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Topic:  Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.

Topic:  Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
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  Message Not Read  Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 9:52:34 AM 
If you really studied the recruiting situation in the MAC, you would be damned impressed that we can attract ANY premier talent to our little school in the middle of nowhere. I encourage you to visit Oxford to tour some of the amenities they have developed for student athletes. I can't imagine any of their top recruiting targets would choose our school.

Let's also examine the two cities: I never willingly pay for parking, so I often walk a mile (or more) to games. I walked almost two miles through Oxford yesterday - it was Parents Day, so parking was tight. I was very surprised to not find student slums surrounding the campus. Their off-campus housing was mostly attractive and well cared for. And their fans were respectful and kind. I passed dozens of front-porch parties and never once did I hear "OU sucks!" How impressed Miami parents must be when they attend games in Athens and are greeted with "F*&K Miami!"

Meanwhile, we can brag that more of our fans attend games. But the truth is, our fan base does not adequately support our programs and student-athletes - not by a long shot. As I wrote in a separate thread, when Ohio alums are asked to join the Ohio Bobcat Club, they VERY often reply with something like: "Why should I do that? I only go down there for Homecoming," or "I don't like our schedule this year," or "I hate the coach," etc." A friend of mine refused to join at the $99 level because he is still angry at a journalism prof.

Bottom line, way too many of us come to Athens and Ohio University to EXTRACT everything we can from the experience. But when the university asks for something back, we come up with countless excuses. We all claim to love OU, but we don't really - we love the memories, the debauchery, the friendships. Very many of us dishonor the institution through our lack of financial support.

Miami alums talk about "love and honor." We brag about the fun we had on Court Street.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 10:38:23 AM 
^^^ Some hard truth here. What we need, I guess, is some Bobcat “tough love.”

I was also at the game, and I agree with everything SBH says about the atmosphere on game day. And, despite what you might have seen on TV, the press box side was 90 percent full in the first half, and a significant number stayed until the game was out of hand. The student attendance, though, was horrible. I would estimate no more than 1,000 students in attendance, including the band members.

One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals. Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 11:00:13 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?

Last Edited: 10/20/2024 11:07:49 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 12:46:18 PM 
Apparently BLSS has never driven to Oxford recently. Even the locals there talk about how isolated they are and complain that it takes so darn long to get to Oxford from the rest of the civilized world because of their crummy roads.

Yes, the college athletic world has changed. If you think Cromer is looking out for OHIO as her first priority, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in. I’d prefer to have an AD whose focus was on raising the necessary funds to compete in this new landscape, even if it required hiring SBH as an assistant AD in charge of the Bobcat Hard Love Campaign that would target deep pocket alumni and friends with his unique brand of positive guilt fundraising.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 1:29:21 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Apparently BLSS has never driven to Oxford recently. Even the locals there talk about how isolated they are and complain that it takes so darn long to get to Oxford from the rest of the civilized world because of their crummy roads.


I've never driven to Oxford. But it still seems a lot closer to Cincinnati than Athens is to Columbus.

Maybe their roads are poor. I don't know. But I do know that "we're slightly closer to civilization" stand address even a tiny bit of what SBH outlined. Send like, at best, we have a very, very slight advantage in an area in which both Ohio and Miami are at a disadvantage.

OhioCatFan wrote:

If you think Cromer is looking out for OHIO as her first priority, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.


You and rpbobcat have been whining about Cromer at every possible opportunity, and this narrative that she cares more about her career than Ohio University is something you all talk about, but that makes no sense at all. Cromer's career trajectory will be directly proportional to how good of a job she does at OU. The idea that she's selling us out for some big job in the future -- or whatever nonsense you're implying -- is just plain silly. Unless, can you provide any evidence that goes beyond your feelings?

OhioCatFan wrote:

I’d prefer to have an AD whose focus was on raising the necessary funds to compete in this new landscape, even if it required hiring SBH as an assistant AD in charge of the Bobcat Hard Love Campaign that would target deep pocket alumni and friends with his unique brand of positive guilt fundraising.


