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Ted Thompson
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  Message Not Read  Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 12:33:48 AM 

Use this thread to talk about anything game-related.

Date: November 9th, 2019 1:00 PM

Opponent: Heidelberg  (0-0)

Site: Convocation Center

TV: None

Radio: Ohio Radio or TuneIn Radio

Webcast: ESPN3

Heidelberg statistics, roster and media guide.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 12:24:44 PM 
They have 20 players listed on their roster. We may need to add some seats to the players bench.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 12:36:08 PM 
Jim Bob wrote:
They have 20 players listed on their roster. We may need to add some seats to the players bench.


That's because these universities entire existence is built on promising a "collegiate athletic career" to anyone and everyone. It's really sad.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 12:55:00 PM 
Jim Bob wrote:
They have 20 players listed on their roster. We may need to add some seats to the players bench.


And like most D3/NAIA teams, half of them are guys under 6'2'' who look like they couldn't lift a gallon of milk.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 12:57:19 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
They have 20 players listed on their roster. We may need to add some seats to the players bench.


And like most D3/NAIA teams, half of them are guys under 6'2'' who look like they couldn't lift a gallon of milk.



Good game for Nate to bang down low...ha!


#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 1:02:21 PM 
Loved how the St. Bonnie announcer on ESPN+ told his viewing audience that Ohio's Saturday opponent is "Heed-dul-berg".

Not unlike longtime Columbus TV announcer Dom Tiberi pronouncing Creighton as "Kree-ton".

Or the wife of one of BA's more prolific and controversial posters pronouncing that college in Pittsburgh, PA, as "Doo-Kwez-knee."

Last Edited: 11/7/2019 4:51:53 PM by bobcatsquared
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 1:41:43 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
They have 20 players listed on their roster. We may need to add some seats to the players bench.


That's because these universities entire existence is built on promising a "collegiate athletic career" to anyone and everyone. It's really sad.


I was recruited by a similar school, Urbana, and can tell you this pretty spot on. Most of those 20 guys will probably play in their version of Junior Varsity and not see real game action until their Junior or Senior year if they even make it that far.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 4:00:54 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
They have 20 players listed on their roster. We may need to add some seats to the players bench.


That's because these universities entire existence is built on promising a "collegiate athletic career" to anyone and everyone. It's really sad.


I was recruited by a similar school, Urbana, and can tell you this pretty spot on. Most of those 20 guys will probably play in their version of Junior Varsity and not see real game action until their Junior or Senior year if they even make it that far.


I talked to 2 guys who became friends/roommates at Capital as they both went there to play football. There were SIXTY freshmen on the team...they only played one year never seeing game action...but stayed at Capital all 4 years left with all of the 6 figure bill. It's a joke.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 5:30:51 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
They have 20 players listed on their roster. We may need to add some seats to the players bench.


That's because these universities entire existence is built on promising a "collegiate athletic career" to anyone and everyone. It's really sad.


I was recruited by a similar school, Urbana, and can tell you this pretty spot on. Most of those 20 guys will probably play in their version of Junior Varsity and not see real game action until their Junior or Senior year if they even make it that far.


I talked to 2 guys who became friends/roommates at Capital as they both went there to play football. There were SIXTY freshmen on the team...they only played one year never seeing game action...but stayed at Capital all 4 years left with all of the 6 figure bill. It's a joke.


One of the recruiting "pitches" at Urbana was that almost everyone on campus played a sport. That was alarming.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/7/2019 6:28:32 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I talked to 2 guys who became friends/roommates at Capital as they both went there to play football. There were SIXTY freshmen on the team...they only played one year never seeing game action...but stayed at Capital all 4 years left with all of the 6 figure bill. It's a joke.


Adding to the joke is that Capital lost 3 consecutive games recently by an aggregate score of 205-0, including one 90-0 nailbiter (and no, not to Mt. Union).
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:02:39 AM 
Copied from The Post:

The game

Where: Cintas Center, 6:30 p.m.

How to watch: ESPN3

How to listen: Ohio IMG Sports Network


Got the part about how to watch and listen correct. Two out of 3 ain't bad, I guess.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:05:14 AM 
Got it, thanks. See everyone tomorrow at the Rose Bowl.

