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Ohio69
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G League stepping up

Posted: 10/18/2018 1:27:25 PM

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25015812/g-league-offe...

Well the G League may become a true minor league and alternative to the NCAA. I like it. If only the NFL could figure out something similar.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

Maddog13
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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/21/2018 11:50:00 AM

The NFL has practice squads and both Arena and Canadian Football to poach from. They also have plenty of free agents floating around at any given time. That said, I am a big fan of minor league baseball and feel that it really gives that sport a wonderful opportunity to develop young talent in addition to giving smaller markets a way to become more invested and intrigued by certain franchises. How fun it would be if Southeastern Ohio landed a "G" League franchise that was connected to one of the NBA Teams and which was more affordable to attend and much easier to reach in terms of travel.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/21/2018 2:25:34 PM

I see two absolutely delusional posts in this thread already, so I'm out.

$125K for the next 4-5 years being offered to the best of the best isn't going to change anything. Even if the best 450 18-year olds in the world go to the G-League every single year, only a small fraction of them will actually get that level of pay. Not only that, but at the end of the day, it's a bunch of 18-year olds playing for teams no fans have any actual loyalty to.

Or, if you really think 18 year olds want to sign up for playing a 50-game schedule against guys who already have a few years of NBA experience and are doing anything to get back there, that's funny. No sane agent is going to give that advice vs. going to college.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/21/2018 4:55:31 PM

The delusional thing would be for power 5 athletes to keep lining the pockets of everyone but themselves. Only a few guys who will jump to the NBA might think it's not a good deal for them. Until recently the shoe companies were filling the money void. That appears to be over. Here is food for thought:

http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-derogatory-ter...

Last Edited: 10/21/2018 4:56:14 PM by giacomo

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/21/2018 9:52:11 PM

RIP Big Baller Brand League

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/21/2018 10:37:32 PM

Donuts wrote:

Or, if you really think 18 year olds want to sign up for playing a 50-game schedule against guys who already have a few years of NBA experience and are doing anything to get back there, that's funny. No sane agent is going to give that advice vs. going to college.

It may not be a good idea, but there have been a few American players go from high school to Europe for a year, likely facing a similar competition level as the G League, maybe better depending on the league. There will be kids who have absolutely no desire to even pretend to be a college student for a semester.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 12:04:05 AM

giacomo wrote:

Lol, not every Power 5 recruit would get the $125K salary. Very few would.

About 80 players per school year at most ever play a second in the NBA. Only about 65-70% of those guys will actually play more than the equivalent of one NBA season. Fact is, there is no lucrative minor league basketball market in the USA. No one cares about watching a bunch of 18-year olds going through growing pains and hoping to be a 9th man in the NBA in 2-3 years. Not unless they have a name of a school thousands of people are connected to because they too went to that university.

Even if they landed every single top 10 recruit, which they won't, it's only going to be a temporary fix to the problem the NBA created in the first place.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 6:22:57 AM

One thing that has to be worked out concerns the logistics of players "jumping" from the "G" League to the NBA.

I haven't seen any details discussing how these players would go to a specific "G" league team.

The issue is,if team "A" gets a kid who excels,do they get to promote him or,when he is eligible to play in the NBA does he go through the draft ?

Ohio69
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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 9:56:46 AM

Hmmmmm. Let me just be devil's advocate for Donuts.

This is huge. The NCAA's current model for basketball becomes more solid/viable with higher G League pay. And, maybe even more attractive.

All the glory and life-long prestige and a degree from playing at Duke might start to look pretty good compared to driving around in cramped buses to empty gyms for $125,000 and a very small shot at the NBA.

The NCAA may even start saying, hey, remember when you were all going bonkers over us offering "just" a scholarship/degree/glory/lifelong prestige? How's that bus trip from Providence to Albany to play for 200 fans and $10K per month looking now?

And if the one and done rule goes away and the G League pays up to $125,000? Holy moly. The NCAA will throw itself a HUGE party. It will not have to change anything for basketball. Nothing. It will then only have a football problem. And, it can start pointing to all the issues the NBA/G League will have and say, see, our model for football is actually pretty darn good. We don't need to pay you cash. The pay for scholarship/degree/glory/lifelong prestige model is not just fine, but a really great deal.

Last Edited: 10/22/2018 9:56:57 AM by Ohio69

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 10:13:10 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

I think OHIO69 is exactly right. I was with a former top 10 college football recruit this weekend who went to Iowa. He said that he didn't see this as too much of a game-changer like I thought it was. In college, he flew private jets, got national attention through media (SportsCenter, gameday, etc), had the attention of thousands of co-eds, and was BMOC. These kids will get $125,000 in G-League, but they'll be on the cramped busses, awful hotel rooms, and small crowds. May take a lot of joy out of basketball for some of these guys. This could be great for the NCAA.

There will likely be a few non-qualifiers who will do this, but I doubt too many others. The bigger piece could be the endorsements if a big name were to go this route. I'm thinking somebody with LeBron-like status out of HS who could also sign a multi-million dollar shoe deal, then they may take the G-League up on it.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 10:47:54 AM

What's funny in all of this is that, the NCAA is the bad guy, and the NBA is the good guy the way it has all been framed. A lot of people want to see the NCAA burn after this announcement.

