Brightbill wrote:
shabamon wrote:
The branch campus idea is interesting, but I wouldn't count on getting any type of response from their students as they are typically commuters. Most just want to take their classes and then go home. I definitely wouldn't do that while classes are in session so as not to steal a game from our own students.

If we are committed to one regular season non-D1 school, I don't think it has to be someone all that close unless the team has a real fanbase, like Marietta. I know Rio brought about three rows of fans, but for our fanbase, does it move the needle at all if we had played Ohio Northern, for instance.


I have to comment on the “steal a game from our own students” they are all Ohio University students whether in Athens, Chillicothe, St. Clairsville, Lancaster or the Southern campus. Their diplomas will say Ohio University just like yours and mine.


While the diplomas may all say Ohio University, Do student fees from the branch campus students help subsidize athletics in Athens? (Serious question because I don’t know the answer)

Last Edited: 12/6/2019 5:45:03 PM by Eagle66
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   Posted: 12/7/2019 12:52:52 AM 
Eagle66 wrote:
David E Brightbill wrote:
shabamon wrote:
The branch campus idea is interesting, but I wouldn't count on getting any type of response from their students as they are typically commuters. Most just want to take their classes and then go home. I definitely wouldn't do that while classes are in session so as not to steal a game from our own students.

If we are committed to one regular season non-D1 school, I don't think it has to be someone all that close unless the team has a real fanbase, like Marietta. I know Rio brought about three rows of fans, but for our fanbase, does it move the needle at all if we had played Ohio Northern, for instance.


I have to comment on the “steal a game from our own students” they are all Ohio University students whether in Athens, Chillicothe, St. Clairsville, Lancaster or the Southern campus. Their diplomas will say Ohio University just like yours and mine.


While the diplomas may all say Ohio University, Do student fees from the branch campus students help subsidize athletics in Athens? (Serious question because I don’t know the answer)


The last time I looked the answer was yes, and they also helped to pay off the Ping Center bonds.

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   Posted: 12/9/2019 10:21:01 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Don’t have any problem with local colleges as exhibitions (like Marshall did with Rio Grande) but still not sold on them as games that count.


^^Agree with this^^

As far as playing "local" schools: I can't think of why we don't play Marshall every year. Would be beneficial to both programs, I would think. In fact, I wouldn't mind playing them home-and-home every season, like Toledo is doing this year and Ohio has done in the past.


Agreed. Who wouldn't enjoy seeing Marshall on the schedule twice in lieu of Tennessee Tech or Heidelberg?
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   Posted: 12/9/2019 1:38:06 PM 
Agreed OU-Country and I would say try to get Dayton on the schedule. I doubt Dayton would travel to Athens, but it wouldn't hurt to make an offer. Playing Dayton and others like them away and winning is the only way to gain an NCAA bid, if Ohio doesn't win the league tournament.
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   Posted: 12/9/2019 8:33:50 PM 
Dayton was willing to do 1 for 1 a few years ago but Schaus nixed it because it was on a date the students were not in town.

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   Posted: 12/10/2019 5:14:32 AM 
It was because of finals week.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 5:41:49 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Dayton was willing to do 1 for 1 a few years ago but Schaus nixed it because it was on a date the students were not in town.


LMAO
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 12:52:19 PM 
I'll take the satellite campuses a step further:

-If you're not going to get the commuter students in for the game, how about pairing an Ohio game with a couple of local high schools for a double or triple-header? There are some great basketball schools in the area that travel well and would probably fill the stands enough to make it worth it.

-This is also a pretty good idea for those home games while students are out town and/or while football is still playing and the crowd is low. Schedule some high schools to play in the Convo on the same day as the Bobcats. Worth a shot, though the logistics for all of this would probably be hell.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 12:58:12 PM 
Good idea GoCats. Not sure if the university would agree to it, but it is a nice idea. Ohio usually plays a Saturday game or two in December and those games are usually not well attended. Maybe bringing in a few local high school teams to play before or after would bolster attendance.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 1:41:15 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Dayton was willing to do 1 for 1 a few years ago but Schaus nixed it because it was on a date the students were not in town.


LMAO


It was stated at a Caravan stop in Saul's...I'm guessing here, 2nd or 3rd year maybe? Not that finals week isn't a valid reason not to, but given the short distance, one would think it could have been worked out.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 1:52:46 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Agreed OU-Country and I would say try to get Dayton on the schedule. I doubt Dayton would travel to Athens, but it wouldn't hurt to make an offer. Playing Dayton and others like them away and winning is the only way to gain an NCAA bid, if Ohio doesn't win the league tournament.


Without belaboring the scheduling conversation again too much, I just would love to see games against other mid-majors on the schedule on a 1-for-1 basis that would be possible to travel to on the away leg of the agreement. Places like: Marshall (as mentioned), Duquesne, Cleveland State, Wright State, NKU, IPFW, (gulp) Robert Morris, EKU, WKU, Oakland, James Madison, Valpo, Charlotte, ODU, William & Mary....I can go on and on. The point is, at the very least, those schools, on a Saturday, are drive-able for a long weekend, and they are a D1 opponent that might garner fan interest.

There is zero allure to watching a regular season game against Heidleburg or Rio Grande for me. For me, if they're going to play those games at home, they might as well play a buy game on the road instead.