The same article says Marvin Price is expected to be available.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:35:05 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Loved how the St. Bonnie announcer on ESPN+ told his viewing audience that Ohio's Saturday opponent is "Heed-dul-berg".

Not unlike longtime Columbus TV announcer Dom Tiberi pronouncing Creighton as "Kree-ton".

Or the wife of one of BA's more prolific and controversial posters pronouncing that college in Pittsburgh, PA, as "Doo-Kwez-knee."


And during his high school senior night introduction, my son was said to have committed to "Odor-Been."
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 10:51:42 AM 
shabamon wrote:
Got it, thanks. See everyone tomorrow at the Rose Bowl.

The same article says Marvin Price is expected to be available.


This is great news, hope it's accurate.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:31:25 AM 
Is this what we have come to? disparaging young people who are attending school and playing a sport they obviously enjoy. Yeah, athletics brings people to these campuses they fill dorms and class rooms, they also provide opportunities for people to pursue what they enjoy. As for cost, a DIII athlete often times attends school cheaper at that private school than they would pay at the Major University that is state funded. The competitive schools in athletics give out very good financial aid packages to people who play athletics and are good students. In equivalency sports like baseball, a baseball player at a good DIII program is more than likely giving more aide than what OHIO University is giving in athletic scholarships.

As for Urbana, that is an NCAA DII school that gives scholarships today.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:36:26 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Is this what we have come to? disparaging young people who are attending school and playing a sport they obviously enjoy. Yeah, athletics brings people to these campuses they fill dorms and class rooms, they also provide opportunities for people to pursue what they enjoy. As for cost, a DIII athlete often times attends school cheaper at that private school than they would pay at the Major University that is state funded. The competitive schools in athletics give out very good financial aid packages to people who play athletics and are good students. In equivalency sports like baseball, a baseball player at a good DIII program is more than likely giving more aide than what OHIO University is giving in athletic scholarships.

As for Urbana, that is an NCAA DII school that gives scholarships today.


Yes they have changed. It was NAIA when I visited.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 11:37:33 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Copied from The Post:

The game

Where: Cintas Center, 6:30 p.m.

How to watch: ESPN3

How to listen: Ohio IMG Sports Network


Got the part about how to watch and listen correct. Two out of 3 ain't bad, I guess.


So you're saying the editing could use some work...eesh.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 12:22:37 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Is this what we have come to? disparaging young people who are attending school and playing a sport they obviously enjoy. Yeah, athletics brings people to these campuses they fill dorms and class rooms, they also provide opportunities for people to pursue what they enjoy. As for cost, a DIII athlete often times attends school cheaper at that private school than they would pay at the Major University that is state funded. The competitive schools in athletics give out very good financial aid packages to people who play athletics and are good students. In equivalency sports like baseball, a baseball player at a good DIII program is more than likely giving more aide than what OHIO University is giving in athletic scholarships.

As for Urbana, that is an NCAA DII school that gives scholarships today.


Sigh. It is a classic BTC stretch to say I was "disparaging young people." I thought my criticism was much more on the schools. I've talked to many of those young people who after their experience share the same views I'm expressing. You clearly know more than I do about this because you're obviously involved in high school athletics...but I'd also argue you're probably more sensitive to this criticism for the same reason, as you are part of the crowd that proudly announces they produce "collegiate athletes" when sending alums off to these schools.

You bring up good D3 programs and good athletes...It's pretty clear that is not what I am talking about. Was the 15th player on the Heidelberg roster really necessary? What about the 18th...20th? The schools are preying off these young athletes. They know the only way they are going to get the enrollment numbers they need is to sell as many kids as they can on this "collegiate athlete" image.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 12:54:06 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Is this what we have come to? disparaging young people who are attending school and playing a sport they obviously enjoy. Yeah, athletics brings people to these campuses they fill dorms and class rooms, they also provide opportunities for people to pursue what they enjoy. As for cost, a DIII athlete often times attends school cheaper at that private school than they would pay at the Major University that is state funded. The competitive schools in athletics give out very good financial aid packages to people who play athletics and are good students. In equivalency sports like baseball, a baseball player at a good DIII program is more than likely giving more aide than what OHIO University is giving in athletic scholarships.