First, not happening, but second, this who problem is the NBA's fault. It's hilarious how they are now being shown as the good guys, throwing more money at young players. You know what paid more money and worked better for all parties? No one-and-done rule. But hey, let's give them $125K instead of letting NBA owners give the Harrison twins top five pick money out of high school because they thought they were great.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 11:24:35 AM

Donuts wrote:

Definitely agree with this.

Major League Baseball is probably the best (but not perfect) system but the big money isn't there for college baseball so it is hard to compare. MLB pays the first few rounds of drafted players some pretty big money. Hunter Greene got like $7 million from the Reds, and I think that covers like the first 5 years or something. So $125K is not really that great in comparison. Yet here I am congratulating the NBA.... Doh !

Is there anyone going on sportsradio or ESPN and defending/talking up the NCAA set up?

Last Edited: 10/22/2018 11:26:19 AM by Ohio69

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 12:50:37 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

I believe the only players eligible to be called up are those on 2 way contracts. Unaffiliated players, as these would likely be, wouldn't be eligible for call ups.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 12:54:11 PM

Donuts wrote:

In this case, your gripe is with the NBA Player's Union, not the NBA.

Donuts
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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 1:33:22 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Donuts wrote:

In this case, your gripe is with the NBA Player's Union, not the NBA.

Uhhhh, no. The Player's Union never wanted an age limit. What are you talking about?

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 1:57:43 PM

According to this article, Adam Silver is targeting 2021 or 2022 as the draft where one-and-done rule will be abolished.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24513084/in-step-abolition-one-done-rule-basketball-stakeholders-align-support-usa-basketball

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/22/2018 2:39:57 PM

Donuts wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Donuts wrote:

In this case, your gripe is with the NBA Player's Union, not the NBA.

Uhhhh, no. The Player's Union never wanted an age limit. What are you talking about?

Appreciate your polite response.

My recollection is that the players union's new stance on the age limit was contingent on first increasing the share of BRI the players received and second increasing the roster size. Prior to the previous CBA, the Players Union was happy to concede on the age limit because doing so protected veteran jobs. Now that there are more jobs due to the increased roster size, and more money due to the increase in BRI, they're taking a more principled stance on the age limit.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/23/2018 10:15:41 AM

The Player's Union as a whole did not want an age limit.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/23/2018 4:38:01 PM

I think many are confusing the idea that a scholarship is a good deal for the athlete versus are the so called "student athletes" really employees of the university and should be afforded the same rights as employees. Walter Byers coined the phrase to avoid having workers compensation and other issues of employment. There is also the sentiment for most people that "sure, give me a scholarship and let me play ball and I would be happy". Athletes will be students when professors start making 5M a year.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/23/2018 7:36:11 PM

giacomo wrote:

It is a good deal for the athlete or so many of them wouldn't do it. You seem to be confusing the fact that just because a number of players don't see the value of the scholarship means that there isn't any value to it. If I give you a Matisse and you throw it away doesn't mean you receive no value.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/23/2018 10:55:43 PM

OUVan wrote:

giacomo wrote:

Sure, but to extend the metaphor if you give me a Matisse when you have ten Matisses because of me, I still got ripped off.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/24/2018 11:13:58 AM

OUVan wrote:

Ohio State recruited Henri Matisse, kept all his paintings, prohibited him from selling his paintings for four years, made money advertising while people viewed his paintings, made money with t-shirts of those paintings on them and sold those paintings to ESPN for $2.64 billion and then gave all the money to Urban Meyer, Gene Smith and Greg Schiano. Matisse got to sit in a fancy plane to get to his exhibitions and go to Psych 101 class with 500 other suburbanites in exchange. And then when Matisse doesn't get his degree because he's flying around the country showing his paintings for Ohio State to make money, Henri Matisse is cast as a man who wasted the opportunity of a lifetime. And so another young Matisse is found who doesn't know the value of his work yet.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/24/2018 11:47:24 AM

The number of "Matisse" student-athletes out there is infinitesimally small. The vast majority either:

1. Have no chance to ever play in the pros (97% of all college athletes)
2. Might be able to get a sniff in the pros after a full college career (just about any MAC or G5 player in the NFL or NBA)

To blow up the system for a tiny number of elite student-athletes is insanity.

I'm all for the G-League doing this. If you have no interest for being in school, I don't want you there. Move on and get paid.

But anyone who goes back to the "poor college students are labor that schools make big money off of" argument does not understand the first thing about college athletics.

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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/24/2018 12:34:49 PM

Excellent analogy Brian Smith! Those that either don't understand or don't want to understand like the way things are currently. There is a reason the money is so big.A New Option for N.B.A. Prospects: The Million-Dollar Intern
https://nyti.ms/2R4kKFR?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Syracuse recruit decommits and takes 1M from New Balance as an intern.

Last Edited: 10/24/2018 12:55:31 PM by giacomo

Ohio69
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RE: G League stepping up

Posted: 10/24/2018 1:15:30 PM

giacomo wrote:

Interesting. Maybe Nike, Adidas, Under Armour, and New Balance should own G League teams.

Carnac predicts in 8 years we will be reading articles about all the poor, poor high school athletes who took G League/NBA/Shoe money and were broke and degree-less by age 22. And how horrible the G League/NBA/Shoe companies are.

Last Edited: 10/24/2018 1:16:10 PM by Ohio69

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