Just because you think Cromer's focus is on her own career, doesn't mean it's accurate. What's your evidence that she's not focused on raising money?

SBH seems to put the blame on alums for not giving. Do you think Cromer has forgotten to ask? The University certainly seems to know how to track me down.

Last Edited: 10/20/2024 1:30:26 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 2:40:46 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 2:50:19 PM 
I don’t know how to judge our AD’s performance and whether the theory that’s she’s mostly interested in her next job. I’d love to see an objective look at how’s she done here, among other thing 1: how have her hires done, 2: how are the financials doing, 3:what specific programs, projects, initiatives , etc has she been responsible for and what are the results, 4:what has she done to get/keep the students involved , 5:how’s she done on scheduling, 6:how are we doing in our overall sports programs (even looking at all sports standings), 7:how are the grades of the athletes doing (APR), 7: specific fundraising results.

I’ve not seen enough or have not spent enough time looking at such things to be able to evaluate her job performance. Maybe that’s all been put out there somewhere, I’m not just aware of it and am certainly not in the loop anywhere.

Honestly, if she can prove success in most of these areas I’ve thought of ( nowhere close to exhaustive or meaningful list), I hope she’s able to get a better job someplace else, that’s most people’s professional wish I would think. If however, she gets a better job because of her connections (networking), no great loss.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 2:51:57 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

I’ve seen some recent info that Miami’s (739mil)is now above ours(714 mil)but our data always seem to be late in coming out. They were over 100mil behind only 2-3 years ago.

Last Edited: 10/20/2024 2:55:22 PM by colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 3:08:55 PM 
Well, said, SBH. I was there for the Chaddock + Morrow celebration this past Friday night to help celebrate their 25 Million Dollar Endowment to Ohio Univerity to support the Fine Arts Department. The place was packed with enthusiastic and grateful students, faculty, administrators and even alumni. Chaddock, who was a communication major back in the 1980's and who made his fortune on Wall Street by doubling down on Apple talked about the feeling of support that he found while here at Ohio University to the point of feeling a debt of gratitude to the University itself, which he keeps giving back to.

By the way, the Fine Arts Profession is no less competitive than the Sports Business, and just as reliant on Team Work to develop success in life. It was an interesting contrast to the constant complaints on this Web site from most of us, though I do have to admit that if the Fine Arts Department had a Message Board like this, it too would have a lot of negativity thrown around as well.

Thanks for the reminder of the importance of being a good ambassador for the University and the community of Athens and how regardless of what plays out on the football field, there is far more to Ohio University than the success of their Sports Program. In fact, those complaining about such should probably look in the mirror and ask themselves why they have not been successful enough in life to flood the Athletic Department with program changing wealth.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 5:30:20 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

I’ve seen some recent info that Miami’s (739mil)is now above ours(714 mil)but our data always seem to be late in coming out. They were over 100mil behind only 2-3 years ago.


The deal here is a lot of OU endowment money was spent out on the new buildings for Russ and the Heritage College. Hence why the totals have slipped.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 5:50:21 PM 
TWT wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

I’ve seen some recent info that Miami’s (739mil)is now above ours(714 mil)but our data always seem to be late in coming out. They were over 100mil behind only 2-3 years ago.


The deal here is a lot of OU endowment money was spent out on the new buildings for Russ and the Heritage College. Hence why the totals have slipped.


I had no idea that they used endowments for buildings, I figured they sold bonds
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 6:05:10 PM 
I went to their graduation last December (know somebody that finished a master's there) and didn't find Oxford to be much at all. There was almost nowhere for the family to go eat afterwards. The only coffee place open in what they actually have the nerve to call "uptown" was Starbucks. Not a single indy coffee place open in a college town. The arena was a little more kept up than the Convo but it also holds 4,000 less people so it should be easier to spruce up. Traffic in and out of the graduation was a nightmare.

