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Back to Top roger General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: durham, NC Post Count: 115 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/10/2018 8:56:43 AM  The assumption is that these athletes can get into these schools without a scholarship. That might be a big assumption. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,462 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/10/2018 9:49:03 AM  I think the bigger unfounded-until-proven-otherwise assumption is that this league will be financially solvent enough to exist to the point that it plays a game, let alone a season. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,815 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/10/2018 10:41:37 AM  They should just make their school affiliation Phoenix on-line. I'm sure that the enrolled schools will gladly make exceptions for missed classes do to travel in the HBL. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/10/2018 10:51:48 AM  Why would this be any more popular than the G-League which wouldn't be viable without the NBA's deep pockets backing it? Don't see this as a threat to anything. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/10/2018 11:20:22 AM  Well, they are trying I guess. I don't know, but it seems like the more ideas I see, the better the NCAA model looks. Agree that unless the NBA and shoe companies get involved, I don't see how any minor league works. Last Edited: 12/10/2018 11:20:48 AM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,171 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/12/2018 12:35:53 AM  This kind of seems like the old semi-pro baseball and football leagues that used to be all over the place back in the 1930s and before. I suppose it'll have some level of success, but I suspect its impact on college basketball won't be much. I know that's their goal, but I think they'll fail at changing the landscape of college basketball. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/12/2018 10:26:01 PM  I https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-business/startup-b... It won’t work if you think that players will continue to play for peanuts while coaches and schools rake in millions. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,171 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/12/2018 10:42:54 PM  giacomo wrote: I https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-business/startup-b... It won’t work if you think that players will continue to play for peanuts while coaches and schools rake in millions. I certainly wouldn't buy any stock in this league if it went public. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,491 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/13/2018 8:54:13 AM  These leagues will continue to fail, but I'm glad people continue to try. There is a market opportunity here, but not much of one, because as soon as anybody creates a real, genuine threat the NCAA will just shift their stance on amateurism and start to do the right thing. But they're not going to do so until the market forces them to. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/13/2018 9:38:50 AM  I agree. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,797 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/14/2018 8:16:18 AM  Cue the Led Zeppelins to come out of their hangers and grab a blow torch.....that ought to sum this picture up nicely Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/14/2018 8:20:08 AM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Cue the Led Zeppelins to come out of their hangers and grab a blow torch.....that ought to sum this picture up nicely LOL. Great visual. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/14/2018 12:04:33 PM  giacomo wrote: I https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-business/startup-b... It won’t work if you think that players will continue to play for peanuts while coaches and schools rake in millions. Just checked and my son's school will not accept peanuts for tuition, room and board. Not even roasted peanuts. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,969 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/14/2018 2:57:52 PM  OUVan wrote: giacomo wrote: I https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-business/startup-b... It won’t work if you think that players will continue to play for peanuts while coaches and schools rake in millions. Just checked and my son's school will not accept peanuts for tuition, room and board. Not even roasted peanuts. Did you try an Andre the Giant impression and ask the bursar's office "Anybody want a peanut?" Try that and get back to us. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/15/2018 4:29:39 PM  I get that some of you think that because you paid your way through school and you are/have paid for your kids that anyone would be lucky to have a scholarship. It used to be that way when the money wasn’t so big for coaches and schools. You have a job. Let’s say you worked for a small company that had 20 employees, about the size of a college team, 15 players and coaches. The owner/coach makes 4 million and you make 35k, as do most of the employees. You’re cool with that because you’re lucky to have a job. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,171 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/16/2018 10:57:28 PM  giacomo wrote: . . . You have a job. Let’s say you worked for a small company that had 20 employees, about the size of a college team, 15 players and coaches. The owner/coach makes 4 million and you make 35k, as do most of the employees. You’re cool with that because you’re lucky to have a job. Yes. And, if I later decide I can do better elsewhere, I look for another job. I don't demand that I get paid more just because the boss gets many times what I get. I might ask for a raise, but I don't feel entitled to one because of what the boss makes. This isn't totally hypothetical to me as I once had a direct boss who made probably ten times what I made. I wasn't upset, as there were good reasons he made that much. I still considered myself well paid, even though I was outpaced by my boss by so much. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/17/2018 8:44:34 AM  Why does the historical basketball league include college scholarships for players? Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Shawn Sellers General User Member Since: 1/4/2005 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 220 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/17/2018 10:06:36 AM  I would assume it would work like any external scholarship, for example an employer, where the league would cut the player a check for the scholarship, and the player would endorse it to the university. Really, I see 3 difficulties. 1. Will some players have difficulty being accepted to the university they choose? 2. how will class scheduling work outside of an internal athletics department? What will happen when there is a conflict? And 3. Will people pay to see these games? In the NCAA, fans have built a connection to the universities through graduation, community connection, and family loyalties. Will it work? I certainly doubt it, even though I’m sure they have thought about all of these pitfalls. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,815 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/18/2018 11:51:51 AM  Shawn Sellers wrote: I would assume it would work like any external scholarship, for example an employer, where the league would cut the player a check for the scholarship, and the player would endorse it to the university. Really, I see 3 difficulties. 1. Will some players have difficulty being accepted to the university they choose? 2. how will class scheduling work outside of an internal athletics department? What will happen when there is a conflict? And 3. Will people pay to see these games? In the NCAA, fans have built a connection to the universities through graduation, community connection, and family loyalties. Will it work? I certainly doubt it, even though I’m sure they have thought about all of these pitfalls. Class schedule is easy....On-line courses Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/19/2018 1:40:51 PM  10x is cool. What is the cost of going to Duke? Let’s be generous and say 70k. Coach K makes 10M. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/19/2018 1:51:53 PM  Meh. The NCAA should give the athetes some "walk around" money, say $500 per month, and be done with all this. If athletes don't like it, they can go play somewhere else. I'm not sure why they all don't play somewhere else already. Last Edited: 12/19/2018 1:52:21 PM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,491 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/19/2018 2:08:03 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: giacomo wrote: . . . You have a job. Let’s say you worked for a small company that had 20 employees, about the size of a college team, 15 players and coaches. The owner/coach makes 4 million and you make 35k, as do most of the employees. You’re cool with that because you’re lucky to have a job. Yes. And, if I later decide I can do better elsewhere, I look for another job. I don't demand that I get paid more just because the boss gets many times what I get. I might ask for a raise, but I don't feel entitled to one because of what the boss makes. This isn't totally hypothetical to me as I once had a direct boss who made probably ten times what I made. I wasn't upset, as there were good reasons he made that much. I still considered myself well paid, even though I was outpaced by my boss by so much. I'm not sure I see how your point applies to the NCAA. You seem to be saying that the free market adds efficiency to the labor market, which is undoubtedly true. But the NCAA goes to great lengths to ensure that neither revenue nor market forces play any role in determining how a player is compensated. I don't see how your point supports your stance. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,171 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/19/2018 2:38:06 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: giacomo wrote: . . . You have a job. Let’s say you worked for a small company that had 20 employees, about the size of a college team, 15 players and coaches. The owner/coach makes 4 million and you make 35k, as do most of the employees. You’re cool with that because you’re lucky to have a job. Yes. And, if I later decide I can do better elsewhere, I look for another job. I don't demand that I get paid more just because the boss gets many times what I get. I might ask for a raise, but I don't feel entitled to one because of what the boss makes. This isn't totally hypothetical to me as I once had a direct boss who made probably ten times what I made. I wasn't upset, as there were good reasons he made that much. I still considered myself well paid, even though I was outpaced by my boss by so much. I'm not sure I see how your point applies to the NCAA. You seem to be saying that the free market adds efficiency to the labor market, which is undoubtedly true. But the NCAA goes to great lengths to ensure that neither revenue nor market forces play any role in determining how a player is compensated. I don't see how your point supports your stance. The original poster was trying to make a connection between the NCAA and free enterprise. I was just answering his hypothetical. I don't think it's a valid analogy at all. I was granting it just for the sake of argument. I think this hypothetical is divorced from reality, in reality. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: The Historical Basketball League    Posted: 12/20/2018 8:14:22 AM  You can think it is divorced from reality, but it isn’t. Kids are graduating with huge amounts of debt, while coaches of football and basketball, presidents and other administrators are making millions. The model won’t last much longer. Ask Sears. 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