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  Message Not Read  Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/15/2018 8:29:27 PM 
A nice article about Jeff Boals and his 3rd season start at Stony Brook. The article mentions that few expected his very young squad to have this kind of a win-loss record out of the gate, they even use the words "historic start." Always nice to see a former Bobcat getting some positive press.
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/12/6/18128939/colleg...
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   Posted: 12/15/2018 9:43:03 PM 
Much respect for the 8-1 start but "historic start" should include "for Stony Brook". I opened the thread looking for something that was really historic
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   Posted: 12/15/2018 10:03:01 PM 
Longtimelurker, my guess is the reason the story used those words was due to the fact that Stony Brook has been Division I for less than 20 years and to them this kind of start might be historic. With their proximity to a lot of East Coast talent, if Coach Boals can be successful this year with such a young squad, they may be able to recruit the kind of talent that only a few years ago would have seemed impossible. BTW Coach Boals is doing it with three "local" assistants; Geno Ford a former teammate of Boals, another one from Akron and still another from Ohio Dominican.

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   Posted: 12/15/2018 10:15:50 PM 
I wonder if the guy from Dominican is the head coach I met in Columbus a couple of years back. Are they moving up a division? I think we talked about a jump to D2 or something like that.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/15/2018 10:24:49 PM 
2 of that staff are Hargrave guys. The Dominican guy is one of them but he was nota head coach

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/15/2018 10:29:27 PM 
Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.
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   Posted: 12/15/2018 11:49:00 PM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
I wonder if the guy from Dominican is the head coach I met in Columbus a couple of years back. Are they moving up a division? I think we talked about a jump to D2 or something like that.


ODU has been Division II for squire awhile.
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   Posted: 12/15/2018 11:56:05 PM 
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Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.


In basketball NCAA II is alloted 10 scholarships versus the 13 of Men’s Division I, and zero for Division III. Ashland is a well to do private school that is in the GLIAC, ODU was in the GLIAC but left for the new GMAC. The GMAC is mostly Ohio private schools who are struggling financially. The GLIAC is comprised of mainly Michigan schools that are state funded on an entirely different funding model. NONE of the GMAC schools could compete in the GLIAC in competition or funding, so they all left and added Alderson-Broaddus out of WV. Urbana is in the Mountain East, which is a very good basketball conference but is also made up of very poor schools in West Virginia.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/16/2018 9:42:56 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
Longtimelurker, my guess is the reason the story used those words was due to the fact that Stony Brook has been Division I for less than 20 years and to them this kind of start might be historic. With their proximity to a lot of East Coast talent, if Coach Boals can be successful this year with such a young squad, they may be able to recruit the kind of talent that only a few years ago would have seemed impossible. BTW Coach Boals is doing it with three "local" assistants; Geno Ford a former teammate of Boals, another one from Akron and still another from Ohio Dominican.


Not trying to disparage Boals (one of my all-time favorite Bobcats) but they have been the dominant team in the America East since about 2010. They averaged about 25 wins a season the four years before he got there. Not saying he's not doing a good job. Only that he isn't really lifting the program up to heights they haven't already known. Last year was the first season they hadn't played in the postseason since 2011.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/16/2018 10:07:39 AM 
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Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.


In basketball NCAA II is alloted 10 scholarships versus the 13 of Men’s Division I, and zero for Division III. Ashland is a well to do private school that is in the GLIAC, ODU was in the GLIAC but left for the new GMAC. The GMAC is mostly Ohio private schools who are struggling financially. The GLIAC is comprised of mainly Michigan schools that are state funded on an entirely different funding model. NONE of the GMAC schools could compete in the GLIAC in competition or funding, so they all left and added Alderson-Broaddus out of WV. Urbana is in the Mountain East, which is a very good basketball conference but is also made up of very poor schools in West Virginia.


"very poor schools in WV"? I'm pretty sure my friends that are WV Wesleyan, University of Charleston, and Wheeling Jesuit grads would dispute that generalization.

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   Posted: 12/17/2018 8:59:19 AM 
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cbus cat fan wrote:
Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.


In basketball NCAA II is alloted 10 scholarships versus the 13 of Men’s Division I, and zero for Division III. Ashland is a well to do private school that is in the GLIAC, ODU was in the GLIAC but left for the new GMAC. The GMAC is mostly Ohio private schools who are struggling financially. The GLIAC is comprised of mainly Michigan schools that are state funded on an entirely different funding model. NONE of the GMAC schools could compete in the GLIAC in competition or funding, so they all left and added Alderson-Broaddus out of WV. Urbana is in the Mountain East, which is a very good basketball conference but is also made up of very poor schools in West Virginia.