Getting to Athens from Cbus or Parkersburg is a piece of cake compared to the miserable drive on 127 from the north toward Oxford. It sucks.

I'll take Athens over Oxford any day of the week.

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   Posted: 10/20/2024 7:21:46 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
TWT wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

I’ve seen some recent info that Miami’s (739mil)is now above ours(714 mil)but our data always seem to be late in coming out. They were over 100mil behind only 2-3 years ago.


The deal here is a lot of OU endowment money was spent out on the new buildings for Russ and the Heritage College. Hence why the totals have slipped.


I had no idea that they used endowments for buildings, I figured they sold bonds


The university is currently using 50 million from the Patton gift for an arts education center as discussed in Ohio Today. This was the big performing arts gift Glidden was trying to track down for the university 20 years ago but didn't think it would ever be realistic to find the money.

For another college university years ago made a decision to tear down the old CSC building and it still waiting for the business college to find a gift to build something on that spot.

Dorms and dorm renovations the university has gone the bond route for those.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/20/2024 11:00:00 PM 
TWT wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

I’ve seen some recent info that Miami’s (739mil)is now above ours(714 mil)but our data always seem to be late in coming out. They were over 100mil behind only 2-3 years ago.


The deal here is a lot of OU endowment money was spent out on the new buildings for Russ and the Heritage College. Hence why the totals have slipped.


I don't know about the Russ Engineering Research Building (old HDL Center, which is the Old main McBee production plant), but it's my understanding that no endowment funds of the university were used for the new Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine building. I think what's maybe confusing you is funds were used from the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation's endowment for the new med school building. This is not part of the university's endowment, but a completely separate endowment that has been used for many med school projects, as well as other philanthropic ventures.

FYI: Most of the funds for the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation's endowment have come from the disposition of various assets related to selling of old osteopathic hospitals. The Ohio osteopathic profession at one time maintained a network of about 15 hospitals around the State of Ohio. But, when D.O.s became fully recognized by the allopathic profession in the latter part of the last century, and osteopathic graduates started to take residencies in allopathic hospitals and were given practice rights in those hospitals, the rationale for maintaining a separate hospital system was no longer credible. Thus, the closing and sale of these hospitals. It is this growing acceptance of the osteopathic profession that has led to such affiliations as the OU-HCOM Cleveland campus being affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic.

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   Posted: 10/21/2024 12:03:02 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
TWT wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
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OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

I’ve seen some recent info that Miami’s (739mil)is now above ours(714 mil)but our data always seem to be late in coming out. They were over 100mil behind only 2-3 years ago.


The deal here is a lot of OU endowment money was spent out on the new buildings for Russ and the Heritage College. Hence why the totals have slipped.


I don't know about the Russ Engineering Research Building (old HDL Center, which is the Old main McBee production plant), but it's my understanding that no endowment funds of the university were used for the new Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine building. I think what's maybe confusing you is funds were used from the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation's endowment for the new med school building. This is not part of the university's endowment, but a completely separate endowment that has been used for many med school projects, as well as other philanthropic ventures.

FYI: Most of the funds for the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation's endowment have come from the disposition of various assets related to selling of old osteopathic hospitals. The Ohio osteopathic profession at one time maintained a network of about 15 hospitals around the State of Ohio. But, when D.O.s became fully recognized by the allopathic profession in the latter part of the last century, and osteopathic graduates started to take residencies in allopathic hospitals and were given practice rights in those hospitals, the rationale for maintaining a separate hospital system was no longer credible. Thus, the closing and sale of these hospitals. It is this growing acceptance of the osteopathic profession that has led to such affiliations as the OU-HCOM Cleveland campus being affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic.