This is an area I'm hopeful we'll see some change in with Boals and Cromer leading the way.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 2:48:30 PM 
I would just say this about the branch campus idea, from my perspective...that of a parent of a young child who loves going to the Convo and husband to a wife who almost never misses a home game. We feel like a home game is already being taken from us (so to speak) by a 9PM tipoff in the Purdue game on a Tuesday night. We understand getting on national TV is great exposure, but scheduling that game that late on a week night effectively scheduled us out of attending. If you move a home game to a branch campus and now force us to drive an hour instead of 5-7 minutes to reach what is a "home" game, I know a large group of fans (including us) who likely won't go. Basically, don't expect all of the season ticket holders to want to travel a lot more to, as noted, watch us play Rio. Pick your poison, it might be great for a small handful of branch campus students to feel a part of the university, but it also might alienate a large group of fans for the game who would otherwise be there.

I might be in the minority in this perspective, but that's where I am.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 3:14:27 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Dayton was willing to do 1 for 1 a few years ago but Schaus nixed it because it was on a date the students were not in town.


LMAO


It was stated at a Caravan stop in Saul's...I'm guessing here, 2nd or 3rd year maybe? Not that finals week isn't a valid reason not to, but given the short distance, one would think it could have been worked out.


Lot of things are stated that are not true. If Schaus cared so much about the students being in town then why did he put the Purdue game over break with zero students in town?

Last Edited: 12/10/2019 3:14:53 PM by BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 5:15:07 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Dayton was willing to do 1 for 1 a few years ago but Schaus nixed it because it was on a date the students were not in town.


LMAO


It was stated at a Caravan stop in Saul's...I'm guessing here, 2nd or 3rd year maybe? Not that finals week isn't a valid reason not to, but given the short distance, one would think it could have been worked out.


Lot of things are stated that are not true. If Schaus cared so much about the students being in town then why did he put the Purdue game over break with zero students in town?


Don't get me started on Schaus. I'll leave it at that fact that I'm glad he moved on.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 6:52:29 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
I would just say this about the branch campus idea, from my perspective...that of a parent of a young child who loves going to the Convo and husband to a wife who almost never misses a home game. We feel like a home game is already being taken from us (so to speak) by a 9PM tipoff in the Purdue game on a Tuesday night. We understand getting on national TV is great exposure, but scheduling that game that late on a week night effectively scheduled us out of attending. If you move a home game to a branch campus and now force us to drive an hour instead of 5-7 minutes to reach what is a "home" game, I know a large group of fans (including us) who likely won't go. Basically, don't expect all of the season ticket holders to want to travel a lot more to, as noted, watch us play Rio. Pick your poison, it might be great for a small handful of branch campus students to feel a part of the university, but it also might alienate a large group of fans for the game who would otherwise be there.

I might be in the minority in this perspective, but that's where I am.


Gee I have to travel over an hour for all home games and almost never miss.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 7:07:02 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Dayton was willing to do 1 for 1 a few years ago but Schaus nixed it because it was on a date the students were not in town.


LMAO


It was stated at a Caravan stop in Saul's...I'm guessing here, 2nd or 3rd year maybe? Not that finals week isn't a valid reason not to, but given the short distance, one would think it could have been worked out.


Lot of things are stated that are not true. If Schaus cared so much about the students being in town then why did he put the Purdue game over break with zero students in town?


What's funny is that you think he just had the whole calendar to pick from and deliberately chose a date without students in town.
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 8:31:03 PM 
"Without belaboring the scheduling conversation again too much, I just would love to see games against other mid-majors on the schedule on a 1-for-1 basis that would be possible to travel to on the away leg of the agreement. Places like: Marshall (as mentioned), Duquesne, Cleveland State, Wright State, NKU, IPFW, (gulp) Robert Morris, EKU, WKU, Oakland, James Madison, Valpo, Charlotte, ODU, William & Mary....I can go on and on. The point is, at the very least, those schools, on a Saturday, are drive-able for a long weekend, and they are a D1 opponent that might garner fan interest.

There is zero allure to watching a regular season game against Heidleburg or Rio Grande for me. For me, if they're going to play those games at home, they might as well play a buy game on the road instead.

This is an area I'm hopeful we'll see some change in with Boals and Cromer leading the way."

You nailed it OU_Country. Couldn't agree more! Rio, Wilbenforce, Heidelberg and some of these other games need to go. Play Dayton or Xavier on the road for a money game. Bobcat fans will travel.

Last Edited: 12/10/2019 8:34:17 PM by Bobcat1996
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   Posted: 12/10/2019 10:40:42 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
Dayton was willing to do 1 for 1 a few years ago but Schaus nixed it because it was on a date the students were not in town.


LMAO


It was stated at a Caravan stop in Saul's...I'm guessing here, 2nd or 3rd year maybe? Not that finals week isn't a valid reason not to, but given the short distance, one would think it could have been worked out.


Lot of things are stated that are not true. If Schaus cared so much about the students being in town then why did he put the Purdue game over break with zero students in town?


What's funny is that you think he just had the whole calendar to pick from and deliberately chose a date without students in town.


Nope, and you obviously missed the point. The point is the Dayton thing was never real, and the reason is silly! Purdue > Dayton, the poster said we wouldn’t play a 1-1 with Dayton because of students, but we will play Purdue? Makes no sense, but also because it’s simply not true.
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