"very poor schools in WV"? I'm pretty sure my friends that are WV Wesleyan, University of Charleston, and Wheeling Jesuit grads would dispute that generalization.



Poor in terms of financial funding!!!! I never stated anything regarding their academics
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/17/2018 11:21:02 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
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Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.


In basketball NCAA II is alloted 10 scholarships versus the 13 of Men’s Division I, and zero for Division III. Ashland is a well to do private school that is in the GLIAC, ODU was in the GLIAC but left for the new GMAC. The GMAC is mostly Ohio private schools who are struggling financially. The GLIAC is comprised of mainly Michigan schools that are state funded on an entirely different funding model. NONE of the GMAC schools could compete in the GLIAC in competition or funding, so they all left and added Alderson-Broaddus out of WV. Urbana is in the Mountain East, which is a very good basketball conference but is also made up of very poor schools in West Virginia.


"very poor schools in WV"? I'm pretty sure my friends that are WV Wesleyan, University of Charleston, and Wheeling Jesuit grads would dispute that generalization.



Poor in terms of financial funding!!!! I never stated anything regarding their academics


Well, two of those three have endowments around $50 million. While that's not very much for a large state-supported school, it's not bad for a small private or parochial school.

Last Edited: 12/17/2018 11:21:27 AM by OhioCatFan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/17/2018 12:08:48 PM 
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Longtimelurker, my guess is the reason the story used those words was due to the fact that Stony Brook has been Division I for less than 20 years and to them this kind of start might be historic. With their proximity to a lot of East Coast talent, if Coach Boals can be successful this year with such a young squad, they may be able to recruit the kind of talent that only a few years ago would have seemed impossible. BTW Coach Boals is doing it with three "local" assistants; Geno Ford a former teammate of Boals, another one from Akron and still another from Ohio Dominican.


Not trying to disparage Boals (one of my all-time favorite Bobcats) but they have been the dominant team in the America East since about 2010. They averaged about 25 wins a season the four years before he got there. Not saying he's not doing a good job. Only that he isn't really lifting the program up to heights they haven't already known. Last year was the first season they hadn't played in the postseason since 2011.


Maybe the writer didn't understand they were really good, and a "threat in the America East" for many of the last 10 seasons?

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   Posted: 12/17/2018 2:04:56 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
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Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.


In basketball NCAA II is alloted 10 scholarships versus the 13 of Men’s Division I, and zero for Division III. Ashland is a well to do private school that is in the GLIAC, ODU was in the GLIAC but left for the new GMAC. The GMAC is mostly Ohio private schools who are struggling financially. The GLIAC is comprised of mainly Michigan schools that are state funded on an entirely different funding model. NONE of the GMAC schools could compete in the GLIAC in competition or funding, so they all left and added Alderson-Broaddus out of WV. Urbana is in the Mountain East, which is a very good basketball conference but is also made up of very poor schools in West Virginia.


"very poor schools in WV"? I'm pretty sure my friends that are WV Wesleyan, University of Charleston, and Wheeling Jesuit grads would dispute that generalization.



Poor in terms of financial funding!!!! I never stated anything regarding their academics


Well, two of those three have endowments around $50 million. While that's not very much for a large state-supported school, it's not bad for a small private or parochial school.



Being someone who actually works in the conference and has worked in the GLAC, I can tell you their funding models for athletics pale in comparison to the Michigan Schools. But feel free to keep thinking what you guys would like.
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   Posted: 12/17/2018 2:10:12 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
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BillyTheCat wrote:
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Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.


In basketball NCAA II is alloted 10 scholarships versus the 13 of Men’s Division I, and zero for Division III. Ashland is a well to do private school that is in the GLIAC, ODU was in the GLIAC but left for the new GMAC. The GMAC is mostly Ohio private schools who are struggling financially. The GLIAC is comprised of mainly Michigan schools that are state funded on an entirely different funding model. NONE of the GMAC schools could compete in the GLIAC in competition or funding, so they all left and added Alderson-Broaddus out of WV. Urbana is in the Mountain East, which is a very good basketball conference but is also made up of very poor schools in West Virginia.


"very poor schools in WV"? I'm pretty sure my friends that are WV Wesleyan, University of Charleston, and Wheeling Jesuit grads would dispute that generalization.



Poor in terms of financial funding!!!! I never stated anything regarding their academics


Well, two of those three have endowments around $50 million. While that's not very much for a large state-supported school, it's not bad for a small private or parochial school.