The endowment totals included those very generous Russ, HCOM and Patton gifts. The university is also is spending 25 million a year from the endowment to support scholarships. I do believe the Hertiage gift was counted in the endowment numbers at one point but now no longer. The endowment totals are gifts in money spent out and so for the last couple of years the reported number has trended lower because of spending. General giving in recent years has hovered in the 35-45 million range per year when I last viewed the numbers so there isn't a drop off. Its the cycle of spending out the larger gifts which is causing a relative dip.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/21/2024 9:57:16 AM 
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If you really studied the recruiting situation in the MAC, you would be damned impressed that we can attract ANY premier talent to our little school in the middle of nowhere. I encourage you to visit Oxford to tour some of the amenities they have developed for student athletes. I can't imagine any of their top recruiting targets would choose our school.

Let's also examine the two cities: I never willingly pay for parking, so I often walk a mile (or more) to games. I walked almost two miles through Oxford yesterday - it was Parents Day, so parking was tight. I was very surprised to not find student slums surrounding the campus. Their off-campus housing was mostly attractive and well cared for. And their fans were respectful and kind. I passed dozens of front-porch parties and never once did I hear "OU sucks!" How impressed Miami parents must be when they attend games in Athens and are greeted with "F*&K Miami!"

Meanwhile, we can brag that more of our fans attend games. But the truth is, our fan base does not adequately support our programs and student-athletes - not by a long shot. As I wrote in a separate thread, when Ohio alums are asked to join the Ohio Bobcat Club, they VERY often reply with something like: "Why should I do that? I only go down there for Homecoming," or "I don't like our schedule this year," or "I hate the coach," etc." A friend of mine refused to join at the $99 level because he is still angry at a journalism prof.

Bottom line, way too many of us come to Athens and Ohio University to EXTRACT everything we can from the experience. But when the university asks for something back, we come up with countless excuses. We all claim to love OU, but we don't really - we love the memories, the debauchery, the friendships. Very many of us dishonor the institution through our lack of financial support.

Miami alums talk about "love and honor." We brag about the fun we had on Court Street.


Sorry SBH, this is the most nauseating drivel I've ever read on here. Bobcat goes to Oxford and comes away starry-eyed and in-love, you should honestly be ashamed of yourself. You actually said with a straight face you can't understand why any recruit would choose Oxford over Athens. Have you gone mad? You even made a positive reference to "love and honor" for God's sake. Sorry, that is just a pointless catchphrase with no real soul and conviction behind it.

Nobody said Ohio sucks to you? Probably because nobody knew there was even a game. And your walking tour sounds lovely...It's no secret the average Miami student has a bit more of a budget for rent from Mom & Dad. So what? They can keep their crate & barrel furnished front porches that you were so impressed by, we do just fine with hand me down couches from the eighties.

Sure, it is upsetting when fellow alums do not support financially and I don't know all the details of endowments or whatever...I can only go by what I've seen in my 24 years as a student/alum. Miami folks don't actually give a crap about their school, ever. I have met countless Miami grads and the best they can do is maybe a T-shirt and a couple faded memories from a campus they haven't visited in a decade. Sure we have plenty of those types ourselves, but to compare the two isn't even close. We truly have the love for and honor in our school unlike any other program in the MAC, and for good reason. Athens simply can not be beat.

Sorry to your new classy friends, but I'm still gonna greet them to Athens with Muck Fiami. Thanks to greencat for being the only one to stick up for ourselves, on our own damn message board of all places.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sorry but Miami doesn't suck. We (as fans/alums) suck.
   Posted: 10/21/2024 10:44:42 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
SBH wrote:
If you really studied the recruiting situation in the MAC, you would be damned impressed that we can attract ANY premier talent to our little school in the middle of nowhere. I encourage you to visit Oxford to tour some of the amenities they have developed for student athletes. I can't imagine any of their top recruiting targets would choose our school.