As for Urbana, that is an NCAA DII school that gives scholarships today.


Sigh. It is a classic BTC stretch to say I was "disparaging young people." I thought my criticism was much more on the schools. I've talked to many of those young people who after their experience share the same views I'm expressing. You clearly know more than I do about this because you're obviously involved in high school athletics...but I'd also argue you're probably more sensitive to this criticism for the same reason, as you are part of the crowd that proudly announces they produce "collegiate athletes" when sending alums off to these schools.

You bring up good D3 programs and good athletes...It's pretty clear that is not what I am talking about. Was the 15th player on the Heidelberg roster really necessary? What about the 18th...20th? The schools are preying off these young athletes. They know the only way they are going to get the enrollment numbers they need is to sell as many kids as they can on this "collegiate athlete" image.


I am glad you feel important enough to think my post was about you...but ok, now you are important ;-)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 1:08:05 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Is this what we have come to? disparaging young people who are attending school and playing a sport they obviously enjoy. Yeah, athletics brings people to these campuses they fill dorms and class rooms, they also provide opportunities for people to pursue what they enjoy. As for cost, a DIII athlete often times attends school cheaper at that private school than they would pay at the Major University that is state funded. The competitive schools in athletics give out very good financial aid packages to people who play athletics and are good students. In equivalency sports like baseball, a baseball player at a good DIII program is more than likely giving more aide than what OHIO University is giving in athletic scholarships.

As for Urbana, that is an NCAA DII school that gives scholarships today.


Sigh. It is a classic BTC stretch to say I was "disparaging young people." I thought my criticism was much more on the schools. I've talked to many of those young people who after their experience share the same views I'm expressing. You clearly know more than I do about this because you're obviously involved in high school athletics...but I'd also argue you're probably more sensitive to this criticism for the same reason, as you are part of the crowd that proudly announces they produce "collegiate athletes" when sending alums off to these schools.

You bring up good D3 programs and good athletes...It's pretty clear that is not what I am talking about. Was the 15th player on the Heidelberg roster really necessary? What about the 18th...20th? The schools are preying off these young athletes. They know the only way they are going to get the enrollment numbers they need is to sell as many kids as they can on this "collegiate athlete" image.


I am glad you feel important enough to think my post was about you...but ok, now you are important ;-)


You didn't specify who you were talking about by using the QUOTE feature and Ruck was part of the conversation, so yeah.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 1:31:05 PM 
shabamon wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
I am glad you feel important enough to think my post was about you...but ok, now you are important ;-)


You didn't specify who you were talking about by using the QUOTE feature and Ruck was part of the conversation, so yeah.


Yeah...Uh, how silly of me to think this involved me, the guy who started the whole thing and said all the stuff you criticized. My bad.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/8/2019 2:03:42 PM 
D3 schools have had JV teams for as long as I can remember. I've never thought of it as being a ploy to deceive young people into attending.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/9/2019 12:48:48 AM 

Heidelberg is picked to finish 8th in the 10 team OAC. By comparison, exhibition opponent Capital is picked 6th.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/9/2019 10:15:00 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Heidelberg is picked to finish 8th in the 10 team OAC. By comparison, exhibition opponent Capital is picked 6th.


What amazes me is that many other D-1 schools are playing D-2 or NAIA teams. I looked up one team that I had never heard of last night and they have 176 total students. You have to be kidding me!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 2 Thread: Heidelberg
   Posted: 11/9/2019 12:35:09 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
D3 schools have had JV teams for as long as I can remember. I've never thought of it as being a ploy to deceive young people into attending.


Agreed Jeff. As one who attended a DIII school and tried out for basketball and the parent of a daughter who played 4 years of DIII volleyball, my experiences were more about the total college experience than just playing sports. Heck, my daughter played vb, was the president of her sorority, had a part time job at a brew pub, a boyfriend and still graduated with honors. Superwoman? No, just a kid who was able to enjoy and benefit from the total college experience where sports were kept in perspective. There was no "selling" her or us on sports.
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