WV Wesleyan has an endowment of $42Million
UC $28Million
Wheeling Jesuit $16.1 Million....ONLY seeing one that is near $50Million

Wesleyan is also facing an issue like many schools of declining enrollments that is forcing some pretty deep cuts to the athletic programs.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/18/2018 11:10:13 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
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BillyTheCat wrote:
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Lontimelurker, Ohio Dominican did become Division II a few years ago. Oddly enough, Urbana University and Ashland University are also Division II but all three play in different conferences. I am not that well versed on all the ins and outs of Division II vs Division III. However, I believe Division II schools can give more scholarship money which they believe raises their profile. Conversely, I believe there are more Division II schools experiencing financial problems than those who are Division III schools.


In basketball NCAA II is alloted 10 scholarships versus the 13 of Men’s Division I, and zero for Division III. Ashland is a well to do private school that is in the GLIAC, ODU was in the GLIAC but left for the new GMAC. The GMAC is mostly Ohio private schools who are struggling financially. The GLIAC is comprised of mainly Michigan schools that are state funded on an entirely different funding model. NONE of the GMAC schools could compete in the GLIAC in competition or funding, so they all left and added Alderson-Broaddus out of WV. Urbana is in the Mountain East, which is a very good basketball conference but is also made up of very poor schools in West Virginia.


"very poor schools in WV"? I'm pretty sure my friends that are WV Wesleyan, University of Charleston, and Wheeling Jesuit grads would dispute that generalization.



Poor in terms of financial funding!!!! I never stated anything regarding their academics


Well, two of those three have endowments around $50 million. While that's not very much for a large state-supported school, it's not bad for a small private or parochial school.



WV Wesleyan has an endowment of $42Million
UC $28Million
Wheeling Jesuit $16.1 Million....ONLY seeing one that is near $50Million

Wesleyan is also facing an issue like many schools of declining enrollments that is forcing some pretty deep cuts to the athletic programs.


This site says that University of Charleston's endowment was $41.2 million two years ago: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-charle...

This site says West Virginia Wesleyan had an endowment of $47.4 million in 2017:
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/west-virginia-wesley...

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   Posted: 12/19/2018 10:20:26 AM 
And with declining enrollments their budgets are suffering. Our endowment is increasing but as funding and enrollments decline, so does the budgets for many departments, these endowments do not necessarily fund the daily operations of schools. So unless you can show me how these endowments prove that these schools are not struggling....


WV Wesleyan just fired 27 faculty members in the past year.

https://therecorddelta.com/article/wva-wesleyan-cuts-27-f...


The entire state of WV is in crisis in the area of funding for Higher Education.

http://wvmetronews.com/2018/11/27/wvus-gee-tells-higher-e... /
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   Posted: 12/19/2018 10:49:48 AM 
Interesting article about WVWC. While it points out some serious fiscal issues, I thought the following paragraph from the article also showed that the school still has a good deal of upside: "The college recently announced the conclusion of a successful capital campaign that raised more than $34 million and is in the third year of a $10 million Title III grant. Recent improvements to campus include a new welcome center, new dorm, new science center, two fountains and revamped athletic facilities, including a turf football field."

The article that headlined Gordon Gee was all about state-run higher education in West Virginia. All the schools we were discussing are private or parochial. And, let me add, that the comments from Gordon are typical "Gee Speak" so really hard to know what the substance behind them might be. The guy is a master of educational double-speak. He always has at least five agendas going at the same time, only two of which are visible. Hidden agendas are his trademark. Not saying there's not a serious problem to be addressed. Just saying that one can't get a handle on the real issues listening to blather from Dr. Gee.

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   Posted: 12/19/2018 11:29:13 AM 

OUVan wrote:
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Longtimelurker, my guess is the reason the story used those words was due to the fact that Stony Brook has been Division I for less than 20 years and to them this kind of start might be historic. With their proximity to a lot of East Coast talent, if Coach Boals can be successful this year with such a young squad, they may be able to recruit the kind of talent that only a few years ago would have seemed impossible. BTW Coach Boals is doing it with three "local" assistants; Geno Ford a former teammate of Boals, another one from Akron and still another from Ohio Dominican.


Not trying to disparage Boals (one of my all-time favorite Bobcats) but they have been the dominant team in the America East since about 2010. They averaged about 25 wins a season the four years before he got there. Not saying he's not doing a good job. Only that he isn't really lifting the program up to heights they haven't already known. Last year was the first season they hadn't played in the postseason since 2011. 