Let's also examine the two cities: I never willingly pay for parking, so I often walk a mile (or more) to games. I walked almost two miles through Oxford yesterday - it was Parents Day, so parking was tight. I was very surprised to not find student slums surrounding the campus. Their off-campus housing was mostly attractive and well cared for. And their fans were respectful and kind. I passed dozens of front-porch parties and never once did I hear "OU sucks!" How impressed Miami parents must be when they attend games in Athens and are greeted with "F*&K Miami!"

Meanwhile, we can brag that more of our fans attend games. But the truth is, our fan base does not adequately support our programs and student-athletes - not by a long shot. As I wrote in a separate thread, when Ohio alums are asked to join the Ohio Bobcat Club, they VERY often reply with something like: "Why should I do that? I only go down there for Homecoming," or "I don't like our schedule this year," or "I hate the coach," etc." A friend of mine refused to join at the $99 level because he is still angry at a journalism prof.

Bottom line, way too many of us come to Athens and Ohio University to EXTRACT everything we can from the experience. But when the university asks for something back, we come up with countless excuses. We all claim to love OU, but we don't really - we love the memories, the debauchery, the friendships. Very many of us dishonor the institution through our lack of financial support.

Miami alums talk about "love and honor." We brag about the fun we had on Court Street.


Sorry SBH, this is the most nauseating drivel I've ever read on here. Bobcat goes to Oxford and comes away starry-eyed and in-love, you should honestly be ashamed of yourself. You actually said with a straight face you can't understand why any recruit would choose Oxford over Athens. Have you gone mad? You even made a positive reference to "love and honor" for God's sake. Sorry, that is just a pointless catchphrase with no real soul and conviction behind it.

Nobody said Ohio sucks to you? Probably because nobody knew there was even a game. And your walking tour sounds lovely...It's no secret the average Miami student has a bit more of a budget for rent from Mom & Dad. So what? They can keep their crate & barrel furnished front porches that you were so impressed by, we do just fine with hand me down couches from the eighties.

Sure, it is upsetting when fellow alums do not support financially and I don't know all the details of endowments or whatever...I can only go by what I've seen in my 24 years as a student/alum. Miami folks don't actually give a crap about their school, ever. I have met countless Miami grads and the best they can do is maybe a T-shirt and a couple faded memories from a campus they haven't visited in a decade. Sure we have plenty of those types ourselves, but to compare the two isn't even close. We truly have the love for and honor in our school unlike any other program in the MAC, and for good reason. Athens simply can not be beat.

Sorry to your new classy friends, but I'm still gonna greet them to Athens with Muck Fiami. Thanks to greencat for being the only one to stick up for ourselves, on our own damn message board of all places.


I had a whole thing ready to be typed and you said it all perfectly well. I can be two things at once: A Bobcat fan to my dying breath and someone who appreciates other colleges. Miami is a beautiful campus with a fantastic resume of former coaches and athletes. It is a top-notch educational setting. But I agree that their fans suck as fans unless it is convenient. Take a ride down there for a MACtion game. I went 2 years ago when we beat them on a Tuesday night. There were 10 fans on the home side and 50 or more OU fans. Don't be fooled by Parent's Weekend crowds or crowds there to see Sean McVay accept a meaningless statue. I went to OU-Miami basketball last year and I swear their fans were asleep. I personally sat near a whole section looking at the jerseys (It was Charlie Coles jersey night) they had and they literally left them at their seats. They were saying, "I don't know who this Coles guy is but I don't need this." I took their jerseys because I respect the heck out of Charlie Coles more than seeing his name become beer-soaked. I have since shared those jerseys with my MAC buddies (one from Kent, two from BG, who respect traditions as well).That is the difference between the two fanbases. We are passionate, loving through thick and thin and respectful of traditions. Miami sports fans care about hockey and their other teams when it is convenient. You are entitled to your opinion but don't base it on platitudes you discover after one weekend in Oxford.
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   Posted: 10/21/2024 10:50:09 AM 
Still time to delete this thread...WTF?!
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   Posted: 10/21/2024 11:06:02 AM 
TWT wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
TWT wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


One advantage we do have, and perhaps don’t take advantage of enough, is that it is a heck of a lot easier to get to Athens from the outside world than it is to get to Oxford. It takes my wife all of 1:15 to get from our home on the south side of Athens to her frequent women’s high school classmate get-togethers in Bexley. Seemingly, there would be more opportunities than we are taking advantage of to lure alumni back to Athens from Cowtown with various promotionals.


I would kind of assume the opposite. Oxford is 45 minutes from Cincinnati. We're an hour and 15 minutes from. . .Bexley.

Sure, we're closer to Columbus, but I'm not sure the extra 30 minutes means all that much financially.

Given Cincy, my guess is people think of Oxford as less remote.

OhioCatFan wrote:

Our AD, on this, and many other things, is an asleep at the switch. To be fair, so have been many of her predecessors. As rpbobcat has pointed out, she seems more concerned with making a name for herself in national NCAA circles than actually delivering for OHIO. But, the blame for our lackadaisical attitude goes right to the top, and isn’t just a problem at the AD level.


As for this, we're in the midst of the single largest shift in the college athletics landscape that's ever occurred. Only our weird, insular alumni base could possibly find a way to construe it as a bad thing that our AD is part of those conversations.

We're missing the Forrest for the trees. At the moment, I'm not even sure anybody can articulate what Ohio Athletics will be in 5 years, what level we're going to be competing at, or what we'll need to be funding. But we're still, for some reason, obsessed with "keeping up". We don't even know what we're building or the rules of the game, but just seem to be driven by a very vague idea of "keeping up".

For what reason?


Unless memory is failing me, at least until possibly recently, OU's endowment fund topped Miami's.

I’ve seen some recent info that Miami’s (739mil)is now above ours(714 mil)but our data always seem to be late in coming out. They were over 100mil behind only 2-3 years ago.


The deal here is a lot of OU endowment money was spent out on the new buildings for Russ and the Heritage College. Hence why the totals have slipped.


I don't know about the Russ Engineering Research Building (old HDL Center, which is the Old main McBee production plant), but it's my understanding that no endowment funds of the university were used for the new Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine building. I think what's maybe confusing you is funds were used from the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation's endowment for the new med school building. This is not part of the university's endowment, but a completely separate endowment that has been used for many med school projects, as well as other philanthropic ventures.

FYI: Most of the funds for the Osteopathic Heritage Foundation's endowment have come from the disposition of various assets related to selling of old osteopathic hospitals. The Ohio osteopathic profession at one time maintained a network of about 15 hospitals around the State of Ohio. But, when D.O.s became fully recognized by the allopathic profession in the latter part of the last century, and osteopathic graduates started to take residencies in allopathic hospitals and were given practice rights in those hospitals, the rationale for maintaining a separate hospital system was no longer credible. Thus, the closing and sale of these hospitals. It is this growing acceptance of the osteopathic profession that has led to such affiliations as the OU-HCOM Cleveland campus being affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic.


The endowment totals included those very generous Russ, HCOM and Patton gifts. The university is also is spending 25 million a year from the endowment to support scholarships. I do believe the Hertiage gift was counted in the endowment numbers at one point but now no longer. The endowment totals are gifts in money spent out and so for the last couple of years the reported number has trended lower because of spending. General giving in recent years has hovered in the 35-45 million range per year when I last viewed the numbers so there isn't a drop off. Its the cycle of spending out the larger gifts which is causing a relative dip.


The Osteopathic Heritage Foundations have not made just one big gift to OU-HCOM, but many over an extended period of time. I'm not sure how many of these have been funneled through the OU Foundation and how many have just gone directly to the med school.

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   Posted: 10/21/2024 12:27:20 PM 
Yeahhhh, there's very little about Miami athletics or Miami athletics culture that has me jealous. I'll give them they probably have better locker rooms, IPF, and weight room, but Yager is whatever and Millett blows (though at least it has a practice gym).