KenPom rankings for perspective:

Year Ranking Coach
2019 173 Jeff Boals
2018 223 Jeff Boals
2017 213 Jeff Boals
2016 94 Steve Pikiell
2015 130 Steve Pikiell
2014 169 Steve Pikiell
2013 60 Steve Pikiell
2012 142 Steve Pikiell
2011 233 Steve Pikiell
2010 188 Steve Pikiell
2009 190 Steve Pikiell
2008 300 Steve Pikiell
2007 277 Steve Pikiell
2006 313 Steve Pikiell
2005 253 Nick Macarchuk
2004 296 Nick Macarchuk
2003 271 Nick Macarchuk
2002 312 Nick Macarchuk

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   Posted: 12/19/2018 12:06:48 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Interesting article about WVWC. While it points out some serious fiscal issues, I thought the following paragraph from the article also showed that the school still has a good deal of upside: "The college recently announced the conclusion of a successful capital campaign that raised more than $34 million and is in the third year of a $10 million Title III grant. Recent improvements to campus include a new welcome center, new dorm, new science center, two fountains and revamped athletic facilities, including a turf football field."

The article that headlined Gordon Gee was all about state-run higher education in West Virginia. All the schools we were discussing are private or parochial. And, let me add, that the comments from Gordon are typical "Gee Speak" so really hard to know what the substance behind them might be. The guy is a master of educational double-speak. He always has at least five agendas going at the same time, only two of which are visible. Hidden agendas are his trademark. Not saying there's not a serious problem to be addressed. Just saying that one can't get a handle on the real issues listening to blather from Dr. Gee.


No, my original post, was about the Mountain East in general, which is made up of mostly public schools in WV. Fairmont, WVSU, Shepherd University, Concord, Glenville, West Liberty. 6 of the 8 West Virginia Schools are public, Urbana, ND, and Wise are the others (Shepherd and Wise are leaving this year). The original post was about funding and why schools left leagues. The OHIO schools bolted from the GLAC due to travel and they no longer wanted to try and keep up with the Michigan schools which are funded on an entirely different model than those in OHIO. I never once criticized the academic reputation on any of those schools, even though that was the VERY first reply to my post was someone thinking I was attacking their academic profile! Not true. Then you want to come out with information on two of the leagues private schools to tell me about how great those finances are, even though, they have growing endowments, their budgets are struggling, as evidenced by the layoffs.
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   Posted: 12/19/2018 2:32:10 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Interesting article about WVWC. While it points out some serious fiscal issues, I thought the following paragraph from the article also showed that the school still has a good deal of upside: "The college recently announced the conclusion of a successful capital campaign that raised more than $34 million and is in the third year of a $10 million Title III grant. Recent improvements to campus include a new welcome center, new dorm, new science center, two fountains and revamped athletic facilities, including a turf football field."

The article that headlined Gordon Gee was all about state-run higher education in West Virginia. All the schools we were discussing are private or parochial. And, let me add, that the comments from Gordon are typical "Gee Speak" so really hard to know what the substance behind them might be. The guy is a master of educational double-speak. He always has at least five agendas going at the same time, only two of which are visible. Hidden agendas are his trademark. Not saying there's not a serious problem to be addressed. Just saying that one can't get a handle on the real issues listening to blather from Dr. Gee.


No, my original post, was about the Mountain East in general, which is made up of mostly public schools in WV. Fairmont, WVSU, Shepherd University, Concord, Glenville, West Liberty. 6 of the 8 West Virginia Schools are public, Urbana, ND, and Wise are the others (Shepherd and Wise are leaving this year). The original post was about funding and why schools left leagues. The OHIO schools bolted from the GLAC due to travel and they no longer wanted to try and keep up with the Michigan schools which are funded on an entirely different model than those in OHIO. I never once criticized the academic reputation on any of those schools, even though that was the VERY first reply to my post was someone thinking I was attacking their academic profile! Not true. Then you want to come out with information on two of the leagues private schools to tell me about how great those finances are, even though, they have growing endowments, their budgets are struggling, as evidenced by the layoffs.


I'm not sure about the others, but I wasn't disputing your original post. I was originally replying to the poster who singled out those three private schools from West Virginia. I was just adding a little ammunition to his statement that they weren't "poor schools." It may be that he thought you were attacking their academics. I thought you were talking about their economics. WVWC is having some tough issues, but they aren't on the verge of collapse, like a few Ohio private colleges I could name.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Alum Jeff Boals' Stony Brook Squad Off To Historic Start
   Posted: 12/20/2018 11:31:02 AM 
Loved Boals as a hard-nosed player when he was at OU and hoping he does well at Stony Brook. Would love to see him running the show in Athens some day.
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