Good for them they have a nationally ranked softball program, but I don't think that's doing more for them than we had a nationally ranked volleyball program. They used to have a great hockey program, but that diverts fan attention from basketball where a school like Miami can make more of a name for itself.

Would I have liked a few MAC football championships? Sure. But which football program and culture would I rather have over the last 20 years? It's no comparison. What have their championships gotten them? A trip to the CFP? No. A trip to the Orange Bowl? No. Near-capacity crowds every other Saturday? Trololololol. Hell I'd argue us beating Iowa State at home on a beautiful September Saturday weighs more on our fans than a MAC championship did for their fans. They had 9,000 fans at their Homecoming. A bigger crowd at a Miami basketball game is an average crowd for an Ohio exhibition.

Wonderful no one gave you the business in Oxford. How many of those porch parties packed it up and headed to the game? I know not everyone at Ohio is into MAC sports, but at least when I come to town, the campus area is usually buzzing about there being a home football game, and I haven't even been to a homecoming in 15 years.

Has anyone ever actually witnessed our student fans excessively hostile to visiting fans? I've never seen anything that crossed a line. Have we turned into Marshall fans behind my back?

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   Posted: 10/21/2024 5:31:56 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Yeahhhh, there's very little about Miami athletics or Miami athletics culture that has me jealous. I'll give them they probably have better locker rooms, IPF, and weight room, but Yager is whatever and Millett blows (though at least it has a practice gym).

Good for them they have a nationally ranked softball program, but I don't think that's doing more for them than we had a nationally ranked volleyball program. They used to have a great hockey program, but that diverts fan attention from basketball where a school like Miami can make more of a name for itself.

Would I have liked a few MAC football championships? Sure. But which football program and culture would I rather have over the last 20 years? It's no comparison. What have their championships gotten them? A trip to the CFP? No. A trip to the Orange Bowl? No. Near-capacity crowds every other Saturday? Trololololol. Hell I'd argue us beating Iowa State at home on a beautiful September Saturday weighs more on our fans than a MAC championship did for their fans. They had 9,000 fans at their Homecoming. A bigger crowd at a Miami basketball game is an average crowd for an Ohio exhibition.

Wonderful no one gave you the business in Oxford. How many of those porch parties packed it up and headed to the game? I know not everyone at Ohio is into MAC sports, but at least when I come to town, the campus area is usually buzzing about there being a home football game, and I haven't even been to a homecoming in 15 years.

Has anyone ever actually witnessed our student fans excessively hostile to visiting fans? I've never seen anything that crossed a line. Have we turned into Marshall fans behind my back?


I'd rather have had a couple of league titles, thank you very much.

If you want to discount the value of modern facilities, that's your right. But I urge you to ask our coaches if they consistently lose recruits to Miami because of our perceived lack of investment.

Tell you what, pick up the phone and make a donation to Ohio Athletics for the planned/much needed facelift of our football locker room. Miami's got amenities that are light years beyond ours. Our locker room by comparison is dark, dank and worn out. Right or not, players (and their parents) care about this.

If you're not willing to give back - and only care about what the department and university give to you - then STFU.

As for the comparison of cities, my criticism stands: Athens has done a pathetic job of policing the slumlords who own property surrounding our campus. Students and their parents care about this as well.




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   Posted: 10/21/2024 7:02:18 PM 
SBH wrote:


If you want to discount the value of modern facilities, that's your right. But I urge you to ask our coaches if they consistently lose recruits to Miami because of our perceived lack of investment.

Tell you what, pick up the phone and make a donation to Ohio Athletics for the planned/much needed facelift of our football locker room. Miami's got amenities that are light years beyond ours. Our locker room by comparison is dark, dank and worn out. Right or not, players (and their parents) care about this.


Don't think there's any question that players care about this and it matters. It's where they're spending huge amounts of time, and everybody would prefer to spend time in a nice facility instead of a crappy one.

I do wonder if it will matter as much in the current state of college athletics though. The facilities arms race unquestionably grew as a result of their being limited ways to spend the money otherwise. With the ability to spend directly on players, I do wonder if facilities will carry the same importance going forward.

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   Posted: 10/22/2024 12:25:26 PM 
This topic hits on alumni support/giving. Nationwide, only 8% of alumni donate to their alma mater. Of that 8%, approximately 14% contribute to athletics. That figure can be skewed though because of required giving for seats. Giving to a college or university is generally correlated with the level of involvement alumni had while students. In areas where Greek life is on the decline, that doesn't bode well for giving in 20 to 40 years.
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   Posted: 10/22/2024 10:08:02 PM 
SBH wrote:
shabamon wrote:
Yeahhhh, there's very little about Miami athletics or Miami athletics culture that has me jealous. I'll give them they probably have better locker rooms, IPF, and weight room, but Yager is whatever and Millett blows (though at least it has a practice gym).

Good for them they have a nationally ranked softball program, but I don't think that's doing more for them than we had a nationally ranked volleyball program. They used to have a great hockey program, but that diverts fan attention from basketball where a school like Miami can make more of a name for itself.

Would I have liked a few MAC football championships? Sure. But which football program and culture would I rather have over the last 20 years? It's no comparison. What have their championships gotten them? A trip to the CFP? No. A trip to the Orange Bowl? No. Near-capacity crowds every other Saturday? Trololololol. Hell I'd argue us beating Iowa State at home on a beautiful September Saturday weighs more on our fans than a MAC championship did for their fans. They had 9,000 fans at their Homecoming. A bigger crowd at a Miami basketball game is an average crowd for an Ohio exhibition.

Wonderful no one gave you the business in Oxford. How many of those porch parties packed it up and headed to the game? I know not everyone at Ohio is into MAC sports, but at least when I come to town, the campus area is usually buzzing about there being a home football game, and I haven't even been to a homecoming in 15 years.

Has anyone ever actually witnessed our student fans excessively hostile to visiting fans? I've never seen anything that crossed a line. Have we turned into Marshall fans behind my back?


I'd rather have had a couple of league titles, thank you very much.

If you want to discount the value of modern facilities, that's your right. But I urge you to ask our coaches if they consistently lose recruits to Miami because of our perceived lack of investment.

Tell you what, pick up the phone and make a donation to Ohio Athletics for the planned/much needed facelift of our football locker room. Miami's got amenities that are light years beyond ours. Our locker room by comparison is dark, dank and worn out. Right or not, players (and their parents) care about this.

If you're not willing to give back - and only care about what the department and university give to you - then STFU.

As for the comparison of cities, my criticism stands: Athens has done a pathetic job of policing the slumlords who own property surrounding our campus. Students and their parents care about this as well.






100% and I’ll add, walk across campus and pay attention to the upkeep of the grounds and the buildings.
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   Posted: 10/22/2024 10:11:37 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
SBH wrote:


If you want to discount the value of modern facilities, that's your right. But I urge you to ask our coaches if they consistently lose recruits to Miami because of our perceived lack of investment.

Tell you what, pick up the phone and make a donation to Ohio Athletics for the planned/much needed facelift of our football locker room. Miami's got amenities that are light years beyond ours. Our locker room by comparison is dark, dank and worn out. Right or not, players (and their parents) care about this.


Don't think there's any question that players care about this and it matters. It's where they're spending huge amounts of time, and everybody would prefer to spend time in a nice facility instead of a crappy one.

I do wonder if it will matter as much in the current state of college athletics though. The facilities arms race unquestionably grew as a result of their being limited ways to spend the money otherwise. With the ability to spend directly on players, I do wonder if facilities will carry the same importance going forward.



If a dollar equals a dollar, then it comes to opportunities and amminities. The program that offers the same dollar but less frills, has a disadvantage. We have that disadvantage, and not sure how well we are going to do on the NIL front.
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